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Rafale vs. F-16 ۔ The real comparison is between the capabilities of the Pakistan air force and Indian air force

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Which F 16 model is compared to Rafale should be mentioned. F 16 is a very old plane and exist in Many blocks with warried capabilities.
More important than the aircraft version is to talk about the skills and performance history of Pakistani pilots and Indian pilots. A batsman's ability and performance history is more important than the quality of a his cricket bat
 

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More important than the aircraft version is to talk about the skills and performance history of Pakistani pilots and Indian pilots. A batsman's ability and performance history is more important than the quality of a his cricket bat
Indian pilots are well known for their skills. You say this because you have inferior planes, Neither PAF' s plane can match IAF planes in capabilities nor Pakistani pilot are any match to Indian pilots. India picks and choose better than the best and put them are put to rigorous training. Indian pilots have participated in exercise with best airforces in the world including red flag, with UK, US, Russia, France etc. Their Performance was always been appreciated.
 

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Indian pilots are well known for their skills. You say this because you have inferior planes, Neither PAF' s plane can match IAF planes in capabilities nor Pakistani pilot are any match to Indian pilots. India picks and choose better than the best and put them are put to rigorous training. Indian pilots have participated in exercise with best airforces in the world including red flag, with UK, US, Russia, France etc. Their Performance was always been appreciated.
Yeah!!!!!!! Thats why the Indian pilots really deserve for memorable cup of tea🍵
 

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With the exception of NATO combat exercises, the F-16 and the Rafale have never met in any real air combat. So people are wondering if the Pakistan Air Force's 30-year-old version of the F-16 will be able to compete with India's latest Rafale.

My rational and logical answer is that in cricket, the ability of a batsman is more important than the quality of the bat and the skill of an aviator plays a decisive role in aerial warfare.

The measure of a country's superiority in this cold war era is the capability of its warplanes and the modernity of other weapons. Therefore, every major country is in the race to become a super-military power by building more powerful fighter jets and destructive weapons than others. In fact, the economy of all major countries today is largely dependent on the arms industry, its demand and sale in the world market.

The lucrative armaments industry in Europe and the United States is alive and billions of dollars can be earned from the arms trade by creating hot climate of war and border tensions around the world.

After the humiliating defeat in Ladakh, the United States and European countries are exacerbating fears of a sense of inferiority in India, urging it to buy more and more advanced weapons. Under this pretext, their arms business is growing. And the corruption kingdoms of Narendra Modi are creating opportunities for the government to make money from commissions

The world knows that India lacks the art and the courage to use its sophisticated weapons to harm others. But India, the greatest enemy of peace, is a master at conspiracy theories in other countries, such as the Mukti Bahini, PTT and anti-state terrorism patronage of Baloch insurgents.

The Rafale vs. F-16 is more of a competition between US and French armaments than a comparison of Pakistani and Indian aircraft. Where India, despite doubling its apparent military might, suffers from an incurable feeling of inferiority, fearing the terror of Pakistani missiles and the magical capabilities of pilots.

Design, engine and basic features

Rafale is a 4.5 generation double-engine fighter and F-16 is a fourth generation single engine aircraft. The wingspan of the Raphael is 10.90 meters and that of the F16 is 9.96 meters. The length of the Raphael is 15.30 meters and that of the F-16 is 15.06 meters. Therefore, in terms of volume, the two planes are almost identical.

The empty Rafale weighs 10 tons while the F-16 weighs 9.2 tons. Raphael can carry 24.5 tons of weapons. The F-16 has a payload capacity of 21.7 tons. Therefore, due to the large number of weapons in the Rafale, it seems to have an apparent advantage over the F-16 in air combat. But according to world observers, Pakistani fighter pilots are far ahead of Indian fighter pilots in air combating skills.

Comparison of speed and combat radius

In the strike capability the F-16 has a clear lead over Rafale. The combat radius of F-16 is 4220 km but Rafale’s is only 3700 km. Pakistani F-16 also has a lead over Rafale in speed. The Rafale has a top speed of 2130 km ph while the F-16 has a range of 2414 km ph. With a greater ceiling ability of 300 meters per second Rafale has an advantage over F-16’s 254 meters per second. However, the altitude of both planes is 50,000 feet.

