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REUTERS: Turkey blocks signing NATO defence plan for Poland, Baltic States

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^this. They even took back their air defense systems after the jet shotdown and made it clear that they wont support Turkey
It's hilarious considering your officials and army staff running to NATO for "consultations" after that downed jet... You being part of NATO is the only thing that kept the Russians from taking military retaliations and roasting you... It didn't even need to move a finger to deter the Russians..
 

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Turkey refused to back the NATO defence plan for Poland and the Baltic States, as the state has not received enough political support from the alliance for its actions against Kurdish militia, the People's Protection Units (YPG) in northern Syria, according to Reuters agency.



In exchange for their approval, Turkey demands the formal recognition of YPG as terrorists by NATO. So far, their envoy has been told not to sign the plan.

NATO is seeking formal approval by all 29 member states for the military plan to defend Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in the event of a Russian attack. The lack of Turkey’s consent for the plan means more delay in strengthening the alliance’s eastern flank.

“The Turks are taking eastern Europeans hostage, blocking approval of this military planning until they get concessions," one of the diplomatic sources told Reuters.

Referring to the case, NATO's spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said: "NATO has plans for defending all allies. NATO's commitment to the safety and security of all allies is unwavering.”

The dispute is likely to be brought up at the 70th NATO anniversary summit in London in early December.

In line with the provisions of the North Atlantic Treaty of 1949, an armed assault on one of the signatories of the pact is equal to an attack on all NATO countries. The treaty has developed various military strategies regarding the defence of its territory. Turkey blocking the signing of the new plan may become a dangerous precedent for Poland. link: https://polandin.com/45520833/turkey-blocks-signing-nato-defence-plan-for-poland-baltic-states

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REUTERS Exclusive: Turkey holds up NATO military plans over Syria dispute - sources



BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Turkey is refusing to back a NATO defense plan for the Baltics and Poland until the alliance offers Ankara more political support for its fight against Kurdish YPG militia in northern Syria, four senior alliance sources said.


A Turkish flag flies next to NATO logo at the Alliance headquarters in Brussels, Belgium, November 26, 2019. REUTERS/Francois Lenoir
Ankara has told its NATO envoy not to sign off on the plan and is taking a tough line in meetings and in private conversations, demanding the alliance recognize the YPG as terrorists in the formal wording, the sources said.

Turkey’s NATO delegation was not immediately available for comment. Turkey’s defense and foreign ministries did not respond to requests for comment.

The dispute, before NATO holds its 70th anniversary summit in London next week, is a sign of divisions between Ankara and Washington over Turkey’s offensive in northern Syria against the YPG militia, which it regards as terrorists with links to Kurdish militants on Turkish soil.


NATO envoys are seeking formal approval by all 29 member states for the military plan to defend Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in the event of a Russian attack.

Without Turkey’s approval, it could be harder for NATO to step up its defenses in the Baltics and Poland quickly.

“They (the Turks) are taking eastern Europeans hostage, blocking approval of this military planning until they get concessions,” one of the diplomatic sources told Reuters.

A second source called Turkey’s behavior “disruptive” as NATO tries to show it is united after U.S. President Donald Trump voiced scepticism about the alliance and French President Emmanuel Macron suggested it was experiencing “brain death”.

Asked about the issue, NATO’s spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said: “NATO has plans for defending all allies. NATO’s commitment to the safety and security of all allies is unwavering.”

Turkey began its offensive in northern Syria after the United States pulled 1,000 troops out of the area last month. Ankara’s NATO allies fear the incursion will undermine the battle against Islamic State militants.

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The plan for the Baltic states and Poland, drawn up at their request after Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, has no direct bearing on Turkey’s strategy in Syria, but it raises issues about security on all of NATO’s frontiers.

Under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation’s 1949 founding treaty, an attack on one ally is an attack on all, and the alliance has military strategies for collective defense across its territory.

Turkey made its demands before its offensive in northern Syria but the issue has come to a head because of next week’s summit, at which security documents are to be approved.

NATO envoys still hope for a compromise because Ankara also needs leaders to approve a separate, upgraded military plan detailing how NATO would defend Turkey in the event of an attack, two of the diplomatic sources said.

Macron, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will meet on the summit’s margins to discuss Ankara’s Syria operation.

“Everyone is criticizing them (the Turks), but if they give in, it will be at the cost of non-interference in their Syria strategy,” one of the diplomatic sources said.

link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lans-over-syria-dispute-sources-idUSKBN1Y01W0
So now Turkey thinks they can bully NATO into submission on it's pet project "destroy the PKK"?

