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The geopolitical template of the entire European Union is undergoing one of its most profound changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union more than twenty-five years ago. At the June 30 meeting in Ankara of the Turkish-Hungarian Business Forum Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stated that Hungary “stands by its friends” and it is on Turkey’s side in its current war of words with the European Union.

The Hungarian Prime Minister also praised Turkey’s role in preventing a huge further refugee flow into the EU, noting that “Without Turkey Europe would have been flooded with many millions of immigrants,” stating that for this Turkey “deserves respect.” Behind the comments, calculated to enrage the EU and its unelected, faceless bureaucrats, stands far more than the issue of refugees and rights of national sovereignty.

There’s a major tectonic shift underway not only in Hungary but also across the entire Balkans. The shift involves Erdogan’s Turkey and also Putin’s Russia. The outlines of a new Balkans geopolitics are emerging and it’s opening huge fault-lines within the EU between die-hard NATO Atlanticists and pragmatic EU states more keen on economic development and the health and safety of their countries than in defending a bankrupt declining USA Superpower.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán was in Turkey for no casual photo op. He was there to talk business, economic business. He brought with him half of his cabinet and around 70 business leaders to discuss areas of increased bilateral economic cooperation. Orbán also met privately with Turkish President Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim.



Energy Hub for Southeast Europe

Though it was played down in media releases, a central issue discussed in Ankara was the prospect of Russian natural gas imports via Turkey’s Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

With the legally dubious new US sanctions bill targeting European companies investing in the Russian-German Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which would bypass Ukraine, Russia is accelerating its priority to complete construction of its Turkish Stream gas pipeline from the already-built gas pumping station near Anapa in Southern Russia, going beneath the Black Sea, that will pass through Turkey to the Bulgarian and perhaps Greek borders.

The latest incredibly foolish US Congressional sanctions, aiming as well at Iran and North Korea, punish German and Austrian companies investing in the northern EU Nord Stream II pipeline from near St Petersburg, claiming it’s illegal under international law for a US President to sanction companies outside their territorial jurisdiction, legally termed extra-territoriality.

The announcement of new sanctions aimed at Nord Stream II has led Russia to accelerate laying of its Black Sea Turkish Stream line, currently running ahead of plan. Gazprom contractor Swiss Allseas has laid about 15 miles of the pipeline under the Black Sea since May. The first of two parallel pipelines is due to open in March 2018, the second in 1919. The annual capacity of each leg is estimated to reach 15.75 billion cubic meters of natural gas or a total of almost 32 bcm for both.

Here is where things get interesting.

Balkans Joining Turkish Stream


Bulgarian PM Boyko Borisov

In early July, newly elected Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that he intended to sign an agreement on transit of gas from the Russian-Turkish Turkish Stream pipeline. He also signed an agreement with neighbor Serbia, not an EU member– and not likely ever to become one because of her strong ties with Russia among other things. Under the new agreement, Serbia will ultimately receive 10 billion cubic meters of Gazprom Turkish gas.

On June 29 as Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić took the office of Serbian President, Ana Brnabic became Prime Minister. She told Parliament that she would seek a “balanced foreign policy” and her government would especially seek good relations with Russia and China.

Serbia’s new Defense Minister, Alexandar Vulin, was bitterly opposed by Washington among other things for his known pro-Russian orientation. Aleksandar Vučić himself met with Vladimir Putin the week before his election as President and reaffirmed the close relations between Russia and Serbia.

On July 5, Hungary’s government also signed an agreement to receive gas from Turkish stream. Earlier this year Russia’s President went to Budapest where he and Prime Minister Orbán discussed Hungarian participation in Turkish Stream as well as Russian construction of nuclear plants in Hungary.

At the World Oil Congress on July 9-11 in Istanbul Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made clear that Turkey aims to become an energy hub between east and west, north and south. In short all the elements of a major new realignment are coming together between Balkan states, Russia and Turkey.

Turkish Stream

In December 2014 after the Brussels EU Commission, backed by Washington, pressured the Bulgarian government to cancel the agreement to land Gazprom gas via the South Stream pipeline to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, Russian President Putin announced that South Stream was dead. At the same time Russia began negotiations with Turkey on the Turkish Stream alternative.