Comparison of weapons

The Rafale is equipped with Mica air-to-air missiles, SCALP long-range missiles, laser-guided bombs, AM39 anti-ship missiles, GIAT-30 guns, meteor long-range air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons. F-16 can hit 20 targets identified in 84 km radius and Rafale can hit 40 targets identified in 100 km radius

On the other hand, F-16 has Penguin anti-ship missiles, cluster bombs, runway destroyers, AIM 9 sidewinder short-range air missiles, AIM-120 mid-range air missiles, GPS-guided bombs and other deadly Arms. The F-16 can also has nuclear weapons, conventional drop-bomb capabilities and a 20mm Vulcan gun.

According to the bragging Indian media, Rafale is equipped with semi-stealth technology but the F16 doesn't have that capability. Therefore, the combination of India's SU-30 and the Rafale would be disastrous for the Pakistan Air Force.

But Indian media should remember the Operation Swift Retort and the humiliating horror of the Indian Air Force with Russian SU-30 and Sukhoi, French Mirage 2000 and the British Jaguar. Pakistan old version F-16, self-made JF-17 Thunder and the 50 year old Mirage taught them a historical lesson that will always be remembered

The history of Pakistani pilots performance is more than an excellent. The Israeli planes that were destroyed by Pakistani pilots in the Arab-Israeli war were also much more powerful than the Arab planes. And in the Afghan war, Pakistan’s old version fighter jets successfully competed the latest Russian war planes of that time.

Where will India bring in air warfare artists like Pakistani M. M Alam who shot down 5 Indian jets within less than a minute and expert aviators like Hassan Siddiqui and Noman Khan who shot down modern Indian planes with old Pakistani planes.

Rafale can be bought from France, Indian pilots can be trained from USA and Israel. But the passion and talent of Pakistani pilots are not for sale in any market. The spirit of sacrificing one's life and the heroism for motherland are not found at shops

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That is a feel good kiss the mirror mindset---. Do not underestimate the indian pilots and do not underestimate their bravery---.

To all the BLING PAKISTANIS----Abhinandan---flew in his OBSOLETE MIG21 towards the incoming fighter aircraft and showed no fear---.

Even after coming down---he still showed no fear on the ground even after being beat up---.

The Paf has shown the indians what to do to combat them and many a Paf retd officers have gone on the TV and made those disclosures---.

Paf has only a certainnumber of frontline fighter aircraft pilots---after that X number is neutered in war---rest is easy sailing for the indian airforce---.

Because they have a larger number of superior aircraft---whose piulots may not be exactly as superior to the elite of PAF---but once the elite Paf pilots are take out at a higher cost of enemy aircraft---then the indian pilots would run thru the second tier Paf pilots like a hot knife thru butter----.

It happened in 1965---it happened in 1971---second tiered Paf pilots were shot down by top tiered indian pilots.

Mr Butt---wars are a brutal thing---. The IAF just has to find that one CHINK in the PAF armor---when it does that---it will tear thru the Paf ranks.

Paf at first does not have the numbers---secondly---the Paf has only kept the land options alive---leaving the sea options to the enemy---.

One day---the enemy will get brave enough to face losses just to overcome this stamp of " cowardice "---.
Rafale's been around for 30 years now, never seen action in its entire lifespan. Yet, people brag about it, F-16 has a proven record. Israel shot down 44 Syrian Planes with F-16s in a single air battle. Pakistan shot down 8 Soviet aircraft with its F-16s and an Indian Mig-21 last year.
Go and search for the rafale's record, all you will find is *cricket noises*

Hi,

Don't jump too high young man----lest you twist your ankle.

The Rafale is a top tier aircraft of the world #3 SUPER POWER---which makes it by default the most superior aircraft in its class---.

The adversaries ahead of it are the F35, The F22, The J20---and these aircraft are ahead because of the generation they belong to---.

In the non stealth class---the Rafale leads in the blue skies---.
 
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Don't jump too high young man----lest you twist your ankle.

The Rafale is a top tier aircraft of the world #3 SUPER POWER---which makes it by default the most superior aircraft in its class---.

The adversaries ahead of it are the F35, The F22, The J20---and these aircraft are ahead because of the generation they belong to---.

In the non stealth class---the Rafale leads in the blue skies---.
We are not allowed to post more regarding what we were talking about in the Shaheen thread. I will try here.

