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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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Pakistani generals are best at filling their pockets and getting big mansions build abroad and home since like eygptians they believe that they will take these big mansions to heaven with them
Our generals are smart they won't let such an opportunity to make money for their retirement
Russia has defined it's objectives ..I e take donbass call it a day and negotiate ukriane neutrality..
If west refuses to that take ukriane in stage II by force
It initially planned to take all ukriane and install puppet govt
War is business and is an opportunity to make money
Pakistani generals are best at filling their pockets and getting big mansions build abroad and home since like eygptians they believe that they will take these big mansions to heaven with them
The fact that u don't know how smart Pakistani generals are shows what's the problem with Pakistani public..
Our generals are smart they won't let such an opportunity to make money for their retirement
Russia has defined it's objectives ..I e take donbass call it a day and negotiate ukriane neutrality..
If west refuses to that take ukriane in stage II by force
It initially planned to take all ukriane and install puppet govt
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The fact that Russia didn't use them until long after the war started is highly suspicious.
Initially, Iran denied ever selling the drones in the first place, so we have no reason to trust Iran's narrative.
also, Iran does have a history of faking weapons programs, but when it comes to UAVs I've always thought Iran was and is quite capable.
Again, we both know this. It suits your narrative to deny it, but the truth remains the same.
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Wow, Iranians are bad liars.
Not one piece of my information has been factually incorrect.
There is no reason to respond to the long list of straw man responses by Iranian members.
Iranians on this forum are cheering for/defending Russia (Russia is annexing parts of Ukraine). Therefore on the side of Russia. Yet "Iranians are not supportive of the Russian annexation of Crimea." This is two faced lie. Or Iranians are retarded.
When an indian sexually assaults a woman, that indian going back to the same woman and feeling her up is a continuation of the sexual assault on that woman. Russians continue their genocides of persecuted people they previously genocide. Russians have no right to touch let alone injurer or kill Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Circassians, who were genocided by Russians. There is no time limit to this. When Russians return to killing those they previously genocide, IT IS GENOCIDE. This is divine law.
Those genocided by genociders must be free. There is no time limit on that. And free forever from their genociders. That is ethics. That is morality. Only the barbarians/evil and the evil disagree.
Greeks were subjected to perscutions by Ottomans and demanded freedom. Yet, the Greeks were not genocided or even ethnically cleansed. If you cannot manage a moral empire, then you have no moral privilege to empire. The EU is the path to have an empire, free associations. Leave when you want.
Not one piece of my information has been factually incorrect.
There is no reason to respond to the long list of straw man responses by Iranian members.
Iranians on this forum are cheering for/defending Russia (Russia is annexing parts of Ukraine). Therefore on the side of Russia. Yet "Iranians are not supportive of the Russian annexation of Crimea." This is two faced lie. Or Iranians are retarded.
When an indian sexually assaults a woman, that indian going back to the same woman and feeling her up is a continuation of the sexual assault on that woman. Russians continue their genocides of persecuted people they previously genocide. Russians have no right to touch let alone injurer or kill Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Circassians, who were genocided by Russians. There is no time limit to this. When Russians return to killing those they previously genocide, IT IS GENOCIDE. This is divine law.
Those genocided by genociders must be free. There is no time limit on that. And free forever from their genociders. That is ethics. That is morality. Only the barbarians/evil and the evil disagree.
Greeks were subjected to perscutions by Ottomans and demanded freedom. Yet, the Greeks were not genocided or even ethnically cleansed. If you cannot manage a moral empire, then you have no moral privilege to empire. The EU is the path to have an empire, free associations. Leave when you want.
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Claims such as that Iran supported Russian military operations in Chechnya for instance are plainly counter-factual.
Or the author of the above lines didn't fully get what they read and mixed up different topics.
The Iranian government has not recognized Russia's annexation of Crimea - no need to put this into brackets to suggest it isn't factual because it is. Random Iranian users of an internet forum aren't government spokespersons, they're representing their own individual views.
Equating genocide with other types of crimes represents a potentially dangerous amalgamation. Likewise, to postulate the culpability of a nation at all times is also wrong.
For this reason, whilst the Russian empire's excessive violence in Circassia during the 19th century was entirely unjustified, the present situation in Ukraine is a much more ambiguous one, with responsibility for the ongoing conflict falling on the outside powers read NATO, whose interference provoked the current crisis and the violence.
Be free yes, initiate renewed hostility by collaborating with foreign powers (NATO i.e. USA) to destabilize their neighbor on grounds that the latter oppressed them when it was governed by a different political regime, no.
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Do the genocidal Russian settler colonists get to keep Crimea, get to keep the North Caucasus. Iranians say yes.
Iranians on this forum are opposed to Ukraine winning. Iranians in Iran are opposed to Ukraine winning.
I never lied.
To be in the trying to have it both ways without supporting Ukraine, puts you in the camp of not supporting Ukraine winning and not supporting the defeat of Russia.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF CRIMEAN TATARS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF UKRAINIANS.
So yes, Iranians are bad liars.
My information I posted is 100% factual. Iranians deviously try to bait the conversation with Russian propaganda and then say, Iranians do not support Russia. All the while cheering for Ukraine to lose and NATO Europe to lose. Wanting a Russian-Iran disorder to the globe.
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So, do Iranians want us to believe that Iranians want Russia to lose and then have a new global situation with Russia (we never said that, says Iran, we are neutral yes spouting talking points of Russians).
Or is Iran two faced, trying to have it both ways. As has been known since the General Assembly vote last year.
Iranians on this forum are opposed to Ukraine winning. Iranians in Iran are opposed to Ukraine winning.
I never lied.
