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Questions and grand designs of urdu being state Language of united pak. Why is it trivilised?

bluesky

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Trust me, Punjabi is a very strong language. You have to cover your ears sometimes.
Even now, Ilisten to the Punjabi songs sung by Mussarat Nasir in her young age. So beautiful, both she and her songs.

But, the strength of a language is its poems, prose, and novels. I think, if it is selected as a Provincial languageI am not sure but I think this language will have to borrow thousands of Persian and Urdu vocabularies.

Finally, it will become another form of local Urdu comparing to the Lukhnow Urdu. Not that appreciable.
 

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You and you accusations of every one you dislike.



That would be auto correct on my phone it does silly things some times

I don't dislike you.

If you said something in Sylheti language I'd like you even more. :-)

If you can't then you aren't Sylheti..... bhai @Abu Shaleh Rumi ask him where he's from in Sylhet.

Just sick of false flaggers....
 

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Yeah East Pakistan to Bangladesh is a fine example of it. Provincialism leading to fake nation state identities borne out of war.
Bengal is far away from west Pakistan. Languages and culture are different. And the PA military needed something to prove their importance.

Kill Bengalis for voting Awami League.

Note also that Bengal was not a Province of Hindustan/ Delhi all through its history. However, the distance caused it to cultivate sovereignty after 1947.

But, do not forget how the West developed at the expense of the East. Many things contributed to seek independence from the West.

Our people do not regret the separation.
 
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Kill Bengalis for voting Awami League.
The one sided story told ever since inception of Bangladesh is not anyone else's problem.

And the PA military needed something to prove their importance.
Rhetorical regurgitation has lost all its amusement value.
However, the distance caused it to cultivate sovereignty after 1947.
So why did Bengal was constantly partitioned before 47?
Our people do not regret the separation.
You people don't have any other freedom of choice.
 

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I was surprised by this. I found these recordings; What language is he speaking? May be Hindi? Title says Urdu.


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Urdu.
Their mother tongue was Gujrati, And because of their high level of education, they were very competent in English. Urdu being their third language.

There are dozens of major ethnic groups in South Asia, each with a distinct culture and language. For most of them Urdu or Hindi is either a second language or a third language.

I have an Indian Gujrati sister in law, her family also speaks Urdu, not Hindi, you can tell from the choice of words. It's not too different from the accent of Fatima Jinnah, Jinnah Sahib is slightly different from a typical Gujrati origin Urdu accent, possibly because he spent his formative years in England.
 

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Even now, Ilisten to the Punjabi songs sung by Mussarat Nasir in her young age. So beautiful, both she and her songs.

But, the strength of a language is its poems, prose, and novels. I think, if it is selected as a Provincial languageI am not sure but I think this language will have to borrow thousands of Persian and Urdu vocabularies.

Finally, it will become another form of local Urdu comparing to the Lukhnow Urdu. Not that appreciable.

Punjabi is distinctly different from Urdu.
Over time it has gathered some associated words, because of the close proximity of Hindi/Urdu region and Punjab, and also because both Urdu and Punjabi have been influenced by Persian/Farsi/ Arabic/Turkish. But still, they are totally different languages.
An Urdu speak cannot understand Punjabi, at all, and the same applies to a proper Punjabi speaker. But the barrier is smaller then between Urdu and Bengali, although Bengali has also been influenced by Persian/Arabic. So, Urdu also has a shared history in Bengal, it was the language of the ruling classes and the administration for over a hundred years, during the Mughal and the British rule.

In Pakistan, each province is free to choose it's own official language, each province has done so, except Punjab, where the only official language is Urdu, but if you go on the streets, you'll most likely hear Punjabi, rather then Urdu.
 

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Bengal is far away from west Pakistan. Languages and culture are different. And the PA military needed something to prove their importance.

Kill Bengalis for voting Awami League.

Note also that Bengal was not a Province of Hindustan/ Delhi all through its history. However, the distance caused it to cultivate sovereignty after 1947.

But, do not forget how the West developed at the expense of the East. Many things contributed to seek independence from the West.

Our people do not regret the separation.

Bengal Together with Bihar was a Mughal province at the time of the British Invasion, they started their empire with Bengal, I'm sure you are already aware.

That invasion largely took place because the Marathas had murdered nearly 500,000 Bengalis and Bihari's in the preceding 10 years, weakening it further by imposing a tax amounting to 25% of revenue to stop further attacks.


This article has been changed and does not contain the same level of details as it originally did.
https://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

 

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I do not think any local Pakistani language is as strong as Urdu or Bengali.

So, Urdu is good for Pakistan and Bengali is good for BD. Replacing Urdu with local languages will only advance Provincialism in Pakistan.

Urdu has a long literary history and other Pakistani languages are not as rich as Urdu.

What do you mean strong? Punjabi has a rich literary history going back nearly a millenia to Hazrat Fariduddin Ganjshakar etc.

Likewise, Sindhi, Pashto and other languages also have rich literal and oral traditions.

If it weren't for the British Raj, Persian or specifically Dari would have remained the official language of Muslims in the sub-continent.

Urdu is only strong now because it has been an official language of Pakistan since 1947, so I am not in favour of discarding it. Just don't want to see other languages die out in Pakistan. One of the causes of 1971 civil war was our leadership's insistence on enforcing one particular language on everyone.
 
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Bengal Together with Bihar was a Mughal province at the time of the British Invasion, they started their empire with Bengal, I'm sure you are already aware.

That invasion largely took place because the Marathas had murdered nearly 500,000 Bengalis and Bihari's in the preceding 10 years, weakening it further by imposing a tax amounting to 25% of revenue to stop further attacks.


This article has been changed and does not contain the same level of details as it originally did.
https://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

Read my post again. I said Bengal was not a part of Delhi all through its history. I said so because I am a reader of many original history books their names you may not even know. Do not say silly things that says your jargons have little depth.
 
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Read my post again. I said Bengal was not a part of Delhi all through its history. I said so because I am a reader of many original history books their names you may not even know. Do not say silly things that says your jargons have little depth.

Why are you getting personal? And, being rude?
As far as I can remember I've always shown you due respect. If you wish to change the terms of our engagement, that's your choice.

Your post said "Note also that Bengal was not a Province of Hindustan/ Delhi all through its history"
Bengal was a Mughal Subha, My reply was very relevant to your comment, perhaps you should read your comment again, or write more carefully.

And, don't tell me what you have or have not read, use you knowledge and make your arguments, all I've heard form you are mostly fantasies, present your arguments, not claims about reading books.

I asked you to clarify your position about the Urdu language, but you didn't reply, were you scared? Use the books you read to provide a suitable reply, don't act clever, try and be clever, there's a difference.
I don't make big claims, I am just presenting my arguments, counter them, don't cry about it.
 

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Why are you getting personal? And, being rude?
As far as I can remember I've always shown you due respect. If you wish to change the terms of our engagement, that's your choice.
Dude, you know that he is a old man in real life right? 70+ year old.

This old man gets personal very easily
 

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