To avoid punitive EU laws, Gazprom’s Turkish Stream pipeline passing through Turkey will end at the Turkish-Bulgarian border, with the second possibly ending at Lüleburgaz in the Marmara region of Turkey, close to Turkey’s border with Greece. From there it would be up to the purchasing countries to contract their own pipelines and construct them for the use of the Turkish Stream. EU law forbids Gazprom from building and operating its own gas pipelines inside the EU.

The Baltic Shift


Brussels… nameless faceless bureaucrats?

In recent months, as Brussels EU policies become more and more onerous, the countries of eastern Europe, especially Hungary, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have turned their sights eastward to Eurasia and especially Russia and China and their growing infrastructure investments in OBOR and other Eurasian infrastructure networks.

In February 2017 during a visit of Russian President Putin to Budapest, Hungary signed a $17 billion contract with the Rosatom Group, Russia’s state nuclear power company for construction of two reactors at Paks Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear plant in the country. Russia also has 51% stake in a Czech project company, Nuclear Power Alliance, together with Czech Skoda JS that will bid for several planned Czech nuclear plants. The latest Czech national energy plan views nuclear electricity as a safe way to meet EU CO2 emission reduction targets as does Hungary.

The Turkish government has also chosen Russia’s Rosatom to build its first nuclear power plant, the Akkuyu NPP, with four reactors near the Mediterranean in southern Turkey across from Cyprus. The first unit costing $20 billion is being built by a Russian-Turkish consortium together with the Turkish construction group, Cengiz-Kalyon-Kolin (CKK). It will be operational in 2023.

Today, as the USA and most of Western Europe have frozen investment in nuclear power technology and has lost qualified trained manpower, Russia emerges as the world leader in export of nuclear technology with over 60% of the global market.

Areva, Europe’s largest nuclear plant producer based in France has not won a foreign contract since 2007. In the USA Westinghouse, the largest US nuclear plant provider historically, has undergone troubling times to put it mildly. The Pittsburg group’s nuclear power business was sold and today is owned by Japan’s Toshiba group. The Westinghouse nuclear group, which recently contracted to supply four new domestic US plants, their first in thirty years, is plagued by cost overruns and law suits and Westinghouse Electric has been forced to declare bankruptcy. Russia by contrast currently has contracts to build 34 reactors in 13 countries, with an estimated total value of $300 billion. ix


Has Germany “lost its bearings”? Or is it going to wait until the EU implodes and then join Russia?

The significance of these natural gas and nuclear electricity deals by Russia with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey are creating the horror of Washington, a shift of a disillusioned Baltic region from a politically bankrupt Brussels EU and a Germany which has lost its bearings.

Notable in this context is the latest confirmation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the $2.4 billion purchase of several units of the advanced Russia’s S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems, despite fierce efforts by the Trump Administration and by NATO to stop it. The advanced S-400 is considered by military experts as the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet, far more formidable than the US Patriot system that Washington wanted to have Turkey buy.

The fact that now several nations of the Balkans are clearly upgrading their economic relations with Russia and with Turkey underscores the reality of a European Dis-union rather than the promised European Union. The foolish EU Commission decision to take Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland to EU court for rejecting mandatory Brussels refugee quotas has also widened the divide between the EU east and the west.

Top-down political constructions such as today’s EU and all its anti-democratic institutions such as the EU Commission and the European Parliament which stomp on basic national sovereign rights, much like sado-masochistic personal relations, are inherently unviable. As the last quarter century of experience with Washington as the world Sole Superpower since the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrate, Top Dog-Under-Dog is no viable model for healthy peaceful international relations. The hysterical sound of who is most loudly barking says it all.

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”
 
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lol any article praising a dead technology (nuclear power) shows how retarded it is in general.

What do you advocate next? petrolium lamps?
 

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Simply, Russia and Turkey are not welcomed in Balkans.

Russia is only welcomed in Serbia and Bulgaria (partially), while Turkey is welcomed only in Bosnia( 48% Bosnian muslims) and Albania (to be more specific, muslim Albanians).
Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia...simply dont trust Russia and fear them, when Turkey is associated with backwardnes of Ottoman empire and reason for 150 years of late industrialization of Balkan area.
European Union and USA is only real dominant power here. Unfortunately.
 

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Simply, Russia and Turkey are not welcomed in Balkans.

