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  1. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 SENIOR MEMBER

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    PLEASE NOTE : This article is from Air & Cosmos magazine which is a highly popular french magazine .Well as the pdf was in jpeg format i could nt translate it directly by copy pasting the article into google translate ,so i had to personally type all the french word in google translate & translate it ,so if by chance if there is any mistake in translation plz forgive me & also correct me.
    REGARDS



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    Duels above the sand

    Saint Dizier November 8,
    A first wave of three Rafale of EC- 1/ 7th "provence" leaves the Haute-Marne for horizons much desertiques.Direction Arab Emirates (UAE) and; Air Base to Al Dhafia, no exercise for any fighter pilot in the world would miss the; advanced tactical leadership race, organized yearly by the UAE-ment. A total of six gust seventh join two waves of three aircraft based in Emirati 2009.ls this fall are accompanied by 15 pilots, of various backgrounds and experiences. All took the opportunity to come in trainer on a playground out of the ordinary: three times larger than the "range" of Red Flag, the Air Warfare Centre was created in 2000 in favor of the Gulf countries and their main allies that are s states U.S., Britain and France and other nations invitees punctually each year. The AWC has Emirati also the last word in matters of reproduction equipment allowing a very precise briefing at the end of each mission
    In 2009, the Rafale is participating for the first time at Advanced Tactical Leadership Course. But another poster invites outstanding shares: the F22 raptor American, including the U.S. Air Force has six planes Depeche piecing the 27 th Fighter Squadron, based in Langle y Air Force Base. Designed for the purpose of year quatr e-nineties, the American fighter is the fighter most modern in service today. It combines extraordinary aerodynamic performance has a very high stealth, but also has
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    weapons system built around a powerful Actively Electronically scanned radar and passive sensors whose operation is similar in principle to that of SPECTRA. Size of able to intercept at high altitude and in the dogfight: he has for that a thrust vector that guides the exhaust of its two engine in the vertical plane, providing extra maneuverability in all phases of flight.
    On paper, the F 22 Raptor and the Rafale have not much to see. While the aircraft was American (the most expensive fighter in the world) has been designed as a Plane ultimate air defense, the French jet aircraft remains a versatile and "affordable." The Both planes are not even competing on the international market: Washington and refuses to export its raptor, which is remain the "secret weapon" during a high intensity aerial conflict.
    The 2009 edition of advanced tactical leadership race will be all the same pretext in the first clash between the two planes

    A defeat for five draws

    The U.S. airforce has, however, poses stringent conditions surrounding this confrontation: the Raptor has not participated in any Beyond Visual Range exercise with any foreign planes. American Pilots accept only to compete in a dogfight 1 against 1 against teams that participate in the exercise.The pilots' s EC 1/7 seize their chance ... and the results are rather encouraging:
    On six times, only one would have resulted, after the pilots of French, has a clear victory over the F 22 Raptor. The other five would have ended on a "draw", that is to say a situation of equality that can be obtained by various parameters: duel drags on beyond

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    predefined time, depressing the "high-level" fixed for the year ...

    Two main parameters give the advantage to the Raptor in dogfight: its thrust vector and the immense power conferred by its two engines, which each deliver near twice the thrust of the M88! Although it is much heavier than the Rafale, the F-22 retains a formidable maneuverability that allows him to leave the most delicate situations BFM; same degrades if a lot of energy during impact operations at very high, it may be rapidly recovered by the engines. But the pilots are careful to qualify the Raptor invulnerable:
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    things are very different. The APG 77 radar performance and low radar signature of the aircraft, together with the ability to evolve in very high altitude (up to 65,000 ft) and Mach 1.7 without using the afterburner make the bird virtually untouchable ...

