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India placed a few orders for Rafael to begin with now there is a big queue whilst we can produce Jf-17 block 3s based on requirements by the time Tejas will enter full production we will have close to 100 block 3s and maybe 60 to 65 J10s.

Jf 17s are cheap bvr capable aircraft that we can amass with little funds that is the key point.
 

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Unsure, what you mean by the above senetense.

Is pAF pilots got any international certificates that they are better?

It is just their own believe - Every people believe that their pilots are best.
Its not about international certificates.
The point I am making "What if" India had Jf-17s in their possession and were manufacturing on their own?
India by now would have marketed the aircraft to whole world & bring in huge orders.
India would have certified the Jf-17 to its advantage in every way. But factually India does not possess the Jf-17 it has HAL Tejas which is headache for itself the way HAL has taken over 40 years to develop into what it is kinda of thing.
Still struggling.
The point is what technology one has & how efficiently they use to their advantage.
Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.
 

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Seems Bakhtoras have just woken up from a coma as this is at least few years old video.
The bottom line is... When was the last time the IAF delivered in its missions while facing air opposition.
 

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It is shameful that people like Shahid Latif make bold claims and belittle jets such as Rafale which is considered one of the best 4.5++ Gen Jet of the century, He could rather focus on the positives of Thunders but trying to belittle top of the line French technology which is considered best of the best is just shameful!

Sir,

This video was made in a different time---years ago.

No need to insult your soldier who gave us the JF17.

Maybe you need to learn a lesson from Indians.

There is no one more qualified than AVM Latif on this topic.

You are in the " WAR ZONE ".

The JF17 BLK 3 should be coming out shortly---. A lot will be revealed then or may be not.

" yeh tau jahaz hein---inhayn settle karnay kay liay saal ha saal lagtay hein ".

Just remember that.
 
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Its not about international certificates.
The point I am making "What if" India had Jf-17s in their possession and were manufacturing on their own?
India by now would have marketed the aircraft to whole world & bring in huge orders.
India would have certified the Jf-17 to its advantage in every way. But factually India does not possess the Jf-17 it has HAL Tejas which is headache for itself the way HAL has taken over 40 years to develop into what it is kinda of thing.
Still struggling.
The point is what technology one has & how efficiently they use to their advantage.
Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.

JF17 and HAL Tejas - These both are not TOP league fighter planes... technoloy. Both are kind of 3rd league after...

1st league - 5 th Gen Fighter
2nd league - Rafale, EF, Gripen, F18 super hornet, J 10 Etc...
3rd League - JF 17, Hal tejas, FA-50 Golden Eagle fighter etc...

India would have certified the Jf-17
PAF was inducted the Jf17 block1........and block 2..... But IAF would never be accepted.
It is all about your requirements. PAF was ready to accept even during the development but iAF was never agreed with HAL Tejas.

Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.

Su 30 claim is just comparable to F16 shot down claim... Both are very far from reality.

A such small incident can be win by any country... Even Iran can win against the US, and Ukraine can win against Russia.

Just for a note -Without support from China, even Pakistan can not manufacture Jf17 aircraft.
 
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JF17 and HAL Tejas - These both are not TOP league fighter planes... technoloy. Both are kind of 3rd league after...

1st league - 5 th Gen Fighter
2nd league - Rafale, EU, Gripen, F18 super hornet, J 10 Etc...
3rd League - JF 17, Hal tejas, FA-50 Golden Eagle fighter etc...

India would have certified the Jf-17
PAF was inducted the Jf17 block1........and block 2..... But IAF would never be accepted.
It is all about your requirements. PAF was ready to accept even during the development but iAF was never agreed with HAL Tejas.

Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.

Su 30 claim is just comparable to F16 shot down claim... Both are very far from reality.

A such small incident can be win by any country... Even Iran can win against the US, and Ukraine can win against Russia.