Russia is only welcomed in Serbia and Bulgaria (partially), while Turkey is welcomed only in Bosnia( 48% Bosnian muslims) and Albania (to be more specific, muslim Albanians).
Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia...simply dont trust Russia and fear them, when Turkey is associated with backwardnes of Ottoman empire and reason for 150 years of late industrialization of Balkan area.
European Union and USA is only real dominant power here. Unfortunately.


Ok. EU will only exploit you as slave ants.
 

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Simply, Russia and Turkey are not welcomed in Balkans.

Russia is only welcomed in Serbia and Bulgaria (partially), while Turkey is welcomed only in Bosnia( 48% Bosnian muslims) and Albania (to be more specific, muslim Albanians).
Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia...simply dont trust Russia and fear them, when Turkey is associated with backwardnes of Ottoman empire and reason for 150 years of late industrialization of Balkan area.
European Union and USA is only real dominant power here. Unfortunately.

Macedonia is very pro-Turkish, even many ethnic Christian Macedonians like us. They usually are either pro-Turkish or neutral towards Turkey.

http://fellowship.birn.eu.com/en/al...-articles-macedonia-turkey-the-ties-that-bind

I know that flamer is gonna disagree with me but Romanians are actually very interested in Turkey. I'd guess they hate Hungarians and Bulgarians more than they hate us. This does not mean they're in love with us but your assumptions are definitely not correct. For instance, there is a big difference among the Muslim Albanian community with regards to Turkish people. The most pro-Turkish Albanians are from Presheva/Serbia but Muslim Albanians from Albania are sometimes very indifferent to Turks. The most pro-Turkish people in the Balkan region at all are still our beloved Bosnian friends. Neither Turks nor Serbians are liked by Croatians. However, I bet they would choose us instead of you guys anytime. BUT Croatians from Bosnia are different. They are more critical towards Turkey.

http://balkanist.net/croatia-turkey-mostar-football-violence/

Personally, I like Serbians very much. They're good and reliable friends and we share a common understanding of what real friendship is. Especially in Western Europe, Albanian, Turkish, Serbian and Greek young people stick together because they feel closer to each other in terms of culture and social values.
 

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Russia and Turkey had their chance to bring prosperity and enlightenment to the Balkans but we all know how it turned up..

LOL- EU have had its chance - Balkan region is YUGO SLAVIA ( South Russia );

Turks , Russians and Chinese will develop the region, without massacre muslims .

Vlads can watch and be surprised from US occupied territory
 

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LOL- EU have had its chance - Balkan region is YUGO SLAVIA ( South Russia );

Turks , Russians and Chinese will develop the region, without massacre muslims .

Vlads can watch and be surprised from US occupied territory
First develop Turkey and Russia to EU level

Macedonia is very pro-Turkish, even many ethnic Christian Macedonians like us. They usually are either pro-Turkish or neutral towards Turkey.

http://fellowship.birn.eu.com/en/al...-articles-macedonia-turkey-the-ties-that-bind

I know that flamer is gonna disagree with me but Romanians are actually very interested in Turkey. I'd guess they hate Hungarians and Bulgarians more than they hate us. This does not mean they're in love with us but your assumptions are definitely not correct. For instance, there is a big difference among the Muslim Albanian community with regards to Turkish people. The most pro-Turkish Albanians are from Presheva/Serbia but Muslim Albanians from Albania are sometimes very indifferent to Turks. The most pro-Turkish people in the Balkan region at all are still our beloved Bosnian friends. Neither Turks nor Serbians are liked by Croatians. However, I bet they would choose us instead of you guys anytime. BUT Croatians from Bosnia are different. They are more critical towards Turkey.

http://balkanist.net/croatia-turkey-mostar-football-violence/

Personally, I like Serbians very much. They're good and reliable friends and we share a common understanding of what real friendship is. Especially in Western Europe, Albanian, Turkish, Serbian and Greek young people stick together because they feel closer to each other in terms of culture and social values.
I'm not disagreeing with you, Romania has friendly relations with Turkey and,generally, Romanians don't see Turks in a negative light.
 

