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Russia says pipeline to China will replace Nord Stream 2

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Then let’s hope those turbines are better than the suicide drones.
Those suicide drones are hunting down HIMARS on the ground sending American operators straight to hell.

These turbines on the other hand, are making American sanctions equal to breaking wind from American mouthes.
 

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That’s not “replacing”.

Russia scraps north stream 1 and 2. Then in addition reducing or scrapping other pipelines to Europe.

The pipelines to China remain and more will be built. That’s the long plan. however without western technology and money the new pipeline will never be reality.

Then there is another problem for Putin: China gas consumption says flat and gradually sinks.

Gas is cleaner than coal and oil, unlike coal and oil, European Union now wants gas is regarded as clean energy, part of their renewable energy mix, the same thing also happens around the world, including China, as new coal power plant is stopped being constructed and financed by banks, gas power plants are flourishing
 

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Gas is cleaner than coal and oil, unlike coal and oil, European Union now wants gas is regarded as clean energy, part of their renewable energy mix, the same thing also happens around the world, including China, as new coal power plant is stopped being constructed and financed by banks, gas power plants are flourishing
Yes gas is cleaner however it’s still considered as dirty. the EU especially Germany plans it as “transition fuel”. That means the use of natural gas will gradually decrease when another renewal fuel can replace it, for instance, hydrogen.
Now the EU and in larger extent the world has a problem.

The EU must return to super dirty coals. More carbon dioxide. More dirts in the air. We can forget climate goal commitment. Global warming coming. More floods, more drought.
 

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Yes gas is cleaner however it’s still considered as dirty. the EU especially Germany plans it as “transition fuel”. That means the use of natural gas will gradually decrease when another renewal fuel can replace it, for instance, hydrogen.
Now the EU and in larger extent the world has a problem.

The EU must return to super dirty coals. More carbon dioxide. More dirts in the air. We can forget climate goal commitment. Global warming coming. More floods, more drought.
The production and transportation of hydrogen will cause a lot of pollution. It is no cleaner than natural gas. And hydrogen is expensive and dangerous.

If the EU abandons the goal of "carbon neutrality" when encountering difficulties, what reason does the EU have to require countries that are unable to use clean energy to comply with the goal of "carbon neutrality"? Their difficulties are bigger and more lasting than those of the EU.
 

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The production and transportation of hydrogen will cause a lot of pollution. It is no cleaner than natural gas. And hydrogen is expensive and dangerous.

If the EU abandons the goal of "carbon neutrality" when encountering difficulties, what reason does the EU have to require countries that are unable to use clean energy to comply with the goal of "carbon neutrality"? Their difficulties are bigger and more lasting than those of the EU.
That’s the old fashioned way, transporting liquid hydrogen. That’s certainly dangerous and expensive.
You transform hydrogen H2 to ammonia NH3, then make it to liquid. Voila, less dangerous, less expensive. At destination you convert it back to hydrogen.
About pollution when making hydrogen, you can generate hydrogen by powering the electrolyte by wind or solar power.
That’s Germany and Canada planning.
in 3 years fleets of Canada tankers transport ammonia to Germany.
 

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That’s the old fashioned way, transporting liquid hydrogen. That’s certainly dangerous and expensive.
You transform hydrogen H2 to ammonia NH3, then make it to liquid. Voila, less dangerous, less expensive. At destination you convert it back to hydrogen.
About pollution when making hydrogen, you can generate hydrogen by powering the electrolyte by wind or solar power.
That’s Germany and Canada planning.
in 3 years fleets of Canada tankers transport ammonia to Germany.
This is what they are plannig

 

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50 billion cubic meters is equal to China's annual imports from Australia, the largest importer of lng, plus the United States. If China abandons Australia and US imports, it can guarantee demand for Russia. From the perspective of energy security, this is a good choice. Australia and the United States are unstable sources of imports to China.
 

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50 billion cubic meters is equal to China's annual imports from Australia, the largest importer of lng, plus the United States. If China abandons Australia and US imports, it can guarantee demand for Russia. From the perspective of energy security, this is a good choice. Australia and the United States are unstable sources of imports to China.
I can accept that Russia depends on the Chinese market. But I can't accept that China depends on Russian energy.

China can increase the amount of Russian energy purchased, but there must be a ceiling. China's energy security must be diversified.

This is what they are plannig


The hypocrisy of western countries is beyond your imagination.


 

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I can accept that Russia depends on the Chinese market. But I can't accept that China depends on Russian energy.

China can increase the amount of Russian energy purchased, but there must be a ceiling. China's energy security must be diversified.



The hypocrisy of western countries is beyond your imagination.




The reason for importing foreign natural gas is price. When it does encounter a blockade, China has enough natural gas reserves to supply demand. China has enough recoverable reserves of natural gas, the data in 2021 is 9.5 trillion, and the newly discovered recoverable reserves in recent years are more than 100 billion cubic meters
 

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This is what they are plannig

China is not dependent on the West?
solar cells will be just a part of green power generation. There are other: wind, biomass, hydrogen, ammonia, bio fuel, artificial fuel, water, earth. If it’s me I will add nuclear power.
 

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China is not dependent on the West?
solar cells will be just a part of green power generation. There are other: wind, biomass, hydrogen, ammonia, bio fuel, artificial fuel, water, earth. If it’s me I will add nuclear power.
Globalization means countries interdependent on each other, true, but still, some countries are more dependent on others, the global supply chain is firmly in China's hand, so who is more dependent on who?
 

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Globalization means countries interdependent on each other, true, but still, some countries are more dependent on others, the global supply chain is firmly in China's hand, so who is more dependent on who?
Seriously, you should put economic embargo on the EU. Do it tomorrow.
 

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