To be in the trying to have it both ways without supporting Ukraine, puts you in the camp of not supporting Ukraine winning and not supporting the defeat of Russia.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF CRIMEAN TATARS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF UKRAINIANS.
So yes, Iranians are bad liars.
My information I posted is 100% factual. Iranians deviously try to bait the conversation with Russian propaganda and then say, Iranians do not support Russia. All the while cheering for Ukraine to lose and NATO Europe to lose. Wanting a Russian-Iran disorder to the globe.
Iran, Russia looking for new world order
Iran, Russia looking for new world order
TEHRAN, Jan. 24 (MNA) – Chairman of the Russian State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin has arrived in Tehran and met with Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. In Tehran, talks of a 25-year partnership between Iran and Russia featured high.
So, do Iranians want us to believe that Iranians want Russia to lose and then have a new global situation with Russia (we never said that, says Iran, we are neutral yes spouting talking points of Russians).
Or is Iran two faced, trying to have it both ways. As has been known since the General Assembly vote last year.
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Russians harming Ukrainians is genocide. For Russians are genociders of Ukrainians. Genocide is an eternal crime.
If this war was against Finland, then no it would not be genocide. It would be thousands and perhaps millions of warcrimes.
Circassians, Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians are to be protected from genocidal Russians. That is the MORAL obligation of every innocent human being. So humanity HAS TO SUPPORT UKRAINE.
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Literally the basis of humanity and human decency is the innocent genocided need liberty from their oppressor genociders.
The worst physical violence is genocide.
That is the starting point of morality and ethics of physical human to human interactions. Without that anything goes. Without mankind defending the genocided (Ukrainians)... You have a dark age of barbarism non stop.
Saying don't touch my wife she's mine, goes out the window. Street gang violence is acceptable. The kill or be killed becomes the norm.
So those that believe Russia can/should rule over Chechens, Crimean tatars, Ukrainians, and Circassians have no ethical protection. Have no moral protection.
Iranians not supporting ukraine make themselves equal to Bush Sr and Jr. Perhaps worse, if Iranians continue to defend Russia in light is the facts.
The worst physical violence is genocide.
That is the starting point of morality and ethics of physical human to human interactions. Without that anything goes. Without mankind defending the genocided (Ukrainians)... You have a dark age of barbarism non stop.
Saying don't touch my wife she's mine, goes out the window. Street gang violence is acceptable. The kill or be killed becomes the norm.
So those that believe Russia can/should rule over Chechens, Crimean tatars, Ukrainians, and Circassians have no ethical protection. Have no moral protection.
Iranians not supporting ukraine make themselves equal to Bush Sr and Jr. Perhaps worse, if Iranians continue to defend Russia in light is the facts.
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You're performing two extrapolations here.
1) Amalgamating the views of Iranian users of an internet forum, with Iranian state policy. Passing judgment on Iranian state policy based on comments of Iranian forum users. This is disingenuous. The Iranian government has not recognized Russia's annexation of Crimea, end of story.
2) Trying to present the Iran's recognition of the Russian Federation's territorial integrity as something unique, when in reality there's not a single country in the world which doesn't recognize Northern Caucasus as part of Russia. This is absurd.
No lie detected on the part of Iranians.
No it's not. You claimed Iran backed Russia's military efforts in Chechnya, that's untrue. Claimed Iran is lending support for the purported "persecution" of Crimean Tatars, again a made up contention.
Mixing up topics. Iranian forum users are not government spokespersons.
Iranian policy is clear and has been outlined in my previous posts.
Iran, Russia looking for new world order
Iran, Russia looking for new world order
TEHRAN, Jan. 24 (MNA) – Chairman of the Russian State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin has arrived in Tehran and met with Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. In Tehran, talks of a 25-year partnership between Iran and Russia featured high.
Iran and Russia are cooperating to put an end to unipolar USA dominance. The world has had enough of permanent destabilization and aggression by Washington and its lackeys.
I don't remember stating such a thing.
A government can be non-belligerent in a war, all the while of highlighting where the ultimate political responsibility for the conflict lies. There's no contradiction here at all.
Or is Iran two faced, trying to have it both ways. As has been known since the General Assembly vote last year.
Votes which perfectly reflect Iran's position as described by me earlier. No contradiction with being a non-belligerent.
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Ukraine's plight in the 1930's under a no longer existent USSR does not give Kiev a blank cheque to oppress its Russian-speaking citizens nor to associate itself with NATO in their attempts to destabilize Russia.
Soviet crimes have no bearing on this, nor do far fetched constructs on morality.
Interesting, so no government in the world can lay claim to ethical standards. Because not a single government is disputing Russian sovereignty over Circassia. By your own logic, NATO regimes are no better than the ones you like to rant against.
Yes sure, the Islamic Republic which has never started a war is "worse" than warmongering regimes such as Bush's USA.
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Rishi Sunak warns it will take 'time' to train Ukraine pilots in jets
Pushed on whether the UK would provide jets, Rishi Sunak said 'nothing is off the table' and stressed Britain is now going to start preparing the Ukrainian air force.
What fighter jets could Britain send to Ukraine?
The Prime Minister has asked Defence Secretary Ben Wallace to investigate what jets the UK could potentially give to Kyiv.
Zelensky tells King 'in Ukraine today every air force pilot is a king'
Ukrainian president Zelensky met the King for the first time in an audience at Buckingham Palace after he mentioned the monarch's RAF career in his campaign to get British jets to Ukraine.
HENRY DEEDES watches Zelensky stand as a giant among a sea of pygmies
HENRY DEEDES: Zelensky may like to fashion himself as a man of the people, but he could not have looked more kingly had he been draped tip-to-toe in ermine.
>>> Sunak "It take 3 years to train a fighter pilot"
>>> Zelensky - "we will send you pilots with 2.5 years of training.."
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