With the induction of aesa radar---you will have to separare the haves and have nots---.
Can good AWACS and Electronic warfare planes overcome the AESA technical advantage? obviously not the training differences.


The Rafale has AESA and is borderline stealth. So is the Rafale actually the game changer Indians say it is, at least against PAF? IAF lack of trained pilots and planes being the upside for the PAF?

Which means---that by default of the change---the F16's would become obsolete---maybe at a faster pace than we are anticipating now---which could be inversely protional to our induction of aesa radar as wellas that of the enemy's induction as well.
that applys to all air forces. If AWACS cannot compensate then non AESA equipped planes become little more than targets. Either upgrade or your pilots will be ded vs aesa planes (supported by _NOBODY_s comment that the J-10 raped the Su-35 that had no AESA radar).

But even if an air force begins upgrades today they will soon mostly have an obsolete air force against the aesa first movers, right?

haha the bar is always moving, those brilliant egg heads know how to keep making money. tank armor vs gun, radar vs stealth....
 
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We are not allowed to post more regarding what we were talking about in the Shaheen thread. I will try here.



Can good AWACS and Electronic warfare planes overcome the AESA technical advantage? obviously not the training differences.


The Rafale has AESA and is borderline stealth. So is the Rafale actually the game changer Indians say it is, at least against PAF? IAF lack of trained pilots and planes being the upside for the PAF?



that applys to all air forces. If AWACS cannot compensate then non AESA equipped planes become little more than targets. Either upgrade or your pilots will be ded vs aesa planes (supported by _NOBODY_s comment that the J-10 raped the Su-35 that had no AESA radar).

But even if an air force begins upgrades today they will soon mostly have an obsolete air force against the aesa first movers, right?

haha the bar is always moving, those brilliant egg heads know how to keep making money. tank armor vs gun, radar vs stealth....




_NOBODY_ said the J-10 was able to rape a Su-35 with no AESA.

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Hi,

It always goes back to the old adage " a gunfighter stands alone " ( if there was one ). Fighter pilots are True Modern Day Cowboys---gun slingers as you may call them---.

They love the intensity of one on one combat for which they have trained for years and years and before training they dreamt of it---. All their lives---they have programmed themselves for the 'merge'---turn and take the opponent out---.

Now suddenly---you have an aesa radar & a BVR missile---that silently---without the enemy knowing detects the enemy aircraft position--you lock your BVR missile at the enemy and send it on its way---by the time the enemy aircraft finds out about the incoming missile---he is done.

It is like someone who has been trained to be a knife fighter all his life---and now you are telling him that he is assigned to be a SNIPER---. This transition goes totally against the psyche of the soldier---. He is used to shoving his knife or the broad sword right to the hilt in the enemy's chest and now you are telling him he cannot do that----you will have to kill the enemy from 20 / 30 miles away---.

When you want to make the samurai honor disappear---the task and transition is not easy---.

Look at Japan---in 1500---Japan had more modern gun powder operated weapons of warfare than in the 1800---because they did not like the usage of " AESA RADAR "---. For them---there was no honor in death---.

In our area---the awacs would be done and dusted in the first two days if not three---and not in all scenarios---the awacs would be present even on day one---. The fighter aircraft will have to fight their own wars in their own groups against the enemy---.

Whomsoever has aesa radar---is a better trained pilot with " more flight training hours a year per Chuck Yeager ) will get the upper hand.

As for the Rafale---it the most advanced aircraft in the world after the 5th gen aircraft---.

Paf blundered in not taking this aircraft seriously---. They assumed that they will build their own aircraft----the JF17---which would be ready in 2-3 years and would go to battle for them---.

Little t=did they realize about the " growing pains & Integrations and pilots training etc etc etc" which being on a realistic scale for a modern brand new aircraft is about roughly 15 years---.

Paf thought that they would be strutting around after 5 years---.
More important than the aircraft version is to talk about the skills and performance history of Pakistani pilots and Indian pilots. A batsman's ability and performance history is more important than the quality of a his cricket bat
Hi,

A top notch batsman will excel with a top notch BAT---.

4.5 gen aircraft with the participation of the aircraft's smart electronics flight systems and EW package help the pilot to a totally different level of flight experience---.

It is now the machine that is handled by a capable operator that makes the difference---.

The man behind the machine---just by itself has always been a BS---the whole story is never told---.

