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RSAF gets its first F-15SA

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  1. Archie

    Archie SENIOR MEMBER

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    Still they wont fight for Gaza

    If saudi really ever wanted
    then could have taken on the Jews a long time ago
    But Obama keeps there Balls in lock and key
     
  2. Horus

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    Gaza is not KSA's responsibility.
     
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    Maybe it is not on offer because the same Radar would be part of Singaporean F-15SG and S. Korean F-15s.

    You may read it all.

    Radar Refits: F-15s Looking for the AESA Edge
     
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    post: 5928249, member: 15719"]Gaza is not KSA's responsibility.[/quote]

    So is it US responsibility to go into Serbia and Bosnia into Iraq into Afghanistan into Cambodia into Vietnam into all the hell holes to rescue people and Muslims most of the time and that fat part of the world sits enjoy virgins, I must praise US with certain exception Muslim world is thankful to them for saving Bosnians and now I realize beating so called taliban the terrorist that infested Pakistan, lets not look at it from negative perspective US was right all the way to do more in case of N. Waziristan. But it is not always US that has to fix problem these Arab monarchs like Kingdom has to do something if it can't go into Palestine they should atleast give them a land in their country with 7 million population and vast lands so Palestinians can live peacefully for the time being. Gaza is not KSA's responsibility but afghanistan refugees in Pakistan is Pakistan's responsibility? I am amazed at Hypocrisy of certain members infact I even read from the same people say give them Pakistani Nationality but on the other hand rest of Muslims have no responsibility..why should we take responsibility of afghanis if I may ask aside from this topic pretty much useless logic.
     
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    Congrats for this deal. What a beauty!! :smitten:
     
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    That isn't what your mother said.

    And by the same token, we never saw a thing whenever one or a bunch of your soldiers get killed within your own territory, nor have we seen a thing when China made an incursion within your own territory, the same goes to what happens to your own ship when the Iranians seized it, not to mention your standoff's with your mortal enemy.

    And the list goes on and on.

    You practically have no grounds and dignity to run your blabbering mouth at us.

     
  7. qamar1990

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    can they target israeli jets??/
     
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    Nopes.

    If Saudi Air Force EVER decided to confront Israel, they'll be decimated.

    First, Saudi Radars are American-made...

    America will give/or already has given all the source-codes and everything for Saudi Radars. Saudi radars won't even be able to pick Israeli jets (just like it happened in Egypt)..and Israelis will destroy 80% to 95% of these advance jets while they'll be sitting on ground.

    Secondly, even in the air, Israeli planes will know everything about Saudi planes, their tactics, and their weaknesses etc..and then Israelis will just shoot down any Saudis left.

    Remember Israeli Iraqi nuclear-reactor strike?

    They flew right through Saudi Arabia..and Saudi "advance" Patriot missile system with its powerful radar could not even pick up Israeli jets..and that was 30 years ago. Today, Saudi radars and infrastructure is even more worthless against Israelis. Israelis know each and everything about it. And saudi radars won't be able to pick Israeli jets....

    Saudi Air Power is to contain Iran.
     
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    Smartest post in this entire thread. US would not give top-of-the-line weaponry to a muslim country unless they put kill switches and remote access in the SA F-15s. Israel won't allow them to sell weaponry like that without a few booby traps and hidden Achilles heels.
     
  10. notorious_eagle

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    Thats some very heavy firepower, this pretty much guarantees Saudi Air Dominance in the region.
     
  11. Frogman

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    Do you have any evidence of the above or is it the usual rumors and bs on military forums.
     
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    Evidence? lol...

    Common sense, bruh.

    Moreover, don't you remember what happened to Egypt in 1967?

    NONE of your radar was able to pick Israeli jets.

    In 1980's..When Israelis attacked Iraqi nuclear reactor...Israeli fighter jets passed over Saudi territory...but Saudi Patriot missile system (that U.S gave to Egypt and other Arabs too :omghaha:) couldn't even get Israeli jets on radar, forget about engaging them and so on.

    Whats rumors in it? These are well-recorded fact.
     
