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Recent Sino-Indian border conflict

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  1. Tshering22

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    Nothing of that sort.

    Except maybe political support, they won't do anything.

    Trump is a see-saw and Japan will be busy preparing for a conflict. Remember, Japanese military is hi-tech, but they are even more raw on the battlefield than the PLA. For 72 years, Japanese haven't even touched the C of a conflict, forget going for a full blown war.

    Yes they have the spirit, but without realistic experience in a full-blown war, Japan will have its hands full dealing with the peninsula's problems.

    We'll have to hold the fort on our own, as we won't have time for negotiations for weapons supply.
     
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    That's exactly right. The upcoming battle fields are on the eastern side of China & the main threats are from the US and Japan. China should not lose its focus on its main objectives, which are to maintain peace on Korean peninsula, push out the US beyond the 2nd island chain & SCS, encircle Taiwan and seek eventual reunification. India is just a little rascal prey that China can stalk, harass, play with it, and then eventually move in for a kill when it's tired. Do NOT have knee jerk reactions just because a little cupcake pokes you. Always maintain your focus and composure. That's what a mature, experienced, and well disciplined killing machine would do.
     
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    I never doubted the Sino-Tibetan people of India as the straight forward, humble, brave and truthful type compared to the dark boastful Hindus. True qualities of the Gurkha.

    Nobody is going to defend India except Indians. They need to start standing on their own. This time Russia is going to stay neutral, Japan is too far away and won't pick a fight with China and US is just looking at using India to get a deal in NK. India is just a pawn in this game.
     
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    Nice post. :enjoy:
     
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    Wow, the critical thinking here is just....wow.

    They get good training from America. However, they are always preoccupied by NK. PLA handbook says, get NK to do it. Give NK some money, they'll threaten Japan, they'll harass and even commit war crimes.

    Where all aware of China's land grab schemes. Claim the land, occupy and claim it again according to obscure historically claims going back millenniums.
    Dalai Lama says India-China standoff is not serious, cites 'Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai' slogan

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/dala...tes-hindi-chini-bhai-bhai-slogan-3910453.html
     
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    The Lama system was actually introduced to Tibet by Mongolian, Han and Manderins from north and inner China to erase the kingdom identity of Tibet. When Tibet was a kingdom, its force usually attacked inner China when they felt short of food and every major power in China suffered it. So China started fixing this problem from Tang dynasty and the effort lasted generations. Finally the kingdom was successfully replaced with such a Lama system and lawfully those Lama titles have to be granted and endorsed by the central government. All the brave soldiers were gone and Tibet was converted to generally peaceful place, with a side effect that most of people being extremely poor slaves with zero human rights.

    So the thing is that, if the current Dalai Lama dies, the Chinese government can lawfully exterminate his religious inheritance as a branch of the Lamas within Tibet.

    While current Tibet is rapidly moving ahead with great prosperity, with which everyone can see from many YouTube videos, the exiles will get completely isolated from the majority of Tibet, rendering them zero opportunity to come back to reclaim their slavery regime.
     
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    Indian news paper article Crying on refusal of Nepal , Srilanka , Malidives to help India in current tension with China over Bhutan

    In South Asia, be the Un-China



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    India needs to rekindle the SAARC process in order to secure historical affinity with its neighbours

    As the stand-off between the Indian and Chinese militaries enters its third month at Doklam, it is not just Bhutan that is keenly anticipating the potential fallout. The entire neighbourhood is watching. There is obvious interest in how the situation plays out and the consequent change in the balance of power between India and China in South Asia. India’s other neighbours are likely to take away their own lessons about dealing with their respective

    “tri-junctions” both real and imagined, on land and in the sea. A Chinese defence official was hoping to press that nerve with India’s neighbours when he told a visiting delegation of Indian journalists this week that China could well “enter Kalapani” — an area near Pithoragarh in Uttarakhand that lies along an undefined India-Nepal boundary and a tri-junction with China — or “even Kashmir” with a notional India-China-Pakistan trijunction.

    Buzzword is equidistance

    Perhaps, it is for this reason that governments in the region have refused to show their hand in the Doklam conflict. “Nepal will not get dragged into this or that side in the border dispute,” Nepal’s Deputy Prime Minister Krishna Bahadur Mahara said ahead of a meeting with External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, who had travelled to Kathmandu for the Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC) regional summit. Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang will be in Kathmandu next week, and Nepal’s Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba in Delhi the week after.

    Making a similar point while speaking at a conference on public relations this week, a Sri Lankan Minister in Colombo contended that India and China are “both important” to Sri Lanka. Bhutan’s Foreign Ministry has stuck to its line, blaming China for violating agreements at Doklam, but not mentioning India. Columnists in the country too are increasingly advocating that Bhutan distance itself from both Indian and Chinese positions.

    A policy of ‘equidistance’ for our closest neighbours is a far cry from India’s past primacy in the region and something South Block can hardly be sanguine about. Yet, it is a slow path each of the neighbours (minus Bhutan) has taken in the past few years. When the Maldives first turfed private infrastructure group GMR out of its contract to develop Male airport in 2012, few could have imagined the situation today with Chinese companies having bagged contracts to most infrastructure projects. This includes development of a key new island and its link to the capital Male and a 50-year lease to another island for a tourism project.

