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Fleeing from the painful impact does not deny the facts on the ground. The Turks do not recognize international law. Therefore, they lay down their worthless dreams and maps.

Seville map is a dreaam and no any value by international law
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The US does not consider the Seville Map on maritime boundaries of Greece

the European Union does not consider the Seville map to be a legally binding document
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by international law , Greek Islands can not generate EEZ of 200 nm , but only territorial water

Turkiye is 100% right by international law in the Eastern Mediterranean

. Greece is not archipelagic state like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm ...

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island
 

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Greece is arming the Greek islands to kill the dreams of the Turks in occupying them

Greece violate Agreements

Greece continues to militarize eastern Aegean islands in violation of international agreements

Stationing troops on islands violates 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris​



USA-UK-France-Germany provoked Ukraine against Russia
RESULT : Ukraine lost Crimea and Don-Bas ... also Ukranian cities were destroyed


now USA-France-Germany provoke tiny Greece against Turkiye
Do you want to lose Islands ?


Greece never can defend its Islands which are 2-30 km away from Turkiye

All military targets will be destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces in Greek Islands


-- 250+ UCAVs armed with 15km MAM-L , 30 km MAM-T laser guided munition
-- 93 Attack Helicopters
-- 230+ F-16s

-- 40 km T-155 Howitzer
-- 40 km TRG-122 guided MLRS
-- 70 km TRLG-230 guided MLRS
-- 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 165 ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km BORA Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KARA-ATMACA ground launched Cruise Missile
-- 200 km SIMSEK kamikaze Drone
-- 500 km HARPY kamikaze Drone
-- 1.000 km KARGI anti-radiation Drone

-- 70 km POPEYE air launched Cruise Missile
-- 110 km KGK guided Bomb
-- 110 km SDB guided Bomb
-- 130 km JSOW glide Bomb
-- 150 km HARM anti-radiation missile


Turkiye has the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA

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Advice to the Turks: Stay away from your hostile policy, theft and occupation. Think as if you are honorable or like Egypt, which is heading to invest 50 billion dollars in the green hydrogen industry instead of trying to steal the gas of Greece and Cyprus. With economic water or islands

Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean for oil/gas reserves by international law

Greece-France-Germany are trying to steal oil-gas reserves and 150.000+ km of area from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

but Turkiye is not İraq or Syria or Libya or Mali
Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ for drilling


so funny ?
Turks spent even $50 billion for 3,6 million Syrian refugees in Turkiye

and Turkiye spent over $100 billion for energy investments
51 % of Turkiye's installed power comes from renewable energy

and Turkiye has already became Energy hub in the region from Russia,İraq,İran,Azerbaijan
maybe soon also from İsrael
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Greece-Egypt are backward countries can not develop even UCAV
 

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I waited for the Turk to answer me, finally a Bosnian appeared.
First of all you are comparing apples to oranges because they are.....fruits.
Qatar has announced other things than what the Turks are saying. It is talking about 12 Rafales and not 36, which is the total strength.
Beyond that, when you talk about a reversal of forces, take into account that if a Qatari plane either threatens or does any illegal behavior against a Greek plane, then the NATO code is immediately activated.
Of course, Qatar is not stupid to get into a war with NATO because of.....Turkey.
Finally, the Greek Air Force, with the present strength, faces the Turkish Air Force, without any problem, moreover, it proves it every day in the tactical field.

Sweetheart,
Greece, or for that matter most of western Europe wont' survive physical contact with the enemy.

you know that very well.

Planes can't fly forever.
 

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Sweetheart,
Greece, or for that matter most of western Europe wont' survive physical contact with the enemy.

you know that very well.

Planes can't fly forever.
Sweetie, of course Greece knows that, which is why it equips itself in other critical areas, such as artillery and armored vehicles.
However, the fact that airforce will play the biggest role in a Greek-Turkish military conflict is an indisputable factor. That's why the Turks are trying to make funny deals like Qatar, they are begging for American F-16V and speak for Russian jets.
 

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Sweetie, of course Greece knows that, which is why it equips itself in other critical areas, such as artillery and armored vehicles.
However, the fact that airforce will play the biggest role in a Greek-Turkish military conflict is an indisputable factor. That's why the Turks are trying to make funny deals like Qatar, they are begging for American F-16V and speak for Russian jets.