  13. Frogman

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    Yes, evidence. Rationalisation or common sense as you refer to it can not be used to prove or refute such a subject.

    That isn't entirely true. However, Israelis evaded Egyptian radar detection by flying at low altitudes and studying Egyptian tactics, not by anything to do with source codes or computer wizardry. If it was as a result of computer wizardry then why did Israeli aircraft not escape Egyptian detection during the War of Attrition and the October war? baring in mind a lot of systems present in 1967 remained in service in those wars.

    Saudi Arabia procured the Patriot system in the 1990s, several years after the Israeli attack on HS-3.... It didn't possess any of the hyper defensive capabilities it does now nor did it posses a sophisticated air defence network in the 80s or an armed forces for that matter.

    Nothing you have stated is fact.

    There is simply no precedent for the use of source codes to blind, kill, or sabotage enemy forces weapon systems, it is a pure figment of imagination. Saudi and Egyptian weapons systems are able to track, lock on, and destroy any target be it friend or foe.
     
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    What am I hearing? Did you just made that up? For what reason? And on what basis? Since you have no military knowledge its better to keep it down don't you think? First, Saudi Radars aren't US made but French, German, Spanish...etc made. Mostly European. Second the Saudi AWACS be it the Sweden Saab or the E-3 are able to detect any flying bug in the region. There is no code whatsoever and the IFF is Saudi made just so you know. All the codes are encrypted and required pre-authorization setting.

    Saudi Arabia openly threaten to shot down any Israeli jet that gets close KSA air space. In Saudi-Israel conformation whether air-air like a dogfight or air surface, Israel will lose badly. The Typhoon world's most advanced swing-role combat aircraft makes the whole Israel air fleet useless and the F-15SA is the most advanced F-15 in the world. Second Israel is the size of a pin tip lack geographical depth which makes its military airports and sits vulnerable to StormShadow missile like that can fly at 500km range. So the RSAF won't bother to launch these missiles far from home but from within our border given the distance b/t Tabuk air base and Israel.

    Saudi Arabia is the size of Europe and isn't of that 30 years back where it had no Air defense. Today every inch of Saudi Arabia is monitored with the state of the art systems. Heck the RSAF jets are a flying radars themselves. You might wanna ask the Israelis about the two israeli jets that were forced to land by the RSAF and later shipped to the US. Or go to Mr Weeklies and read about the RSAF and the Israel PM private jet. If Israel fear no Saudi Arabia and can alter the Saudis own hardwares then it would have not lobbied against KSA-US and KSA-Germany arms deals and still lobbying till nowadays. The Saudis worth a lot in the world economical arena and on top of that can bill shower to get what it wants. So again Israel will go down the drain if ever eyes-on the Saudi.
     
  15. Horus

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    @AUz

    Good old conspiracy theory eh?

    You think that the RSAF would just hand over 90 billion to the US to 'degrade' its capabilities?

    If this was the case, why didn't RSAF just buy more Typhoon tranche IIIs, which can target anyone RSAF wants to target?

    While this is true that some form of 'control' is built in these jets which either limits its capabilities or keeps track of the jet, i don't buy the source code theory.

    @Arabian Legend

    A Turkish F-16 crashed and TAI did find some tracking equipment, in its hidden compartments.

    @Malaysian F/A-18 Hornets were not able to navigate to Singapore, which is a stone's throw away. This lead to the cancellation of the follow up order. They bought Su-30 MKM instead.

    Australian AMRAAMs had inbuilt limitations, which they removed by hacking reprograming it.

    Turkish F-16s were identifying the Israeli jets as 'friendles', which meant that they couldn't lock on them in BVR combat. TAI ended up striping down their Integrated Friend or Foe detection system and replacing it with a Turkish one ;) (hint)

    I don't think that KSA would handover a megaton of cash ro get jets that can't target Israelis. If this is the case, however, there are a few things that can be done.

    Replace IFF
    Integrate your Meteor and IRIS-Ts on F-15s
    Buy more EriEye AWACs to be used against Israel.

    This should take care of the points raised above.

    Cheers.