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Macedonia is very pro-Turkish, even many ethnic Christian Macedonians like us. They usually are either pro-Turkish or neutral towards Turkey.

http://fellowship.birn.eu.com/en/al...-articles-macedonia-turkey-the-ties-that-bind

I know that flamer is gonna disagree with me but Romanians are actually very interested in Turkey. I'd guess they hate Hungarians and Bulgarians more than they hate us. This does not mean they're in love with us but your assumptions are definitely not correct. For instance, there is a big difference among the Muslim Albanian community with regards to Turkish people. The most pro-Turkish Albanians are from Presheva/Serbia but Muslim Albanians from Albania are sometimes very indifferent to Turks. The most pro-Turkish people in the Balkan region at all are still our beloved Bosnian friends. Neither Turks nor Serbians are liked by Croatians. However, I bet they would choose us instead of you guys anytime. BUT Croatians from Bosnia are different. They are more critical towards Turkey.

http://balkanist.net/croatia-turkey-mostar-football-violence/

Personally, I like Serbians very much. They're good and reliable friends and we share a common understanding of what real friendship is. Especially in Western Europe, Albanian, Turkish, Serbian and Greek young people stick together because they feel closer to each other in terms of culture and social values.
We have a Croatian in our place, he said Turkey is viewed positively since the Yugoslawian war, espacially Süleyman Demirel is popular for his help to Croats.

Suleyman Demirel was a friend of Croatia's
The former Turkish president Suleyman Demirel, who passed away yesterday, visited Croatia at a time when other European politicians gave the country a wide berth, the liberal daily Jutarnji List remembers: "In the years of Croatia's complete international isolation Demirel was practically our only friend, and Turkey the only country with which we had good relations despite the war in Bosnia. Suleyman Demirel visited Zagreb in 1997. His visit took place with all honours, and he had no problem with a protocol that was better suited to an authoritarian leader than a democratic politician. ... Suleyman Demirel was the first foreign president to speak in the Croatian parliament. ... And many Croatians will remember him as the only head of state to attend the state funeral of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman on 14 December 1999."

http://archiv.eurotopics.net/en/hom...18-Suleyman-Demirel-was-a-friend-of-Croatia-s



Süleyman Demirel honored with Grand Order of King Tomislav.

Google translate:
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF CROATIA
Pursuant to Article 98 of the Constitution of the Republic of Croatia and Article 6 in conjunction with Article 31 of the Law on Awards and Recognitions of the Republic of Croatia (Narodne novine, No. 33/92)


ORDER OF KRALJA TOMISLAVA

NJ. E.GOSPODINA SULEYMAN DEMIREL TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY

For extraordinary merit for the development of fruitful mutual cooperation, friendship and trust between the Republic of Croatia and the Republic of Turkey and the promotion of peace, democracy, stability and international cooperation.

President Suleyman Demirel has made a valuable contribution to the establishment and development of versatile friendly relations between the Republic of Croatia and the Republic of Turkey on the mutual benefit of both states and peoples and in the interest of peace, stability and cooperation.

In the period of historical changes in the world, the President of the Republic of Turkey, Suleyman Demirel, recognized statehood wisely the special place, role and responsibility of the Republic of Turkey and the Republic of Croatia overcoming the difficult challenges of establishing a new international order of security and stability in this part of Europe. The persistence, principledness and commitment of the President of the Republic of Turkey Suleymann Demirel to the achievement of these goals are indispensable to offer and encourage the establishment of new relations of equal co-operation, development of democracy, respect for human rights and freedoms, and lasting peace.

Number: PA2-56 / 1 -94

http://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/1994_07_57_1039.html


First develop Turkey and Russia to EU level
This is a well known multi account troll, dont feed him.
 

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Turkey should control energy supply-lines of European continent.

This, along with the largest NATO military in Europe, will make sure that Turkey holds Europe's neck to its place---so another fascist regime does not arises and tries to take over liberal-progressive Europe.

Meanwhile idiots like MarkusS can continue to herp derp about "rise of right" :rofl::lol:
 

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You are very well informed about Balkan politics, my friend. Very nice to see.

I will just put some add-ons.

Croatia - The only solution for Croatia to pick Turkey as a partner is possibility to all other nations in the world disapear and only Croatia, Serbia and Turkey remains. Belive me. They are most anti-oriental country in the Balkans. That comes from a Croatian Serb with 25% Croatian blood.

Bosnia - Really it was hard to find a Anti-Turkish Bosniak muslim. The only anti Turkish Bosniaks are Faschist SS Handzar supporters and muslim Bosniaks NS. They adore Germany and hate everything that comes from Turkey. But they are less then 0.5% of population.
Croatians in BiH ( 15% of population), and Serbs in BiH ( 40% of population), dont think nothing good about Turkey at all.

