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Rafale vs. F-16 ۔ The real comparison is between the capabilities of the Pakistan air force and Indian air force

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So when iaf lobs bombs from across the border and misses their target by dozens of miles it's called bombing and going back unscathed, but if paf successfully targets 6 Indian military sites shots down 2 plane without any losses its called knocking the door?
Mate were you dropped on your head?
See my reply was to poster when he gave TAF pilot credit to PAF pilots without any proof..... just because he painted on Greek fighter it was being flown by a PAF pilot.... how kiddish....
 

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Such hubris. People on both sides of the border become victims of their over-confidence in tandem.
There is such a desparate need to over compensate.
Look at our combined military history, most blunders were commmitted on the back of over-confidence and a sevre lack of appreciation of the enemy's capabilities.
As long as both countries have idiot decision makers who inflate their own capabilities at the expense of losing opportunities to improve their actual fighting state, we will never go beyond a stalemate, which is not bad at all.
 

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Very few people know this - M. M Alam shooting down of 5 IAF jets in less than minute sent shockwaves through airforces in the world

5 jets destroyed in 60 seconds meaning approximately 12 seconds to destroy a jet. Hence in a span of 12 hours Alam can destroy 3600 jets i.e. complete airforces of many nations together

Fearing such capability Soviet, USA and NATO decided to disband their respective airforces and hide their jets in underground bunkers

Its only after 1982 retirement by Alam, did airforces of the world began the surface and operating

M. M Alam single handedly had the capability to undo human invention of flight and send the world back to 18th century

Humanity owes a great deal for his mercy
So he repeated the feat of Chuck Yeager, the first to become Ace in a single flight.
 

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If India buys F 22, we shall see article in Pakistan media comparing F22 with F16 and proving how Pakistani skilled pilots can defeat F 22 with 4 decade old F16s. They forget that US offered India the best variant of F16 specially configured for India with faith generation technologies which India has not accepted. I see this as a cover to hide their fear.
 

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If India buys F 22, we shall see article in Pakistan media comparing F22 with F16 and proving how Pakistani skilled pilots can defeat F 22 with 4 decade old F16s. They forget that US offered India the best variant of F16 specially configured for India with faith generation technologies which India has not accepted. I see this as a cover to hide their fear.
India rejected it or didn't have money to buy 116 of the most advanced and expensive F16s ever made .... then settled on just 36 Rafael aircraft.... yes anything you guys don't have money to buy is useless
 

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Such hubris. People on both sides of the border become victims of their over-confidence in tandem.
There is such a desparate need to over compensate.
Look at our combined military history, most blunders were commmitted on the back of over-confidence and a sevre lack of appreciation of the enemy's capabilities.
As long as both countries have idiot decision makers who inflate their own capabilities at the expense of losing opportunities to improve their actual fighting state, we will never go beyond a stalemate, which is not bad at all.

The dispute will never be resolved until India collapses. India can't even solve its internal land disputes and can't build a railway or road because of it.
 

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If India buys F 22, we shall see article in Pakistan media comparing F22 with F16 and proving how Pakistani skilled pilots can defeat F 22 with 4 decade old F16s. They forget that US offered India the best variant of F16 specially configured for India with faith generation technologies which India has not accepted. I see this as a cover to hide their fear.
Of course my dear !!!!! we will write the truth and facts, because the bravery of the Pakistani armed forces and the cowardice and incompetence of the Indian forces are part of the history.... Indian soldiers with modern guns forget to fire their guns. The Chinese army kills them with rod and sticks..... The Indian modern Mirage 2000 and Sukhoi run away by throwing their payload in the forest instead of targeting .... The humiliating fate of the Indian Air Force, which has the world's most advanced aircraft, is before the whole world on February 27..... More than 70% of missile tests fail when Russia's advanced missile technology comes into India's incompetent hands
 

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you are an ideal representation of what Pakistan is today in world affairs and why it is so..

with the kind of superiority you think you have in men and motivation .. the kind of support you believe Kashmiris have for you and the kind of Jazba your society seems to have for the cause, you should have rolled over India a 100 times in past 70 years..



from what you type it is clear you have done a poor quality research on PAF and probably any other topic.....

what we state is a documented fact, and here on PDF we cite posted journals, articles and book extract from independent authors on this matter.

i suggest you stop being lazy, take the time research through this forum and educate your self and the come back with some intelligent comments.

