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Russia sanctions, Malaysian airliner: Who benefits?

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  1. Hasbara Buster

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    Russia sanctions, Malaysian airliner: Who benefits?

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    Malaysian Airline MH17 carrying 295 aboard crashes in Ukraine.

    By Paul Craig Roberts

    The unilateral US sanctions announced by Obama on July 16 blocking Russian weapons and energy companies access to US bank loans demonstrate Washington’s impotence. The rest of the world, including America’s two largest business organizations, turned their backs on Obama.

    The US Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers placed ads in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post protesting US sanctions. NAM said that the manufacturers’ association is “disappointed that the US is extending sanctions in increasingly unilateral ways that will undermine US commercial engagement.” Bloomberg reported that “meeting in Brussels, leaders of the European Union refused to match the US measures.”

    In attempting to isolate Russia, the White House Fool has isolated Washington.

    The sanctions will have no effect on the Russian companies. The Russian companies can get more bank loans than they need from China, or from France and Germany.

    The three traits that define Washington–arrogance, hubris, and corruption–make Washington a slow learner. Arrogant people wallowing in hubris are incapable of learning. When they encounter resistance they respond with bribes, threats, and coercion. Diplomacy requires learning ability, but Washington left diplomacy years ago and relies on force.

    Consequently, with its sanctions Washington is undermining its own power and influence. Sanctions are encouraging countries to withdraw from the dollar payments system that is the foundation of US power. Christian Noyer, Governor of the Bank of France and a member of the European Central Bank’s Governing Council, said that Washington’s sanctions are driving companies and countries out of the dollar payments system. The huge sum extorted from the French bank, BNP Paribus, for doing business with countries disapproved by Washington makes clear the increased legal risks that arise from using the dollar when Washington makes the rules.

    Washington’s attack on the French bank was the occasion for many to remember the numerous past sanctions and to contemplate future sanctions, such as those that loom for Germany’s Commerzbank. A movement to diversify the currencies used in international trade is inevitable. Noyer pointed out that trade between Europe and China does not need to use the dollar and can be fully paid in Euros or Renminbi.

    The phenomenon of US rules expanding to all US dollar-denominated transactions around the world is accelerating the movement away from the dollar payment system. Some countries have already arranged bilateral agreements with trading partners to make their trade payments in their own currencies. The BRICS are establishing new payment methods independently of the dollar and are setting up their own International Monetary Fund to finance trade imbalances.

    The US dollar’s exchange value depends on its role in the international payments system. As this role shrivels, so will demand for dollars and the dollar’s exchange value. Inflation will enter the US economy via import prices, and already hard-pressed Americans will experience more compression of their living standards.

    In the 21st century distrust has been growing of Washington. Washington’s lies, such as Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction,” “Assad’s use of chemical weapons,” and “Iranian nukes” are recognized as lies by other governments. The lies were used by Washington to destroy countries and to threaten others with destruction, keeping the world in constant turmoil. Washington delivers no benefit that offsets the turmoil that Washington inflicts on everyone else. Washington’s friendship requires complying with Washington’s demands, and governments are concluding that Washington’s friendship is not worth the high cost.

    The NSA spy scandal and Washington’s refusal to apologize and desist has deepened the distrust of Washington by its own allies. World polls show that other countries regard the US as the greatest threat to peace. The American people themselves have no confidence in their government. Polls show that a large majority of Americans believe that politicians, the presstitute media, and private interest groups such as Wall Street and the military/security complex rig the system to serve themselves at the expense of the American people.

    Washington’s empire is beginning to crack, a circumstances that will bring desperate action from Washington. Today (July 17) I heard a BBC news report on National Public Radio about a Malaysian airliner being shot down in Ukraine. The reporting might have been honest, but it sounded like a frame-up of Russia and the Ukrainian “separatists.” As the BBC solicited more biased opinions, the broadcast ended with a report from social media that separatists had brought down the airliner with a Russian weapon system.

    No one on the program wondered what the separatists had to gain by shooting down an airliner. Instead, the discussion was whether once Russian responsibility was established, would this force the EU to endorse tougher US sanctions against Russia. The BBC was following Washington’s script and heading the story where Washington wanted it to go.

    The appearance of a Washington operation is present. All the warmongers were ready on cue. US Vice President Joe Biden declared that the airliner was “blown out of the sky.” It was “not an accident.” Why would a person without an agenda be so declarative prior to having any information? Clearly, Biden was not implying that it was Kiev that blew the airliner out of the sky. Biden was at work in advance of the evidence blaming Russia. Indeed, the way Washington operates, it will pile on blame until it needs no evidence.