Still dreaming about a victory against regional power Turkiye

and not Air Force but great Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missile fire power will play the biggest role in a conflict

Greece with 24 Rafale Jets can not change anything .. wth is tiny Greece to fight against regional power Turkiye one on one ?

tiny weak Greece is hiding behind USA-France and barking

2.000 Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missiles will be enough to destroy airbases , jet hangars with fighter jets and military targets in Greece and Greek Islands

even Greek pilots will not find their air bases for landing ...


Greece is deploying military vehicles in Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkiye

200+ Turkish UCAVs and Artillery Systems can destroy all Greek military targets in Islands within a day

daydreamer Greece will lose Islands in a conflict ... still Greeks dreaming about a victory

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Turkiye bought S400 Air Defense Systems with 192 missiles to turn 24 Rafales into crap of metal

and 230+ Turkish F-16s are enough for Greek Air Force

also SIPER air defense system and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet are coming


keep begging Americans not to sell F-16V to Turkiye
 
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Sweetie, of course Greece knows that, which is why it equips itself in other critical areas, such as artillery and armored vehicles.
However, the fact that airforce will play the biggest role in a Greek-Turkish military conflict is an indisputable factor. That's why the Turks are trying to make funny deals like Qatar, they are begging for American F-16V and speak for Russian jets.


let me remind you who the fak is begger, only thing your country did not do is give America blowjob on tv with that speach in Us congres....

 

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let me remind you who the fak is begger, only thing your country did not do is give America blowjob on tv with that speach in Us congres....

Firstly it was not United States that referred to Greece as Beggars. It was an ignorant former Diplomat who has since apologised for his stupid tweet.
2nd “Beggars can’t be choosers” is an English expression which means that unless you are financially independent, your purchasing options are limited.
3rd, the Greek "beggars" modernized the F-16V, buy Romeo helis from the US Navy production line, took 1200 armamed vehicles and 70 Kiowa for free, when the Turkish "regional" power, cannot even take spare parts from her old F-16,
Finally, the Greek "beggars" have excellent diplomatic relations with all NATO allies, while the Turkish "regional" power arguing and calling the allied ambassadors for ... protest marches, because Sultan Erdoğan was offended.
 

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Turks are pushing USA for final talks to supply F 16 Vipers than they will decide to EF 2000 or SU 35 procurement or even J 10

Even the J-10 is more likely than the SU-35. Integration of SU-35s into TuAF is very challenging and not only about political problems, the main challenge is technical infrastructure, training&documentation, maintenance and standards (weapons-avionics), an infrastructure investment is required, as if establishing a completely independent new air force. (China has more flexible solutions in these areas due to some past experience, sorry but I won't go into too much detail on this.)

What's more, Russia is in active war and is likely to be grappling with many problems on supply lines due to embargoes and export restrictions.

Let me tell you what will happen: If the F-16 negotiations fail, the Tranche-1s in the hands of the RAF will be received as a grant and they will undergo a modernization together with the UK companies. Qatar's EF T3s will first arrive in Konya, followed by an ownership transfer and urgent needs will be met. Or if there is an additional quantity that Qatar has recently optioned on the EF production line, this right may be granted to TR. Or these jets can be obtained from the UK as second hand. If Germany does not take a stance otherwise, 2-3 fleets of new aircraft are ordered and lined up in the order book. While these will be experienced in the supply of new aircraft, AESA radar and new generation A-A missiles will be integrated into all B-30s.

My understanding is that the MSB does not want to invest in new infrastructure because it is already running its own fighter programs. In other words, the need for additional 4-5 squadron of the aircraft today is more like a stop-gap.
 
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Sweetie, of course Greece knows that, which is why it equips itself in other critical areas, such as artillery and armored vehicles.
However, the fact that airforce will play the biggest role in a Greek-Turkish military conflict is an indisputable factor. That's why the Turks are trying to make funny deals like Qatar, they are begging for American F-16V and speak for Russian jets.

Still dreaming about a victory against regional power Turkiye

and not Air Force but great Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missile fire power will play the biggest role in a conflict

Greece with 24 Rafale Jets can not change anything .. wth is tiny Greece to fight against regional power Turkiye one on one ?

tiny weak Greece is hiding behind USA-France and barking

2.000 Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missiles will be enough to destroy airbases , jet hangars with fighter jets and military targets in Greece and Greek Islands

even Greek pilots will not find their air bases for landing ...