Other wise you will end up like your averagely trained air-force, ie whose arse is always handed on a plate by PAF no matter which war we fought..
 
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Of course my dear !!!!! we will write the truth and facts, because the bravery of the Pakistani armed forces and the cowardice and incompetence of the Indian forces are part of the history.... Indian soldiers with modern guns forget to fire their guns. The Chinese army kills them with rod and sticks..... The Indian modern Mirage 2000 and Sukhoi run away by throwing their payload in the forest instead of targeting .... The humiliating fate of the Indian Air Force, which has the world's most advanced aircraft, is before the whole world on February 27..... More than 70% of missile tests fail when Russia's advanced missile technology comes into India's incompetent hands
While Pakistani armed forces produce higher quality troops, WE should not assume that Indians have virtually no accomplishments in the battlefield and cannot fight. Pakistani armed forces also had the opportunity to source quality equipment from multiple countries (American; French; Swiss; South African; Turkish; Chinese; Russian) for its needs which helped us counter Indian investments in defensive applications (Russian-origin in large part), but Indians have gotten the memo eventually and are sourcing equipment from multiple countries in the present which will make difference for them in the years to come.

Few members paid attention to this fact - American Chinook helicopters were key enablers of Indian military build-up in a tough environment such as Ladakh to match Chinese military build-up in the region. This wasn't possible for Indian armed forces a few years ago, and even Chinese are like HOW. This is by no means a small feat of Indian armed forces given their sheer disparity vis-à-vis Chinese in the military front. Mature Indian assessments have pointed out as much as well.


Therefore, advanced technologies deliver even in seemingly mediocre hands and enable them to surmount overwhelming challenges when the need arises. Training, mobilization(s), and exposure helps in developing tactics with new equipment on top.

Now that Western sources are willing to offer lucrative deals to Indian on many counts, Indian armed forces will showcase substantial leaps in capability across the board. WE should be mindful of these developments and remain ever vigilant.

Not surprisingly: https://www.dawn.com/news/1534239

WE should also look for ways to escape getting trapped in a costly arms race and retain our credible minimum deterrence in the coming years. However, even this posture will become expensive in the coming years. Therefore, Pakistan have no choice but to proritize fixing its economy and socio-economic development programs.
 

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But the passion and talent of Pakistani pilots are not for sale in any market. The spirit of sacrificing one's life and the heroism for motherland are not found at shops
And you think that Indian pilots are not passionate and talentfull? You don't think they are ready to give their life for their country?
Sure they are.

Just a small information about the indian pilots after they came in France to train on the Mirage 2000 : The french trainers said they never see so skilled and gifted pilots. Never.
Same was said some months ago about indian Rafale pilots.
 

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And you think that Indian pilots are not passionate and talentfull? You don't think they are ready to give their life for their country?
Sure they are.

Just a small information about the indian pilots after they came in France to train on the Mirage 2000 : The french trainers said they never see so skilled and gifted pilots. Never.
Same was said some months ago about indian Rafale pilots.
Yes Sir !! You are right, the whole world has seen the practical proof of this in a cup of tea brand Mr Abhinandan, a man with the senior rank of Wing Commander of the Indian Air Force. that shows the real talentful class of the Indian gdp:-)
 

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And you think that Indian pilots are not passionate and talentfull? You don't think they are ready to give their life for their country?
Sure they are.
Piloting requires talent and passion to begin with so you have a point in this case. Agreed.

Just a small information about the indian pilots after they came in France to train on the Mirage 2000 : The french trainers said they never see so skilled and gifted pilots. Never.
Same was said some months ago about indian Rafale pilots.
Are you sure you are not exaggerating?
 

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The french trainers said they never see so skilled and gifted pilots. Never.

I am sure they were leagues ahead of pilots from congo...


And you think that Indian pilots are not passionate and talentfull? Y

for talented airforce, they seem to get shot down alot... and when they are not getting shot down they are busy crashing their planes giving a world record of the highest crashes any where in the world.
You don't think they are ready to give their life for their country?

no..

just bail out and have tea
 

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