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Albeit, a few years old article but none the less makes some interesting reading. Have edited the article so as just to focus on the respective two aircraft.

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Fighter news round-up: Royal United Services Institute’s Justin Bronk examines the current state of fighter aircraft programmes around the world.

Many pundits dismiss the JF-17 – what would be a fair assessment of its effectiveness? Is it comparable to the F-16, and if so – which Block would it be on a par with?

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The Sino-Pakistani JF-17, not to be underestimated.


The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.

Tejas- joke or hope?

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Tejas, national pride over practicality?

Joke. Thirty years of development to produce an aircraft with short range, poor payload, and severe quality control issues throughout the manufacturing process leading to badly fitting structural components, slow delivery rates and high costs due to remanufacturing and alterations requirements. India would have done much better to have just bought a licence to manufacture Gripen C/D.
Never heard about this institute
Btw jf17 is a mediocre aircraft' made by China. Pakistan has inducted it not because it's a good fighter but because it wasn't getting anymore f16s. Jf17s have been ordered by poor countries with dysfunctional militaries like Nigeria and myanmar. This article it a pile of garbage meant to boost pakistani ego and ridicule a far superior fighter Tejas.
 

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Saying this since 2012.. All india needed was to ditch LCA and rafale and put 20b $ in gripen NG to get 200+ fighters under liscene it could have gone up to 400 at fraction of cost.

The other option was under liscene f16 production (same as a rafale at 1/2 half the price)

Both would have cost same as LCA + rafale and would have actually made a difference

LCA manufacturing doesnt give india an learning opportunity ..it should have just scrapped LCA and went in to develop AMCA

But we saw money poured into naval LCA and blah blah blah
Gadha Agar ghass say dosti kr lay to khaya GA Kiya?
Fund that could have been used else where effectively to meet their requirements. But what to do with corrupt politicians how will they survive. LCA was sold as a game changer only if they could have completed the project on time. It's too late. French is something Indian are inclined towards.
 

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Never heard about this institute
Btw jf17 is a mediocre aircraft' made by China. Pakistan has inducted it not because it's a good fighter but because it wasn't getting anymore f16s. Jf17s have been ordered by poor countries with dysfunctional militaries like Nigeria and myanmar. This article it a pile of garbage meant to boost pakistani ego and ridicule a far superior fighter Tejas.
But somehow no dysfunctional military country have even asked for Tejas. Because Tejas was always seen hanging on the truck. There are almost 100+ JF17 how many Tejas are there? I mean have they even flown that plane or IAF sukhois escort them as well with the rope like glider.
 

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Thunder is a great achievement of the PAF because it will replace the obsolete platforms of the PAF.
Next step will be a 4th/5th generation jet from Project Azm.
But somehow no dysfunctional military country have even asked for Tejas. Because Tejas was always seen hanging on the truck. There are almost 100+ JF17 how many Tejas are there? I mean have they even flown that plane or IAF sukhois escort them as well with the rope like glider.
Your stupid post is not even worth answering. First Start living in reality then talk. Btw Tejas is in frontline service and is operational with 2 squadrons.

And jf17 is a mediocre aircraft designed by the Chinese which has front looking like mirages and rear like a f16 and has a russian engine and European electronics and radar. Building something in large numbers doesn't necessarily make it good.
 

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Your stupid post is not even worth answering. First Start living in reality then talk. Btw Tejas is in frontline service and is operational with 2 squadrons.

And jf17 is a mediocre aircraft designed by the Chinese which has front looking like mirages and rear like a f16 and has a russian engine and European electronics and radar. Building something in large numbers doesn't necessarily make it good.
Its mediocre because it
1. Its aerodynamic like AoA, wing loading and mach 1.6 speed and acceleration /climb speed are worse then LCA
2. Its also medicore because its avionics, italian jamming/EW, link 17, cockpit, AESA radar, PL-15, guided weapons and antiship weapons are medicore
3. Its mediocre because its ease of maintenance is worse then su30 and its operationability is worse then su30
4. Its mediocre because pilots cant fly it and it is difficult to fly
5. Its mediocre because it cant find any third party buyers especially since USA Didnt induct it ..
 