The machine has to have substance to to make the man do something---.

Never under estimate a LARGE ENEMY---it just needs only one chance to find the KINK in your armour to break through---.
 
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Indian pilots are well known for their skills. You say this because you have inferior planes, Neither PAF' s plane can match IAF planes in capabilities nor Pakistani pilot are any match to Indian pilots. India picks and choose better than the best and put them are put to rigorous training. Indian pilots have participated in exercise with best airforces in the world including red flag, with UK, US, Russia, France etc. Their Performance was always been appreciated.
kooch tu sharam kerlo...bay sharam insaan...
 

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Hi,

That is a feel good kiss the mirror mindset---. Do not underestimate the indian pilots and do not underestimate their bravery---.

To all the BLING PAKISTANIS----Abhinandan---flew in his OBSOLETE MIG21 towards the incoming fighter aircraft and showed no fear---.
Flying deaf and blind not knowing his location is indeed an act of bravery in your books.
Even after coming down---he still showed no fear on the ground even after being beat up---.
Even after coming down, he was asking , is this India....shocked and bewildered is what you call no fear.
The Paf has shown the indians what to do to combat them and many a Paf retd officers have gone on the TV and made those disclosures---.
Why has the IAF never capitalised on it, maybe you are wasting your self here....why not expand your expertise to them....after all you consider your self better than those running the show in both PAF and IAF.
Paf has only a certainnumber of frontline fighter aircraft pilots---after that X number is neutered in war---rest is easy sailing for the indian airforce---.
And i suppose you think every one in the IAF is an ace.....have some shame when you talk through your hat.
Because they have a larger number of superior aircraft---whose piulots may not be exactly as superior to the elite of PAF---but once the elite Paf pilots are take out at a higher cost of enemy aircraft---then the indian pilots would run thru the second tier Paf pilots like a hot knife thru butter----.
Maybe the PAF will inflict such damage to the IAF that it will lose any appetite to continue any misadventure.
It happened in 1965---it happened in 1971---second tiered Paf pilots were shot down by top tiered indian pilots.
Now you are turning tables and contradicting your self.
Mr Butt---wars are a brutal thing---. The IAF just has to find that one CHINK in the PAF armor---when it does that---it will tear thru the Paf ranks.

Paf at first does not have the numbers---secondly---the Paf has only kept the land options alive---leaving the sea options
Basically your rants are nothing more than shots in the dark and desperate attempts to remain relevant.
Sadly for you, PAF will always surprise it's enemies and spoil your day.
 

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Rafale's been around for 30 years now, never seen action in its entire lifespan. Yet, people brag about it, F-16 has a proven record. Israel shot down 44 Syrian Planes with F-16s in a single air battle. Pakistan shot down 8 Soviet aircraft with its F-16s and an Indian Mig-21 last year.
Go and search for the rafale's record, all you will find is *cricket noises*
correction and 3 su-30mki’s the Indians have not proved that they have not lost 3 su-30s. If Indian provide an independent count I.e Chinese or Russians counting their su-30s we will believe them alternatively The PAF can send a team to India to count the su-30s

till then we should clearly contend on the this forum that 5~6 su-30mkis were shot down

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correction and 3 su-30mki’s the Indians have not proved that they have not lost 3 su-30s. If Indian provide an independent count I.e Chinese or Russians counting their su-30s we will believe them alternatively The PAF can send a team to India to count the su-30s

till then we should clearly contend on the this forum that 5~6 su-30mkis were shot down

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Lol what are you talking about??
Pakistan never claimed to shoot down '3' Su-30s...
 

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Flying deaf and blind not knowing his location is indeed an act of bravery in your books.

Even after coming down, he was asking , is this India....shocked and bewildered is what you call no fear.

Why has the IAF never capitalised on it, maybe you are wasting your self here....why not expand your expertise to them....after all you consider your self better than those running the show in both PAF and IAF.

And i suppose you think every one in the IAF is an ace.....have some shame when you talk through your hat.

Maybe the PAF will inflict such damage to the IAF that it will lose any appetite to continue any misadventure.

Now you are turning tables and contradicting your self.

Basically your rants are nothing more than shots in the dark and desperate attempts to remain relevant.
Sadly for you, PAF will always surprise it's enemies and spoil your day.
Hi,

Could you just please keep posting pictures of the aircraft---.
 

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