Greece is deploying military vehicles in Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkiye

200+ Turkish UCAVs and Artillery Systems can destroy all Greek military targets in Islands within a day

daydreamer Greece will lose Islands in a conflict ... still Greeks dreaming about a victory

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Turkiye bought S400 Air Defense Systems with 192 missiles to turn 24 Rafales into crap of metal

and 230+ Turkish F-16s are enough for Greek Air Force

also SIPER air defense system and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet are coming


keep begging Americans not to sell F-16V to Turkiye

The US & NATO used the best possible air power for as long as they could in Afghanistan,
What is the result ?
They tried pushing in as much infantry as possible
What is the result ?

The western life style won't survive contact.
 

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The US & NATO used the best possible air power for as long as they could in Afghanistan,
What is the result ?
They tried pushing in as much infantry as possible
What is the result ?

The western life style won't survive contact.

Even in Ukraine , Russia has air superiority
Ukraine has no Airforce , still Russia could not beat Ukraine

2.000 Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missiles will be enough to destroy airbases , jet hangars with fighter jets and military targets in Greece and Greek Islands

even Greek pilots will not find their air bases for landing ...


Daydreamer Greeks thinks 24 Rafales will give victory to Greece

Turkiye bought S400 Air Defense Systems with 192 missiles to turn 24 Rafales into crap of metal

and 230+ Turkish F-16s are enough for Greek Air Force

also SIPER air defense system and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet are coming
 

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let me remind you who the fak is begger, only thing your country did not do is give America blowjob on tv with that speach in Us congres....
When you talk about "beggers",remember how desperate your government is for a new fighter jet and how much Erdogan and Cavusoglu have been trying to meet Biden and keep asking for F-16s. You had been nagging for months ever since that Congress speech. You haven't stopped nagging. Akar has been mumbling ever since we got the Rafale and the F-16Vs and you guys only got sanctions. Yeter,you're being ridiculous when you mention that.

2.000 Turkish MLRS-ballistic-cruise missiles will be enough to destroy airbases ,
The salesman started with the dreams and imaginary future superweapons again?

How many times have people told you? Will is equal to "maybe" in this case. Just like Altay. 10 years ago Turks online were talking big about Altay and it's still...coming. So,forget the "will" and concentrate on the "now".

Sweetheart,
Greece, or for that matter most of western Europe wont' survive physical contact with the enemy.

you know that very well.

Planes can't fly forever.
Sweetheart,what makes you think most of Western Europe can't survive physical contact with Turkey? Because that's the enemy we're talking about now. What makes you think Germany,France,Britain,Spain,Italy,Austria,Sweden,Norway,Portugal cannot smash Turkey. Even less than half of them can wipe out the Turkish navy and air force right now,if they want it.

A French,Italian,Spanish fleet and expeditionary force,supported by the Hellenic Navy and Hellenic Air Force,can annihilate the entire Turkish navy and wipe out all the air bases from the coast to central Anatolia.
 

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The salesman started with the dreams and imaginary future superweapons again?

Daydreamer Mr.Noone jumped again into my posts to deflect the facts


I am not talking about future weapons

I am talking about TRGL-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , J600T , BORA , SOM , ATMACA , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , MAVERIC , HARPOON Block-II , JSOW , HARM , HARPY , ATACMS , KGK , SDB , MAM-T which are already in service

and enough fire power to destroy airbases , jet hangars with fighter jets and military targets in Greece and Greek Islands

even most of Greek Islands are 2-10-30 km away from Turkiye
even 40 km T-155 Howitzers can hit military targets in Islands
 

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Germany,France,Britain,Spain,Italy,Austria,Sweden,Norway,Portugal cannot smash Turkey. Even less than half of them can wipe out the Turkish navy and air force right now,if they want it.

keep dreaming dream is free
You think everybody will fight Turkiye for Greece ... what a dream

Nobody will fight Turkiye for useless Greece ...

-- The UK ,Spain , İtaly are working with Turkiye

-- Austria,Sweden,Norway,Portugal nothing to do with Eastern Mediterranean to fight Turkiye for useless Greece

-- Germany never fight Turkiye

maybe only France .... and we can also wipe out the French navy and air force right now,if we want it in the Eastern Mediterranean

Eastern Mediterranean is Turkiye's play zone
 

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