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Moskva's GPS coordinates were given to the Ukrainians by foreign powers with satellites overlooking the Black Sea. The Ukrainians are also getting solid weapons, intelligence, and special forces' support from Western powers. So the direct participation of NATO and its allies in this war is pretty much obvious.

Now, would it become a World War III? It remains to be seen, but the West's direct participation in this conflict is there.
Right, but there is a clear delineation of the escalation level associated with providing intelligence/materiel/logistical support to one side versus actively participating in a conflict on their behalf.

The United States understands this, which is why it did not retaliate against the USSR or China when the two countries extended military aid to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
 

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Slipping into a war of attrition, the consequences will be dire for the world especially EU in the coming months and even years.

Due to disruption all these are leading to food supplies and energy shortages.

High inflation has hit most EU states and many citizens in these states are slipping into poverty.

Without welfare programs in place which in any case these givernment can't afford, the final loser won't be Russia but the European themselves.

That is why many EU nations suddenly waking up and understand why China, India, etc abstained in the UN.

Their National Security interests which include Food supplies and Energy comes first.
 

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EU Warns Members That Paying Rubles For Gas Would Violate Sanctions​

By ZeroHedge - Apr 15, 2022, 1:30 PM CDT

An internal European Commission note, the contents of which has come to light and is being reported for the first time on Thursday, has spelled out that European buyers agreeing to pay for Russian gas in roubles would be violating EU sanctions against Moscow.

"This mechanism would lead to a breach of the existing EU restrictive measures adopted in respect of Russia, its government, the Central Bank of Russia, and their proxies," Reuters reports of decrees in the internal note after reviewing its contents.

It threatens to further escalate the energy standoff which has ensued after Vladimir Putin demanded payment for Russian gas in roubles by "unfriendly countries" which have leveled sanctions on Russia in the wake of the Feb.24 Ukraine invasion - the exemptions given to Austria and Hungary of late notwithstanding.

According to more from the internal memo:

The EU buyer would still pay Gazprombank in the contract currency - euros or dollars - but the purchase would only be complete once Gazprombank exchanges the currency into roubles in a deal with the Russian central bank, and deposits the roubles in the second account, the note said.

The memo underscores, "The effect ... is that a payment is completed not in the currency established under the contract at the moment it is deposited in the accounts ... but rather only at an unknown and undefined moment once the foreign currency ... is converted into roubles and credited to the second special account."

The European Commission wrote further, "The Russian State, through its central bank, has total control over the foreign currency... which it can manipulate entirely to its own benefit."

Essentially the commission ruling on the matter would make Putin's rouble stipulation completely off limits for individual European countries and entities, especially as the process would involve Russia overseeing the whole payment process.

Meanwhile, on Thursday Putin addressed the crisis in fresh statements. "Attempts by Western countries to squeeze out Russian suppliers and replace our energy resources with alternative supplies will inevitably affect the entire world economy. The consequences of such a step can become very painful, and first of all, for the initiators of such a policy themselves. What is surprising here is that our so-called partners from unfriendly countries admit that they cannot do without Russian energy resources, including natural gas, for example."

He talked about reorienting "our exports to the fast-growing markets of the south and east..." and warned Europe at the same time:

"A reasonable alternative for Europe simply doesn’t exist. Yes, it's possible, but right now, it doesn’t exist. Everyone understands this; there are simply no free volumes on the global market right now, and supplies from other countries — primarily from the United States, which can be sent to Europe — will cost consumers many times more and will affect the standard of living of people and the competitiveness of the European economy,” Putin said.

He also addressed instances of payment failures and delays...

"Banks from unfriendly countries delay the transfer of payments. I will remind you, the task has already been set to transfer payments for energy resources in national currency, to gradually move away from the dollar and the euro. In general, we intend to radically increase the share of settlements in national currencies in the foreign trade system," Putin said.

Thus, given the contents in this latest European Commission note, it looks as if there's no off-ramp and the energy standoff will continue. At the same time Putin is touting that Russia still has 'friends' and thus greater options in the east and south, without doubt including India and China.

There you have it :)

A reasonable alternative for Europe simply doesn’t exist. I will remind you, the task has already been set to transfer payments for energy resources in national currency, to gradually move away from the dollar and the euro
 

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Wait, is Medvedev admitting that the Moskva was sunk by Ukrainian missiles?