    Performance Spectra amaze

    The airmen of "Provence" leaving Al Dhafra December 12, after having accumulated 320 hours flying over 182 attractions. Many complex commitments have once again to demonstrate the versatility of the French fighter. an example: on a mission of bombarding Dement, the number two of a patrol of four Rafale dropped GPS-guided AASM six on six different objectives, while taking three Mica on hostile tracks ... all in just over a minute. The debriefing will show that the six objectives, apart near 50 km, were all destroyed, while two enemy aircraft were beaten by a missile hanging francais.Comme Red Flag, the French also praise the performance of Spectra in the location of ground-air threats: the Rafale made to advanced tactical leadership race would have been able to perfectly fulfill the mission of destroying defenses enemy air (SEAD) alongside the F-16 CJ U.S., which is the main mission. Now proven multirole capability that will allow the Rafale to finally make the difference against its competitors.





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    Well it's amazing despite being a 4.5 gen fighter rafale did manage to get a win out of 6 engagements & 5 were drawn in the aerial exercise between rafale & F22 in (ATLC) in 2009.Yes the aerial wargame was fought in within visual range ,if that fight have been fought in beyond visual range the result couldnt have been the same .But 1 thing was indeed worth mentioning that rafale performed impressively well despite being fielded a generation ahead plane like that F 22 raptor.
     
  2. forcetrip

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    Thank you for the work you put in. Interesting read.
     
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    great work buddy.

    undoubtedly rafy will be the meanest bird in this region.
     
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    Yup interesting read and good work doctor no. 999

    Now weve got rafa but in this region nobody has roger . lol So sad !!:lol:
     
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    well ofcourse this aerial exercise proves that Rafale in within visual range warfare can challenge any fighter whether it is 4th or 5th
    gen fighter
     
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    Thank you India for buying our Raffy, hope you guys enjoy your new toy, this baby will put the IAF ahead of many of the Asian nations as well. Friend is in the French Airforce and pilots these birds says its one awesome jet.
     
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    We are looking for strong relationship with France…believe it is going strong day by day.
     
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    Sommy.. You remember my words saying half a squadron of Raffy is enough for a full squadron of that black "invincible" one we were talking about.

    Hope we both agree on that one.! ;)
     
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    Interesting. Rafale's EO pods, EW and surv systems are excellent. The main advantage of F-22 is stealth and APG-77.
     
  10. DrSomnath999

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    Infact mate we are honoured to have such a great jet like RAFALE in our airforce .& we wish rafale's worth would be admired not only by India & france but by many other countries like Brazil ,UAE & Malaysia .


    Just cant wait to see this sight :D
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  11. tvsram1992

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    We get the worlds best dog fighters . Mki's,Rafale and future FGFA .
     
  12. DrSomnath999

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    Well that black invinsible is invisible only in forum :whistle:when in real combat u would see how
    avionics & ECM & high quality BVR & short range AAM of rafale toasts it's A$$ :lol:

    well not only both but oneday everyone would see with their own eyes .:agree:

    bro ,french decided to invest more on avionics & ECM to counter stealth rather than developing stealth jet .Of course they have decided to develop Neuron UCAV which would one day be also controlled by RAFALE .Yes it is not fiction it would happen one day

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  13. OrionHunter

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    Excellent stuff as usual from Somnath! :tup:

    I was particularly interested in this:

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    Now what's remarkable is that the Rafale features an advanced avionics suite which includes several passive sensor systems. The front-sector electro-optical system or Optronique Secteur Frontal TV (OSF-TV), developed by Thales, is completely integrated within the aircraft and can operate both in the visible and infrared wavelengths.

    Is that why the F-22s stealth characteristics are defeated to a large extent as can be seen in the pics above?
     
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    What is to note is that the F-22 carried its Luneberg lens in these scenario's.. and allowed the Rafale and EF to see it.
    and when it did not.. it was able to take BVR shots with impunity..
    The Rafale did however, give the F-22 a challenge within WVR since its optronic suite was able to lock on to the F-22..
    and shots with the MICA-IR were taken.. assuming that the missle did lock on and hit its target.

    Similar results were seen with the EF and ASRAAM.
     
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    So Rafale can compete with F-22 in close air to air combat. But in real life scenario, I wonder how many here believe that Rafale has any chance against F-22.