Just for a note -Without support from China, even Pakistan can not manufacture Jf17 aircraft.
JF17 and HAL Tejas - These both are not TOP league fighter planes... technoloy. Both are kind of 3rd league after...
First let me correct you Jf-17s Block III's are not 3rd Generation yet integration into 2nd has initiated at some level.

India would have certified the Jf-17
Yes I on this point agree as far as Indian Air force was concerned the HAL Tejas was never accepted fully into IAF from day 0. That made complications for HAL manufacturing & delays for 40 + years. Jf-17 is totally a new innovative technology & PAF accepted it from day 1.

Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.
Okay lets assume again February 27 was a minor incident. Set that aside. Have you noticed how exponentially Indian media elaborates anything like the submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes last year by India into Pakistan & Brahmos missile surprise attack this winter and blows the story out of proportions?? The Indian media is mouthpiece of Modi govt!!! Without this piece of network Modi would loose popularity in less than 1 hour. So that is the story of how India falsifies, fabricate, manipulates & distorts Data every thing it touches concerning Pakistan. Pakistan on that day had superiority in the air by factor 10 times. Thats why India fired Brahmos to show its public any kind of superiority over Pakistan. What is the big deal in firing missile to India ? Anyone can do that. So in conclusion to your question, no! In India needs to put into its place to show by force otherwise assumptions carry on whole another meaning.
 

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JF17 and HAL Tejas - These both are not TOP league fighter planes... technoloy. Both are kind of 3rd league after...
First let me correct you Jf-17s Block III's are not 3rd Generation yet integration into 4th has initiated at some level.

India would have certified the Jf-17
Yes I on this point agree as far as Indian Air force was concerned the HAL Tejas was never accepted fully into IAF from day 0. That made complications for HAL manufacturing & delays for 40 + years. Jf-17 is totally a new innovative technology & PAF accepted it from day 1.

Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.
Okay lets assume again February 27 was a minor incident. Set that aside. Have you noticed how exponentially Indian media elaborates anything like the submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes last year by India into Pakistan & Brahmos missile surprise attack this winter and blows the story out of proportions?? The Indian media is mouthpiece of Modi govt!!! Without this piece of network Modi would loose popularity in less than 1 hour. So that is the story of how India falsifies, fabricate, manipulates & distorts Data every thing it touches concerning Pakistan. Pakistan on that day had superiority in the air by factor 10 times. Thats why India fired Brahmos to show its public any kind of superiority over Pakistan. What is the big deal in firing missile to India ? Anyone can do that. So in conclusion to your question, no! In India needs to put into its place to show by force otherwise assumptions carry on whole another meaning.
Submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes

you are a true emotional Pakistani.

I am not an emotional Indian.. I am a very practical person.

Practically, No submarine enters enemy water while the surface. Even during World war 2, the UK was able to detect and sunk many U Boats when they were on the surface and charging their battery.

1940s technology was able to detect the submarines while she was surface. Unsure, how can people believe that A submarine with the surface can try to enter enemy water.. These are funny claims.

India just won another gold by beatings Muhammad Sharif Tahir 9-0, Pakistan ... Good night... I am watching the HOckey match - India leading with 2 goals against South Africa in Semi Final...
 
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Submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes

you are a true emotional Pakistani.

I am not an emotional Indian.. I am a very practical person.

Practically, No submarine enters enemy water while the surface. Even during World war 2, the US was able to detect the U Boats when they were on the surface and charging their battery.

1940s technology was able to detect the submarines while she was surface. Unsure, how can people believe that A submarine with surface can try to enter enemy water.. Just it is a funny claims.

India just won another gold by beatings Muhammad Sharif Tahir 9-0, PAKistan ... Good night... I am watching HOckey match - India leading with 2 goals against South africa...
Emotional & me. You got to be kidding tbh.
I am Youtuber FYI.
I am more Emotionless to set the records straight.

Submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes
 

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How? Rafale Jets are superior to JF-17s.

How JF 17 block 3 is better than Hal Tejas mk1a?