I thought the official Russian story was that it was an accidental ammo fire.
Then why are the Ukrainian Neptune batteries not firing at other Russian warships as well?

These are mere words of war which neither side can proved nor need to prove.

Russia is trying to prove US clandestine role and involvement in the Ukrainian conflict and drawing them directly in.
 
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Right, but there is a clear delineation of the escalation level associated with providing intelligence/materiel/logistical support to one side versus actively participating in a conflict on their behalf.

The United States understands this, which is why it did not retaliate against the USSR or China when the two countries extended military aid to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.


Vietnam wasn't an existential threat to USA as Ukraine is to Russia. The Vietnamese people wanted to free themselves from the French colonialists. And after they threw them out, America intervened. The whole communist expansion was a wrong excuse. America and its allies had no business of getting themselves involved in that conflict in the first place.

The West did the same thing in Angola in a smaller scale. When Angolans threw the Portuguese out, apartheid South Africa, backed by Western powers, intervened, and the conflict was going on for decades.

So in this current conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Russia can't withdraw like US did from Vietnam. They had to stay in and protect the Russian speaking people in Donbas, and since Ukraine is determined to get this land and Crimea back with the backing of the West, Russians may be forced to use whatever means in their disposal against Ukraine and its backers. We're in World War III whether we accept it or not, and Russians have no choice but to pursue this to the end.
 
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There you have it :)

A reasonable alternative for Europe simply doesn’t exist. I will remind you, the task has already been set to transfer payments for energy resources in national currency, to gradually move away from the dollar and the euro

EU nations in compliance that needs Russian Gas badly will simply have to find a way to circumvent the sanctions.

That is why they are depositing the payment in Euro to Gasprom Bank but the catch is, the oil transaction can only be executed only after these Euro are converted to Ruble as per Russian President decree in Gasprom Bank.

Germany the biggest user for one is challenging the legality. It is like shooting oneself in the foot in the process.

News Medias are reporting that most Germans are unhappy.
 

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There you have it :)

A reasonable alternative for Europe simply doesn’t exist. I will remind you, the task has already been set to transfer payments for energy resources in national currency, to gradually move away from the dollar and the euro
It does and that is to leave EU just like Brexit or gets kicked out.

Many EU nations are mulling this alternative.

But is Brussels preparing to take this route that will lead to the breakup of the Union?
 
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What's to prove when the US is openly saying they are shipping weapons to Ukraine? As is almost every other NATO country.
That is why Russia has issued an official warning that this action to supply weapons diectly to Ukraine will have serious consequences a few days ago.

The new US Administration don't seems to understand international protocol and diplomcy.

The US State Department, etc appeared and behave like rookies and a runaway wagon unlike the era of JFK where it was still much safer for the rest of the world.

They have a President that only has a 32% job rating.

Imagine after insulting and calling Russian President Putin said a butcher but still did not send in the US Calvary into Ukraine.

That is not USA.
 

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That is why Russia has issued an official warning that this action to supply weapons diectly to Ukraine will have serious consequences a few days ago.

Russia has been issuing these warnings since day one. Russia also said they would invade Sweden and Finland if they joined NATO. Now Russia is stepping back the threat to saying they will respond by putting nuclear weapons in Balkan area.

Russia knows that any conflict with NATO will have to go nuclear. Russia simply cannot fight NATO in a conventional war.
 

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The Russian central bank reaffirmed their commitment to a floating Ruble to be determined by market force.

Russia has imposed foreign exchange controls to support liquidity.

But still subscrive to preserving market pricing principles and a rouble exchange rated determined by the market, the bank's first deputy governor said on Friday.
 

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Russia has been issuing these warnings since day one. Russia also said they would invade Sweden and Finland if they joined NATO. Now Russia is stepping back the threat to saying they will respond by putting nuclear weapons in Balkan area.

Russia knows that any conflict with NATO will have to go nuclear. Russia simply cannot fight NATO in a conventional war.


There is a difference and one need to learn to filter the non essentials of these statements.

This one is a firm WARNING not Jen Psaki nor Jen Stoltenberg rhetorics.

EU unlike the US faraway is not taking this lightly unlike the tge gregarious and mindless Americans who lived far away as it may ended up with the EU in nuclear flame. Just one push of a button away.

Is NATO prepared to take the road?

Then why not send NATO troops into Ukraine now.
 
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