    Senator John McCain jumped on the supposition that there were US citizens aboard to call for punitive actions against Russia before the passenger list and the cause of the airliner’s fate are known.

    The “investigation” is being conducted by Washington’s puppet regime in Kiev. I think we already know what the conclusion will be.

    The probability is high that we are going to have more fabricated evidence, such as the fabricated evidence presented by US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN “proving” the existence of the non-existent Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction.” Washington has succeeded with so many lies, deceptions and crimes that it believes that it can always succeed again.

    At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner, but the Roman question always pertains: “Who benefits?” There is no conceivable motive for separatists to shoot down an airliner, but Washington did have a motive–to frame up Russia–and possibly a second motive. Among the reports or rumors there is one that says Putin’s presidential plane flew a similar route to that of the Malaysian airliner within 37 minutes of one another. This report has led to speculation that Washington decided to rid itself of Putin and mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin’s jet. RT reports that the two airplanes are similar in appearance.

    Before you say Washington is too sophisticated to mistake one airliner for another, keep in mind that when Washington shot down an Iranian airliner over Iranian air space, the US Navy claimed that it thought the 290 civilians that it murdered were in an Iranian fighter jet, a F-14 Tomcat fighter, a US-made fighter that was a mainstay of the US Navy. If the US Navy cannot tell its own workhorse fighter aircraft from an Iranian airliner, clearly the US can confuse two airliners that the RT report shows appear very similar.

    During the entire BBC frame-up of Russia, no one mentioned the Iranian passenger airliner that the US “blew out of the sky.” No one put sanctions on Washington.

    Whatever the outcome of the Malaysian airliner incident, it demonstrates a danger in Putin’s soft policy toward Washington’s ongoing hard intervention in Ukraine. Putin’s decision to respond with diplomacy instead of with military means to Washington’s provocations in Ukraine gave Putin a winning hand, as evidenced by the opposition to Obama’s sanctions by the EU and US business interests. However, by not bringing a quick forceable end to the Washington-sponsored conflict in Ukraine, Putin has left the door open for the devious machinations in which Washington specializes.

    If Putin had accepted the requests of the former Russian territories in eastern and southern Ukraine to rejoin Mother Russia, the Ukrainian imbroglio would have come to an end months ago, and Russia would not be running risks of being framed-up.

    Putin did not get the full benefit of refusing to send troops into the former Russian territories, because Washington’s official position is that Russian troops are operating in Ukraine. When facts do not support Washington’s agenda, Washington disposes of the facts. The US media blames Putin as the perpetrator of violence in Ukraine. It is Washington’s accusation, not any known facts, that is the basis for the sanctions.

    As there is no act too dastardly for Washington to undertake, Putin and Russia could become victims of a devious machination.

    Russia seems hypnotized by the West and motivated to be included as a part of the West. This desire for acceptance plays into Washington’s hands. Russia does not need the West, but Europe needs Russia. One option for Russia is to tend to Russian interests and wait for Europe to come courting.

    The Russian government should not forget that Washington’s attitude toward Russia is formed by the Wolfowitz Doctrine which states:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

    PressTV - Russia sanctions, Malaysian airliner: Who benefits?
     
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    Food for thought.
     
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    Thinking is not allowed. Wanting justice is a crime.
     
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    dunno how that would be relevant

    nobody mentioned when china shot down the cathay pacific plane, or nobody mentioned when the soviet shot down a jumbo killing a us congressman

    If thats food for thought then u gonna starve to deah my friend
     
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    The operative part of the present conversation is fairness and responsibility. Reportedly China executed the pilots who were responsible for bringing down the Cathay Pacific flight, tendered an unconditional apology and compensated the victims of the incident. America on the other hand maintains its innocence over the Iran Air incident. The compensation it paid to the families of the victims was on an ex gratia basis and was only to avoid being found guilty by the International Court of Justice.

    The fact of the matter is, America does get away with everything. However, as the article elucidates, its carefree romp around the world may be coming to an end.
     
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    This clearly a lie. There is a listing of such events, including the Iranian airliner shot down by USA, and note the last one: even China shot down a Cathay Pacific plane:

    BBC News - MH17 crash: History of passenger planes shot down

    Amid reports that a Malaysia Airlines plane which crashed in eastern Ukraine was shot down, the BBC looks at previous incidents involving passenger planes.

    Siberian Airlines Flight 1812, Oct 2001

    A Siberian Airlines plane was heading to Novosibirsk, Russia from Tel Aviv, Israel when it was shot down and crashed into the Black Sea on 4 October, 2001. All 78 passengers onboard were killed. The Ukrainian military denied its involvement at first.

    However, Ukrainian officials later admitted that its military had mistakenly shot the plane during a training exercise.

