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Rafale vs. F-16 ۔ The real comparison is between the capabilities of the Pakistan air force and Indian air force

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Azam shot down a Dassault Mystère IV, a Vautour and a Mirage III.
Only the last one was really state of the art in 1967.
The Israeli Air Force already had plans to phase out the Mystère IV when the six day war started. The Vautour II was a bomber. Both were phased out in 1971.
He shot down the Mystere fighter jet while flying in a Hunter which was more or less in same class as the French aircraft.
Except the Hunter has 20% more thrust. Climbs 2 times faster and has 4 x 30 mm guns instead of the 2 x 30 mm on the Mystère.
According to http://www.cieldegloire.com/016_dror_g.php,
the Mirages carried bombs, while tasked to escort the Vautours in the second action.
The Mirage pilot managed to shoot down a Hunter before he was shot down himself.
The battle ended with one Mirage and two Vautours shot down on the Israeli side, and 2 Hunters shot down on the Arab side.
 
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Except the Hunter has 20% more thrust. Climbs 2 times faster and has 4 x 30 mm guns instead of the 2 x 30 mm on the Mystère.
Was it even dogfights, or were the kills simply because the Israelis were not scanning the sky and never knew what hut them?
And i suppose you think all three kills and two subsequent by other PAF pilots were just lucky shots. Right. !!
 

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Except the Hunter has 20% more thrust. Climbs 2 times faster and has 4 x 30 mm guns instead of the 2 x 30 mm on the Mystère.
Was it even dogfights, or were the kills simply because the Israelis were not scanning the sky and never knew what hut them?
Feel free to downplay it however you want. It shows you're learning to cope with reality.
 

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It doesn't suit your kind to judge others in that sense, remember you belong to a nation whose leaders fool their nation on daily basis by fighting a two front war....whatever their age or spirit maybe, but their head is certainly stuck up where Sun don't shine.
We are still ready for two front war.... China in stand off with her powerful army in our east and you waiting for a green signal from China to do something noughty in west.... still if you ask us to back off from Kashmir we will say NA MUNNA NA..... what can you do??
 

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We are still ready for two front war.... China in stand off with her powerful army in our east and you waiting for a green signal from China to do something noughty in west.... still if you ask us to back off from Kashmir we will say NA MUNNA NA..... what can you do??
Na bachey.....we are watching and enjoying the show how you try to intimidate the likes of Nepal, Bhutan and other small countries but after losing hundred of square miles territory to China who also openly clubbed your soldiers....you still call it a stand off.....after all what CAN you do except giving out daily statements. :lol:
 

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Na bachey.....we are watching and enjoying the show how you try to intimidate the likes of Nepal, Bhutan and other small countries but after losing hundred of square miles territory to China who also openly clubbed your soldiers....you still call it a stand off.....after all what CAN you do except giving out daily statements. :lol:
You always ignore ground realities and this is why no one can argue with you logically....
 

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Last time when the Greek F-16s got “painted” by the TurAF F-16s over the East Med, a couple of the French AF Rafaels were lurking nearby!! But, they didn’t come to the aid of their Hellenic brethren.....

The Greek defense analysts are now alleging that PAF pilots man the Turkish F-16s while flying over the Greek occupied islands.....

*For some reason, the mindset and body language of the Turkish pilots have become very aggressive, which gets reflected in their encounters with the Greek fighters
 
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And i suppose you think all three kills and two subsequent by other PAF pilots were just lucky shots. Right. !!
No, I am saying that he had the superior aircraft vs two of the opponents, and we really do not know what happened when the Mirage was shot down.
That makes it hard to draw any conclusions at all.
The Mirage pilot went ahead and became an Ace later, so perhaps his fighting skills was improved by the negative feedback.
 

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Last time when the Greek F-16s got “painted” by the TurAF F-16s over the East Med, a couple of the French AF Rafaels were lurking nearby!! But, they didn’t come to the aid of their Hellenic brethren.....

The Greek defense analysts are now alleging that PAF pilots man the Turkish F-16s while flying over the Greek occupied islands.....

*For some reason, the mindset and body language of the Turkish pilots have become very aggressive, which gets reflected in their encounters with the Greek fighters
Now anything just for a sake of it....

Where were those full of attitude PAF pilots when IAF bombed an undisputed territory of Pakistan and returned unscathed????

Yes they knocked the door and ran away next day no doubt..... but again where were they on 5th August and where are they right now when iron brother and Hyper power China is in stand off with India???
 

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With the exception of NATO combat exercises, the F-16 and the Rafale have never met in any real air combat. So people are wondering if the Pakistan Air Force's 30-year-old version of the F-16 will be able to compete with India's latest Rafale.

My rational and logical answer is that in cricket, the ability of a batsman is more important than the quality of the bat and the skill of an aviator plays a decisive role in aerial warfare.