First of all, the PKK has legitimate claims to a homeland of their own.

Second, we (the rest of NATO) don't need Turkey as much as they apparently think we do.

I think we should sanction Turkey for interfering in NATO large scale plans. Right the F now.
 

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It's hilarious considering your officials and army staff running to NATO for "consultations" after that downed jet... You being part of NATO is the only thing that kept the Russians from taking military retaliations and roasting you... It didn't even need to move a finger to deter the Russians..
Oh cmon, NATO did shit infact the majority of countries blamed Turkey for overreacting (rightfully even) but out of principle the message here was: Turkey you are on your own and the Russians have been aware of that. The Russians didnt move because they think in the long term. They are not as short sighted as certain nations in a certain part of this world are and they calculated their moves right and waited for the time to ease the relations (coup attempt and them supposedly sharing intel with turkish intelligence about the cia-putschists) So stop that shit with NATO. Its good that its ending to the consequence of you europeans but you can only blame urselfs for that.
 

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So now Turkey thinks they can bully NATO into submission on it's pet project "destroy the PKK"?

First of all, the PKK has legitimate claims to a homeland of their own.

Second, we (the rest of NATO) don't need Turkey as much as they apparently think we do.

I think we should sanction Turkey for interfering in NATO large scale plans. Right the F now.
If you like them so much give them parts of your country.
NATO can take it‘s large scale plan and depot it in it‘s darkest place.

Prepare your refugees welcome banners.
 

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Kurdistan never existed in Turkey. Where the hell was this homeland? :lol:
Turkey is quite large enough to hand over some land to the Kurds.
The fact Turks oppressed and slaughtered them for centuries upon centuries, is no source of legitimacy or honor for modern-day Turks.

If you like them so much give them parts of your country.
NATO can take it‘s large scale plan and depot it in it‘s darkest place.

Prepare your refugees welcome banners.
They want lands in the Turkish region, not the Dutch region, mr smart-***.
 

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Turkey is quite large enough to hand over some land to the Kurds.
The fact Turks oppressed and slaughtered them for centuries upon centuries, is no source of legitimacy or honor for modern-day Turks.


They want lands in the Turkish region, not the Dutch region, mr smart-***.
ooh if you give them some land in the north side wher people leave the cities like Groningen. They will thank you for:-).
 

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Turkey is quite large enough to hand over some land to the Kurds.
You said they had a homeland, I want to know where this mythical homeland of Kurdistan was/is.

The fact Turks oppressed and slaughtered them for centuries upon centuries
And people say we should let Syrians stay in Turkey. in a few decades time they will like the Kurds we saved from Saddam claim we slaughtered them lol.

SYRIANS AND KURDS OUT OF TURKEY NOW.

If you like them so much give them parts of your country.
NATO can take it‘s large scale plan and depot it in it‘s darkest place.

Prepare your refugees welcome banners.
He is not Dutch. the average Dutch do not care for Middle East lol
 

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Indians are against Turkey and Malaysia, only because those two are allies of Pakistan and support Pakistan in Kashmir.

They are so obvious in fact, but they think they are so clever.

You can read Indians like a book, you can predict any and all opinions or views which they will have, because Indians always show the most degenerate of human emotions.
 

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So now Turkey thinks they can bully NATO into submission on it's pet project "destroy the PKK"?

First of all, the PKK has legitimate claims to a homeland of their own.

Second, we (the rest of NATO) don't need Turkey as much as they apparently think we do.

I think we should sanction Turkey for interfering in NATO large scale plans. Right the F now.
If you have the balls, you should have sanctioned Turkey ever since Turkey stabbed NATO in the back with a nice sharp dagger by developing closer relations post Su-24 shoot down. Even as we speak, EU isnt comfortable with Trump or his level of commitment to NATO, so Turkey leaving now would be disastrous for NATO and make it look even more like a paper tiger. I'm not attacking you or anything btw. I'm just stating that at this time, Turkey's timing to act up towards NATO is well timed. Turkey is flexing and ready for action, so is EU? because if you are then why not just escalate and punish this "rogue"NATO member? Also you sanction a NATO country, that will destabilize a NATO member, so how does that help NATO?? Can NATO countries feel secure without having RUssia and Turkey not on their side? C'mon bro. i can tell you guys DONT WANT TO deploy troops.
 

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The French are by far the worst member state of all and usually even heavier pro-Russian than we are. In fact, we never blocked any plan of NATO to contain Russian influence in Europe or the Middle East. Historically, it's the Frenchman who tries to sabotage NATO's plans regarding Moscow.
 

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