    Similarly, when the then Prime Minister of Nepal K.P. Sharma Oli signed a transit trade treaty and agreement on infrastructure linkages with China in late 2015-2016, Ministry of External Affairs mandarins had brushed it off as a “bluff”. Today, China is building a railway to Nepal, opening up Lhasa-Kathmandu road links, and has approved a soft loan of over $200 million to construct an airport at Pokhara. According to the Investment Board Nepal, at a two-day investment summit in March this year, Chinese investors contributed $8.2 billion, more than 60% of the foreign direct investment commitments made by the seven countries present.

    Sri Lanka’s Hambantota port construction project went to the Chinese in 2007 only after India rejected it. Today, China doesn’t just own 80% of the port; it has also won practically every infrastructure contract from Hambantota to Colombo. Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to Bangladesh last October was another such overture, with $24 billion committed in infrastructure and energy projects. Earlier this year, the largely state-owned Chinese consortium, Himalaya Energy, won a bid for three gas fields in Bangladesh’s north-east shoulder from the American company Chevron, which together account for more than half of the country’s total gas output.

    Even if Pakistan is not counted in this list, it is not hard to see which way India’s immediate neighbours, which are each a part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), are headed in the next few years. More pointedly, once the investment flows in, it will be that much harder for them to stave off a more strategic presence which China is now more unabashed about.

    If one of the aims of the action in Doklam is to save Bhutan from the same fate, then what else must India do to ensure that China doesn’t succeed in creating similar space for itself in a country that stood by India in its objections to BRI, and bring its other neighbours back?

    Rebooting SAARC

    To begin with, India must regain its role as a prime mover of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC), the organisation it abandoned a year ago over its problems with Pakistan. Despite sneers all around, SAARC has survived three decades in spite of its biggest challenge, India-Pakistan tensions. That New Delhi would cancel its attendance at the summit to be held in Pakistan in the wake of the Uri attack, winning support from other countries similarly affected by terrorism such as Bangladesh and Afghanistan, is understandable. But a year later, the fact that there have been no steps taken to restore the SAARC process is unfortunate.

    This will hurt the South Asian construct and further loosen the bonds that tie all the countries together, thereby making it easier for China to make inroads. It should be remembered that despite China’s repeated requests, SAARC was one club it never gained admittance to. For all the Narendra Modi government’s promotion of alternate groupings such as South Asia Subregional Economic Cooperation (SASEC), BIMSTEC, the Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal (BBIN) Initiative and Security and Growth for All in the Region (SAGAR), none will come close to SAARC’s comprehensive cogency.

    Second, India must recognise that picking sides in the politics of its neighbours makes little difference to China’s success there. In Sri Lanka, the Sirisena government hasn’t changed course when it comes to China, and despite its protestations that it was saddled with debt by the Rajapaksa regime, it has made no moves to clear that debt while signing up for more. The United Progressive Alliance government made a similar mistake when President Mohamed Nasheed was ousted in the Maldives, only to find that subsequent governments did little to veer away from Chinese influence.

    India made its concerns about the then Prime Minister Oli very clear, and was even accused of helping Pushpa Kamal Dahal ‘Prachanda’ to replace him in 2016, yet Nepal’s eager embrace of Chinese infrastructure and trade to develop its difficult terrain has not eased. In Bangladesh too, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, who has overseen the closest ties with New Delhi over the past decade, has also forged ahead on ties with China. Should her Awami

    League lose next year’s election, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party will most certainly strengthen the shift towards China. In Bhutan’s election, also next year, it is necessary that India picks no side, for nothing could be worse than if the Doklam stand-off becomes an India-versus-China China election issue.

    A policy of respect

    Above all, India must recognise that doing better with its neighbours is not about investing more or undue favours. It is about following a policy of mutual interests and of respect, which India is more culturally attuned to than its large rival is. Each of India’s neighbours shares more than a geographical context with India. They share history, language, tradition and even cuisine. With the exception of Pakistan, none of them sees itself as a rival to India, or India as inimical to its sovereignty. As an Indian diplomat put it, when dealing with Beijing bilaterally, New Delhi must match China’s aggression, and counter its moves with its own. When dealing with China in South Asia, however, India must do exactly the opposite, and not allow itself to be outpaced. In short, India must “be the Un-China”.

    suhasini.h@thehindu.co.in

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    Convoy consisting of thousands of military vehicles spotted on its way to Tibet. Pics posted then hastily removed.
     
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    Yeap,I saw the picture itself but then decided not to post for strategic/security advantage purposes :D
     
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    I felt a bit strange what India is looking for? Apparently Indian will not get what they want unless they want a full scale war. Why is it better for them than for China? This is opportunity for China to take care of India once for all. It is definitely better to happen now than in 2027 or 2007.


    South China Sea is done. China won. What else do you want in that region, pretend they still have a chance?
     
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    As much as you imagine yourself to be some sort of regional king, that's quite far away from the truth.

    I wouldn't expect someone whose life is constantly under surveillance from state authorities lest he digress, to understand this.

    But China is undoing all of Asia's progress if this becomes a conflict.

    Europe and USA will emerge as world powers again and we both will be where we started off 39 years ago.
     
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    I advice my indian brothers to bow down humbly and sincerely ask for forgiveness from benevolent China while you still have time. But then again i'm excited to see indian loud mouths finally put to an end so just ignore my advice lol.
     
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    Unlike u pakistanis who need masters from time to time India bows to no one. Chinese will have no guts enough of ur daddy's warning India is prepared lets c when ur daddy will gather courage and follow the laughable warning.
     
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    You bowed to us for centuries and then you bowed to the British for a century. What are you talking about?
     
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    To "us", sigh.....here comes another one of those....
     
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