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Saying this since 2012.. All india needed was to ditch LCA and rafale and put 20b $ in gripen NG to get 200+ fighters under liscene it could have gone up to 400 at fraction of cost.

The other option was under liscene f16 production (same as a rafale at 1/2 half the price)

Both would have cost same as LCA + rafale and would have actually made a difference

LCA manufacturing doesnt give india an learning opportunity ..it should have just scrapped LCA and went in to develop AMCA

But we saw money poured into naval LCA and blah blah blah
What hog wash LCA is an amazing aircraft and the Version mk1a is even better. I think proper r&d should be done to ensure the effectiveness of the mk1a before it enter service. Hence make 20-40 LCA’s to ensure it meets quality standards over the next 15 year. Then mk1a prototypes should be built and tested to ensure its lethality!


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Its mediocre because it
1. Its aerodynamic like AoA, wing loading and mach 1.6 speed and acceleration /climb speed are worse then LCA
2. Its also medicore because its avionics, italian jamming/EW, link 17, cockpit, AESA radar, PL-15, guided weapons and antiship weapons are medicore
3. Its mediocre because its ease of maintenance is worse then su30 and its operationability is worse then su30
4. Its mediocre because pilots cant fly it and it is difficult to fly
5. Its mediocre because it cant find any third party buyers especially since USA Didnt induct it ..
And it also has 3 crashes in his name...
 

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And it also has 3 crashes in his name...
Well, it has also been tested and proven in combat, shooting down a spy drone and raiding Indian targets last year and there are over 100 in service with some 50,000 hours of flying.
Forget Tejas, with a dozen crashes, even your mighty SU-30 has a mere weather balloon to it's credit.
 

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Your stupid post is not even worth answering. First Start living in reality then talk. Btw Tejas is in frontline service and is operational with 2 squadrons.

And jf17 is a mediocre aircraft designed by the Chinese which has front looking like mirages and rear like a f16 and has a russian engine and European electronics and radar. Building something in large numbers doesn't necessarily make it good.
And everything in tejas samosa is Indian made right. Talking about 2 squadrons are they still being moved on trucks. If Tejas is so outstanding why is modi always crying Agar rafeal hota to. She should have said Tejas Hai na Chai Kay sath somaso lay lo
 

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And it also has 3 crashes in his name...
Yeah 125 single engine aircrafts have 3 crashes over 13 years
vs 12 crashes for twin engine 250 aircrafts over spam of 25 yrs for su 30 making it more mediocre then raptor of the east su 30 and raptor of west rafale (3 crashes over span of 17 years amongst fleet of 102 in french airforce)
 

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Well, it has also been tested and proven in combat, shooting down a spy drone and raiding Indian targets last year and there are over 100 in service with some 50,000 hours of flying.
Forget Tejas, with a dozen crashes, even your mighty SU-30 has a mere weather balloon to it's credit.
Fake news
Also those 3 rafale that crashed and 12 su30 are also fake news by ISI
While workhorse of india mirage 2000 12 crashes, 3 in last 8 years in a fleet of just 50 including a brand new one from HAL are also fake news
 
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Albeit, a few years old article but none the less makes some interesting reading. Have edited the article so as just to focus on the respective two aircraft.

Hush-Kit
The alternative aviation magazine
JULY 24, 2016
Fighter news round-up: Royal United Services Institute’s Justin Bronk examines the current state of fighter aircraft programmes around the world.

Many pundits dismiss the JF-17 – what would be a fair assessment of its effectiveness? Is it comparable to the F-16, and if so – which Block would it be on a par with?

View attachment 671041

The Sino-Pakistani JF-17, not to be underestimated.


The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.

Tejas- joke or hope?

View attachment 671042
Tejas, national pride over practicality?

Joke. Thirty years of development to produce an aircraft with short range, poor payload, and severe quality control issues throughout the manufacturing process leading to badly fitting structural components, slow delivery rates and high costs due to remanufacturing and alterations requirements. India would have done much better to have just bought a licence to manufacture Gripen C/D.
chinese mal is tried to be sold as pakistani .
 

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