Albanians- Catholic and Orthodox Albanians (45 % of Albanians), hate Turks and are very proud of Skenderbeg, Albanian hero of Albanian-Serbian origin who fought against Ottomans, long long after Serbia and Albania capitulated.
Muslim Albanians are second after Bosniaks for their love for Turkiye.

Bulgarians - Always between Russia and Germany. Alot of South Bulgarians worked for my father as construction workers. They compared our problems with Albanians like their problems with Turks.

Serbia - Look very, very complex question. North Serbs and Western Serbs from Croatia (like myself) dont have a problem with Turks, becouse we never was occupied by Ottoman Empire, and our roots are not only Serbian roots but Austrian, Hungarian, Slovenian....
I think that I read more Orhan Pamuk works then most of ordinary Turks. I think very highly of Kemal Pasha. I dont have problems with Turks excepts some deluded Turks who start to annoy me with some retarded facts, like " Poland was under Ottoman Empire", "Ottoman Empire 25 millon km2, biggest in history", " We discovered America"...on internet 90% of Turks was like that.

So, our country was for first quarter of our medieval history the biggest enemy of Ottoman empire, but in rest 3/4 we was most loyal vassal of Ottomans, from Hungary to the Arabia, from the Egypt to the Bosnia. Our boys compromised more then 3/4 yannisary troops on its height (Halil Inalcik ). "Remove kebab" meme that was represented by Serbian nationalists is nothing to do with facts. We was part of Ottoman commonwealth for long long time, and truth to be told, we was on good terms with Ottoman Sultans, the only time, when we start to fight Turks was when some Turks separated from Sultan rule and start to oppress Serbian population at that time. It wasnt rare to find Ottoman Sultan army and Serbian peasant army to fight along against " kaffir" who betrayed Sultan and oppressor of Serbian population.
 

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You are very well informed about Balkan politics, my friend. Very nice to see.

I will just put some add-ons.

Croatia - The only solution for Croatia to pick Turkey as a partner is possibility to all other nations in the world disapear and only Croatia, Serbia and Turkey remains. Belive me. They are most anti-oriental country in the Balkans. That comes from a Croatian Serb with 25% Croatian blood.

Bosnia - Really it was hard to find a Anti-Turkish Bosniak muslim. The only anti Turkish Bosniaks are Faschist SS Handzar supporters and muslim Bosniaks NS. They adore Germany and hate everything that comes from Turkey. But they are less then 0.5% of population.
Croatians in BiH ( 15% of population), and Serbs in BiH ( 40% of population), dont think nothing good about Turkey at all.

Albanians- Catholic and Orthodox Albanians (45 % of Albanians), hate Turks and are very proud of Skenderbeg, Albanian hero of Albanian-Serbian origin who fought against Ottomans, long long after Serbia and Albania capitulated.
Muslim Albanians are second after Bosniaks for their love for Turkiye.

Bulgarians - Always between Russia and Germany. Alot of South Bulgarians worked for my father as construction workers. They compared our problems with Albanians like their problems with Turks.

Serbia - Look very, very complex question. North Serbs and Western Serbs from Croatia (like myself) dont have a problem with Turks, becouse we never was occupied by Ottoman Empire, and our roots are not only Serbian roots but Austrian, Hungarian, Slovenian....
I think that I read more Orhan Pamuk works then most of ordinary Turks. I think very highly of Kemal Pasha. I dont have problems with Turks excepts some deluded Turks who start to annoy me with some retarded facts, like " Poland was under Ottoman Empire", "Ottoman Empire 25 millon km2, biggest in history", " We discovered America"...on internet 90% of Turks was like that.

So, our country was for first quarter of our medieval history the biggest enemy of Ottoman empire, but in rest 3/4 we was most loyal vassal of Ottomans, from Hungary to the Arabia, from the Egypt to the Bosnia. Our boys compromised more then 3/4 yannisary troops on its height (Halil Inalcik ). "Remove kebab" meme that was represented by Serbian nationalists is nothing to do with facts. We was part of Ottoman commonwealth for long long time, and truth to be told, we was on good terms with Ottoman Sultans, the only time, when we start to fight Turks was when some Turks separated from Sultan rule and start to oppress Serbian population at that time. It wasnt rare to find Ottoman Sultan army and Serbian peasant army to fight along against " kaffir" who betrayed Sultan and oppressor of Serbian population.
Interesting input. :tup:
 

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