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Aaah the canards face-off again. BOth BVR and WVR would be intresting.WVR would primarily depend on the better pilot. Truly hope the frenchies engage the spectra :)
 

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Mki looses badly in

Radar-old n011 m bars pesa with peak power of just 8 kw vs rbe2 aa aesa.

Pesa lacks the lpi mode and is inferior to an aesa.thats how it goes.

If its between irbis e of su-35 with 400 km detection range for 5 m2,90 km for .01 m2 with peak power of 18 kw then it could be even

But rbe2 aa aesa>>n011 m bars pesa by a long shot


Irst-rafale's has a range of 140 km plus compared to about 90 km for best russian irst used in su-35(ols-35)

I couldn't get range of ols-30 of mki but rest assured its worse than ols-35
So here again rafale wins

Passive detection-mki has nothing like spectra

Engines-m88 of rafales have wet thrust of just 75 kn but it a fadec with high tbo

Al-31f is a useless soviet era turbofan without even a fadec and total life of just 2000 hours.

Useful load-about 8 tonnes for both but rafale requires drop tanks as the internal fuel is less.

Rcs-mki has at least 7-10 m2 compared to 1-3 m2 of rafale so its a no brainer.



All in all rafale>>>mki
There is 0 competition
 

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Mki looses badly in

Radar-old n011 m bars pesa with peak power of just 8 kw vs rbe2 aa aesa.

Pesa lacks the lpi mode and is inferior to an aesa.thats how it goes.

If its between irbis e of su-35 with 400 km detection range for 5 m2,90 km for .01 m2 with peak power of 18 kw then it could be even

But rbe2 aa aesa>>n011 m bars pesa by a long shot


Irst-rafale's has a range of 140 km plus compared to about 90 km for best russian irst used in su-35(ols-35)

I couldn't get range of ols-30 of mki but rest assured its worse than ols-35
So here again rafale wins

Passive detection-mki has nothing like spectra

Engines-m88 of rafales have wet thrust of just 75 kn but it a fadec with high tbo

Al-31f is a useless soviet era turbofan without even a fadec and total life of just 2000 hours.

Useful load-about 8 tonnes for both but rafale requires drop tanks as the internal fuel is less.

Rcs-mki has at least 7-10 m2 compared to 1-3 m2 of rafale so its a no brainer.



All in all rafale>>>mki
There is 0 competition
Let me guess as usual you are sure both planes will be using their onboard radars :tup:

Mki looses badly in


All in all rafale>>>mki
There is 0 competition
And its really great that you announced the results before the exercise :tup: you saved my time. Otherwise I would have to wait days for it.
 
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Let me guess as usual you are sure both planes will be using their onboard radars :tup:


And its really great that you announced the results before the exercise :tup: you saved my time. Otherwise I would have to wait days for it.
The point was mki is hopelessly outdated compared to rafale.
I am sorry if u don't agree
 

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Image caption: look look at this!! look at these $hit packers!!! packing their shit into LCA.. hmmmmhmmm.. packing shit behind their wives back.. and converting lca into a shit machine!!!
Go and troll someplace else
 

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The point was mki is hopelessly outdated compared to rafale.
I am sorry if u don't agree
Thats what you think. Why not let the exercise finish before jumping on conclusions ???

MKI+Bison with passive radar and data link is a formidable combination. Rafale is better but saying MKI is useless is just .... You know.

I rest my case till the exercise finish.
 

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Thats what you think. Why not let the exercise finish before jumping on conclusions ???

MKI+Bison with passive radar and data link is a formidable combination. Rafale is better but saying MKI is useless is just .... You know.

I rest my case till the exercise finish.
I was purely stating a one on one scenario between mki and rafale and that too bvr.

Wvr,anything can happen and depends on pilot too
 

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I was purely stating a one on one scenario between mki and rafale and that too bvr.

Wvr,anything can happen and depends on pilot too
In passive mode MKI vs Rafale is not as easy game for Rafale as you think.
But what can I tell you. You seems know everything and I am really nobody.
 

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In passive mode MKI vs Rafale is not as easy game for Rafale as you think.
But what can I tell you. You seems know everything and I am really nobody.
U need to back up with facts man,i never said u are wrong etc.

Only rafale's irst will detect mki earlier than the mki.
Tech is not on mki's side.

Plus I was commenting on a scenario when both jets will use whatever they want,in short both active and passive modes
 

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I was purely stating a one on one scenario between mki and rafale and that too bvr.

Wvr,anything can happen and depends on pilot too
N011M bars Radar on su-30 is hybrid of both aesa and pesa Tech how do you state that The power output is 8Kw only .many of the new batch inducted have upgraded radar have capibility to go upto 15 Kw as per reports .Well m agree on your view if Rafale uses spectra it will be on the Edge but still it lacks good BvrS if rafale were using the meteor then i will give them 80% chance but Practically sukhoi have advantage in Bvr with its R-27E/R .I still wait for direct combat senerio Its my opinion Maybe yours is different
 

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N011M bars Radar on su-30 is hybrid of both aesa and pesa Tech how do you state that The power output is 8Kw only .many of the new batch inducted have upgraded radar have capibility to go upto 15 Kw as per reports .Well m agree on your view if Rafale uses spectra it will be on the Edge but still it lacks good BvrS if rafale were using the meteor then i will give them 80% chance but Practically sukhoi have advantage in Bvr with its R-27E/R .I still wait for direct combat senerio Its my opinion Maybe yours is different
Seriously?
Is that so,15kw u said.

Go get me a link,even a blog will be accepted.

Don't manipulate facts,bars is an old radar with a 140-150 km range.
U might have read about irbis e of su-35.that one has peak power of 18kw and a detection range of 400 km
 

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N011M bars Radar on su-30 is hybrid of both aesa and pesa Tech how do you state that The power output is 8Kw only .many of the new batch inducted have upgraded radar have capibility to go upto 15 Kw as per reports .Well m agree on your view if Rafale uses spectra it will be on the Edge but still it lacks good BvrS if rafale were using the meteor then i will give them 80% chance but Practically sukhoi have advantage in Bvr with its R-27E/R .I still wait for direct combat senerio Its my opinion Maybe yours is different
Mki due to monstrous rcs will be detected way too easily compared to rafale.
 

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U need to back up with facts man,i never said u are wrong etc.

Only rafale's irst will detect mki earlier than the mki.
Tech is not on mki's side.

Plus I was commenting on a scenario when both jets will use whatever they want,in short both active and passive modes
Like I said before you already know everything.
Red flag reports are there to confirm what I said.

How about you backing your claim on first IRST detection ??? You simply cant conclude that with e data avaible on net. still you did. One rafale vs One MKI wont be one sided as MKI can out run Rafale everytime. Two rafales is different game altogether.

AWACS will be feeding radar data to MKI n Rafale. One on one might not take place as India always use MKI+Bision combination in every exercise.
Red-flag experience has already made IAF tactics value adition.
 

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