The measure of a country's superiority in this cold war era is the capability of its warplanes and the modernity of other weapons. Therefore, every major country is in the race to become a super-military power by building more powerful fighter jets and destructive weapons than others. In fact, the economy of all major countries today is largely dependent on the arms industry, its demand and sale in the world market.

The lucrative armaments industry in Europe and the United States is alive and billions of dollars can be earned from the arms trade by creating hot climate of war and border tensions around the world.

After the humiliating defeat in Ladakh, the United States and European countries are exacerbating fears of a sense of inferiority in India, urging it to buy more and more advanced weapons. Under this pretext, their arms business is growing. And the corruption kingdoms of Narendra Modi are creating opportunities for the government to make money from commissions

The world knows that India lacks the art and the courage to use its sophisticated weapons to harm others. But India, the greatest enemy of peace, is a master at conspiracy theories in other countries, such as the Mukti Bahini, PTT and anti-state terrorism patronage of Baloch insurgents.

The Rafale vs. F-16 is more of a competition between US and French armaments than a comparison of Pakistani and Indian aircraft. Where India, despite doubling its apparent military might, suffers from an incurable feeling of inferiority, fearing the terror of Pakistani missiles and the magical capabilities of pilots.

Design, engine and basic features

Rafale is a 4.5 generation double-engine fighter and F-16 is a fourth generation single engine aircraft. The wingspan of the Raphael is 10.90 meters and that of the F16 is 9.96 meters. The length of the Raphael is 15.30 meters and that of the F-16 is 15.06 meters. Therefore, in terms of volume, the two planes are almost identical.

The empty Rafale weighs 10 tons while the F-16 weighs 9.2 tons. Raphael can carry 24.5 tons of weapons. The F-16 has a payload capacity of 21.7 tons. Therefore, due to the large number of weapons in the Rafale, it seems to have an apparent advantage over the F-16 in air combat. But according to world observers, Pakistani fighter pilots are far ahead of Indian fighter pilots in air combating skills.

Comparison of speed and combat radius

In the strike capability the F-16 has a clear lead over Rafale. The combat radius of F-16 is 4220 km but Rafale’s is only 3700 km. Pakistani F-16 also has a lead over Rafale in speed. The Rafale has a top speed of 2130 km ph while the F-16 has a range of 2414 km ph. With a greater ceiling ability of 300 meters per second Rafale has an advantage over F-16’s 254 meters per second. However, the altitude of both planes is 50,000 feet.

Comparison of weapons

The Rafale is equipped with Mica air-to-air missiles, SCALP long-range missiles, laser-guided bombs, AM39 anti-ship missiles, GIAT-30 guns, meteor long-range air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons. F-16 can hit 20 targets identified in 84 km radius and Rafale can hit 40 targets identified in 100 km radius

On the other hand, F-16 has Penguin anti-ship missiles, cluster bombs, runway destroyers, AIM 9 sidewinder short-range air missiles, AIM-120 mid-range air missiles, GPS-guided bombs and other deadly Arms. The F-16 can also has nuclear weapons, conventional drop-bomb capabilities and a 20mm Vulcan gun.

According to the bragging Indian media, Rafale is equipped with semi-stealth technology but the F16 doesn't have that capability. Therefore, the combination of India's SU-30 and the Rafale would be disastrous for the Pakistan Air Force.

But Indian media should remember the Operation Swift Retort and the humiliating horror of the Indian Air Force with Russian SU-30 and Sukhoi, French Mirage 2000 and the British Jaguar. Pakistan old version F-16, self-made JF-17 Thunder and the 50 year old Mirage taught them a historical lesson that will always be remembered

The history of Pakistani pilots performance is more than an excellent. The Israeli planes that were destroyed by Pakistani pilots in the Arab-Israeli war were also much more powerful than the Arab planes. And in the Afghan war, Pakistan’s old version fighter jets successfully competed the latest Russian war planes of that time.

Where will India bring in air warfare artists like Pakistani M. M Alam who shot down 5 Indian jets within less than a minute and expert aviators like Hassan Siddiqui and Noman Khan who shot down modern Indian planes with old Pakistani planes.

Rafale can be bought from France, Indian pilots can be trained from USA and Israel. But the passion and talent of Pakistani pilots are not for sale in any market. The spirit of sacrificing one's life and the heroism for motherland are not found at shops

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Don't compare apples and oranges, it was / is a man behind the machines who makes / made difference.
 

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Now anything just for a sake of it....

Where were those full of attitude PAF pilots when IAF bombed an undisputed territory of Pakistan and returned unscathed????

Yes they knocked the door and ran away next day no doubt..... but again where were they on 5th August and where are they right now when iron brother and Hyper power China is in stand off with India???
So when iaf lobs bombs from across the border and misses their target by dozens of miles it's called bombing and going back unscathed, but if paf successfully targets 6 Indian military sites shots down 2 plane without any losses its called knocking the door?
Mate were you dropped on your head?
 

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