    Three Transair Georgia planes, Sep 1993

    A total of 136 people died when three Tupolev civilian airliners belonging to Transair Georgia were hit by rebel missiles and gunfire in the breakaway region of Abkhazia during its war of independence with Georgia.

    The first plane, a T-134 flying from Russia, was struck on approach to Abkhazia's Sukhumi airport on 21 September. The jet crashed into the Black Sea, claiming the lives of all five crew members and 22 passengers.

    The following day, a T-154 was shot down while attempting to land at Sukhumi airport. The attack killed 108 of the 132 people on board. And on 23 September, passengers were boarding an aircraft at Sukhumi when it was struck and caught fire, leaving one crew member dead.

    Iran Air Flight 655, July 1988

    An Iran Air Airbus A300, which was bound for Dubai, was shot down in airspace above the Gulf on 3 July, 1988. The plane was mistaken for an F-14 fighter plane that had been sold to Iran before the 1979 revolution. An American cruiser, USS Vincennes launched two missiles at the plane, downing it and killing all 290 passengers and crew onboard.

    Iran condemned the incident, calling it a "criminal act", an "atrocity" and a "massacre", while the US insisted it was a misunderstanding. The case led Iran to begin legal proceedings against the US in the International Court of Justice in 1996. The American government later compensated the families of victims.

    Korean Airlines Flight 007, Sept 1983

    A Korean Airlines passenger jet, which was travelling to Seoul, South Korea from New York, was shot down by a Soviet fighter plane on 1 September, 1983, killing all 269 passengers and crew on board. The plane was shot when it veered off-course and strayed into Soviet territory.

    Soviet leaders initially denied knowledge of the incident but later admitted the country's role, claiming that the aircraft had been on a spy mission.

    Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114, Feb 1973

    A Libyan Airlines Boeing 727-200 plane was shot down by Israeli fighters in Egypt's Sinai Desert on 21 February, 1973. It was believed that the pilots got lost due to bad weather and equipment failure over northern Egypt, resulting in the plane entering Israeli-controlled airspace over the Sinai desert.

    After firing warning shots and giving signals to land, two Israeli fighter jets shot down the plane. Out of 113 people on board, only five, including the co-pilot, survived.

    Cathay Pacific Airways C-54, July 1954

    On 23 July 1954 a Cathay Pacific C-54 Skymaster carrying 19 passengers and crew was flying from Bangkok to Hong Kong when it was shot down by a mainland Chinese Army fighter plane off the coast of Hainan Island. Ten people died.

    China said it had mistaken the plane for a military aircraft on an attack mission.
     
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    That's bs. Why is that event even in the conversation? Hey let's just take some other event and try to somehow counter with. The writer of that article has written it from a 5 year old's point of view.
     
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    'Murrica? 8-)

    I heard this today while at a friend's place for Iftar. I tried my best not to so anything back to his wild and typical accusation.
    I pity my countrymen who can't think straight sometimes.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what was his accusation and who was he accusing?
     
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    Sorry if I made it unclear, he was presenting us all with a conspiracy that the US was responsible for the downed Malaysian Airliner.
     
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    Ah. I don't blame him waisay. Such tau hai. Hamaray aan drakht say patta bhi girray tau yahoodo-nasara ki sazish shaamil hoti hai. Ba-ehsiatay qaum hum yeh rai rakhnay pay majboor hain. Lol.
     
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    Let the reasons come out before blaming any one side. Though this could be Ukrainian army's job to make Russia lose international support.

    But one thing is sure; this is a politically motivated attempt to kill some scientists on board the aircraft.

    Majority of the passengers onboard were Dutch nationals.
     
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    The U.S can still afford to sanction any country she wants, she is still by far the most influential/powerful country in the world. the U.S does what is in its interests first and foremost. So I dont blame them its normal.
    The thing is we (E.U), Japan, and most of the western developed world are allies of the U.S or junior partners if ypu like. We have a firm relationship/partnership and it will remain this way for the foreseeable future.
    China,Russia and The developing world can bitch all they want but they will find it very hard to ever displace the U.S /west/japan in future. No matter our little differences in the west/U.S we are still United and know that we need to stick together for our own good. We might have one or two differences here and there but ut doesn't change the fact that we remain allies/United.
    Compare this with the rivalry in the developing world who despite being poor/backward still treat each other with suspicion and every country wants to be seen as the leader/ego. The developing world is simply too fragmented and saddle with useless competition/disputes to even stand a chance of challenging us. Who can tell me who is the leader of the developing world? Lol im sure there will be many countries who will want to be mentioned as one.lol
    Unlike the developed world led by the U.S . You cant have a clear policy without leadership/leader so keep dreaming of the U.S dollar losing its shine/influence.