Emotional & me. You got to be kidding tbh.
I am Youtuber FYI.
I am more Emotionless to set the records straight.

Submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes

While surface.. just i said, 1940 technology was able to detect...

nothing new, nothing special.... And, it is just funny to believe that a submarine will enter enemy water while surface.
 

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JF17 and HAL Tejas - These both are not TOP league fighter planes... technoloy. Both are kind of 3rd league after...
First let me correct you Jf-17s Block III's are not 3rd Generation yet integration into 2nd has initiated at some level.

India would have certified the Jf-17
Yes I on this point agree as far as Indian Air force was concerned the HAL Tejas was never accepted fully i
nto IAF from day 0. That made complications for HAL manufacturing & delays for 40 + years. Jf-17 is totally a new innovative technology & PAF accepted it from day 1.

Not just throwing quantity of numbers game as they did in February 27 Balakot IAF strikes losing Mig 21 & SU 30 & helicopter that day.
Okay lets assume again February 27 was a minor incident. Set that aside. Have you noticed how exponentially Indian media elaborates anything like the submarine adventure into PAK waters, Surgical strikes last year by India into Pakistan & Brahmos missile surprise attack this winter and blows the story out of proportions?? The Indian media is mouthpiece of Modi govt!!! Without this piece of network Modi would loose popularity in less than 1 hour. So that is the story of how India falsifies, fabricate, manipulates & distorts Data every thing it touches concerning Pakistan. Pakistan on that day had superiority in the air by factor 10 times. Thats why India fired Brahmos to show its public any kind of superiority over Pakistan. What is the big deal in firing missile to India ? Anyone can do that. So in conclusion to your question, no! In India needs to put into its place to show by force otherwise assumptions carry on whole another meaning.
Hi,

There is a reason behind non certification. IAF knew of serious issues in the Hal Tejas---and would not accept without certification.

Secondly---Hal and IAF are 2 different entities.

OTOH---Paf and Paf Kamra are one entity and pretty much the same with the chinese consortium.

They knew that the JF17 was a certifiable end product---so they did not waste the time in certification before induction.

There was no 3rd party involved---so certification was a NON ISSUE.
 

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Hi,

There is a reason behind non certification. IAF knew of serious issues in the Hal Tejas---and would not accept without certification.

Secondly---Hal and IAF are 2 different entities.

OTOH---Paf and Paf Kamra are one entity and pretty much the same with the chinese consortium.

They knew that the JF17 was a certifiable end product---so they did not waste the time in certification before induction.

There was no 3rd party involved---so certification was a NON ISSUE.
Thank you very much for verifying.
Credibility is the key in today ToT or any product manufacturing.
I made a YT video on HAL Tejas & as required I did a lot of Research & Development in the facts.
I was utterly SHOCKED & AMUSED & WOKEN UP from the dead as to find out corruption as the MAIN cause of the FAILURE of HAL tejas Mk 1 & Mk 2.

Here is link
 

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In fact, the diameter of the radar antenna of the jf-17 is larger than that of the Rafale fighter. But at the same time, there is a big gap between the two sides in the combat thrust-to-weight ratio. The Rafale undoubtedly has better flight performance.
Hopefully a derivative design will be developed that will use the WS-19; 120 kn engine. Hopefully that combination will be enough to achieve the full potential of the platform’s flight profile and electronics, similar to the way the F-16 Block 60’s F-110-GE-132 engine allowed the use of an AESA radar and full employment of the F-16’s flight profile.
 

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Thank you very much for verifying.
Credibility is the key in today ToT or any product manufacturing.
I made a YT video on HAL Tejas & as required I did a lot of Research & Development in the facts.
I was utterly SHOCKED & AMUSED & WOKEN UP from the dead as to find out corruption as the MAIN cause of the FAILURE of HAL tejas Mk 1 & Mk 2.

Here is link
A quick jab please do away with that awful background music it kept distracting me from the main point keep it simple.
 

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