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As per the Turkish defense sources QEAF 36 Rafales and 250 personnel will be placed at various Turkish bases for the next 5 years. They will also train the Turkish pilots on these jets.

Now, the Turkish engineers and tacticians will dissect the capabilities of these jets like the way med students do to the human bodies. And, the countermeasures will be implemented in the EW routines.

Can PAF leverage this?


 

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Will all the Qatarian Rafale will go to.....Turkey?
And what will Qatar have for defense?
they have all TAF on disposal per defense and security agreements. i know it is hard to realize that whole concept of air superiority with rafale purchasing just went down the drain and you have to wait other asset like f35 to start thinking about it.
 

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they have all TAF on disposal per defense and security agreements. i know it is hard to realize that whole concept of air superiority with rafale purchasing just went down the drain and you have to wait other asset like f35 to start thinking about it.
I waited for the Turk to answer me, finally a Bosnian appeared.
First of all you are comparing apples to oranges because they are.....fruits.
Qatar has announced other things than what the Turks are saying. It is talking about 12 Rafales and not 36, which is the total strength.
Beyond that, when you talk about a reversal of forces, take into account that if a Qatari plane either threatens or does any illegal behavior against a Greek plane, then the NATO code is immediately activated.
Of course, Qatar is not stupid to get into a war with NATO because of.....Turkey.
Finally, the Greek Air Force, with the present strength, faces the Turkish Air Force, without any problem, moreover, it proves it every day in the tactical field.
 

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I waited for the Turk to answer me, finally a Bosnian appeared.
First of all you are comparing apples to oranges because they are.....fruits.
Qatar has announced other things than what the Turks are saying. It is talking about 12 Rafales and not 36, which is the total strength.
Beyond that, when you talk about a reversal of forces, take into account that if a Qatari plane either threatens or does any illegal behavior against a Greek plane, then the NATO code is immediately activated.
Of course, Qatar is not stupid to get into a war with NATO because of.....Turkey.
Finally, the Greek Air Force, with the present strength, faces the Turkish Air Force, without any problem, moreover, it proves it every day in the tactical field.
Does it matter who responded to you on international defense forum?
You did not get it, whole purchasing thing about rafales was to make qualitative edge and first punch ability over TAF, you will still have that ability but in much lesser extent and higher risk as the turks will be well familiar with capabilities and operational limits of such aircrafts.
More luck next time, it is continous game between those two airforces...
 

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The price of Qatari protection ??????

Turkey declares hostility to France and is fighting it in its former colony in West Africa, alongside Turkey's ambitions in Libya and the rest of Africa
Also, Turkey’s desire to seize the Greek islands, and due to the recognition of the international law of the seas and economic waters, which deprives Turkey of benefiting from eastern Mediterranean gas in the Cypriot and Greek economic resources, which Turkey only benefits by fishing and sending its waste from the sewage in the Mediterranean. Of course, there is no French approval. Who will allow
Europe rejects Turkish threats to Greece. There are interests of European and even American gas extraction companies as an obstacle against any Turkish ambitions. Everyone stands with Greece and Cyprus for their economic interests with them.

The basic agreement does not exceed the deployment of 12 Qatari Rafale aircraft, because Qatar does not have an airspace for training and does not already have pilots in sufficient numbers for its entire fleet of fighters.
The agreement does not even allow the Turks to fly these planes

Originally, the Turks claim that the Qataris will place their plane in Turkey to protect Turkish airspace due to the obsolescence of the F-16 fleet, which is now leaving numbers from Israel, Egypt and Turkey. The moment in their air force clarifies the huge predicament that Turkey suffers from and the extent of the weakness it suffers from and trying to hide your false propaganda for its drone and the Turks forgot that the drones are without a fleet of fighters that protect the Turkish airspace
It will not protect Turkey from the strikes of the technically superior Greek air force now

Suppose Qatar sent 36 planes to protect Turkey. This is an insult to the Turks from the ground up, and that they are unable to protect their airspace with their antique fleet.
Even without France’s approval, the planes are tied with ammunition. What will be launched will not be replaced, as will the spare parts, so the Qatari planes will scream ducks on the ground after a short period of time.
In the regional field, Egypt will double the number of its planes that are not in Greece, as it may also add 6 Rafale planes, in addition to the previously existing F-16 planes.
Egypt can also support Greece with more AN/AAQ-33 sniper pods, AN/AAQ-14, which most of the Egyptian F-16 fleet is equipped with 1 for each plane as a result of purchasing from the surplus of American armaments to increase the efficiency of the Greek F-16 fleet.
Saudi Arabia also may permanently place 24 F-15SA planes in Greece next to the Emirates, which in this case will speed up the transfer of Mirage-2000/9 planes. This will prompt Greece to quickly sign the F-35 deal and may increase the number to 24 F-35 planes
In addition to Greece's desire for superior specifications for the F-16 Block 72 and F-35 programs
Greece with the F-16 . aircraft upgrade program
The French will also not allow the Turks to try to reveal the secrets of the Rafale fighters, which will lose Qatar at the same time any future upgrades on it.

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Egypt will not stand idly by, but will accelerate the negotiation process with China over J-20A planes Because it also will not allow any disruption to the air force in the eastern Mediterranean and its ability to deter threats, whether Turkish or Israeli.


Whatever Turkey thinks of Qatari protection for Turkey, it will turn in reverse on Turkey, to increase the armament gap
It will also increase opposition to the sale of fighters such as the Eurofighter Typhoon
Obstructing its deal and delaying any fighter jet deal to Turkey for longer periods

Qatar will not rent its plane for free in Turkey, it will be under the leasing system. Therefore, does Turkey have the financial capacity to rent Qatari planes? The Qataris will not provide anything free to the Turks, or will the Turks sell more of their assets and lands to Qatar to protect their airspace
Because the cost of operating Rafale fighters is basically high, will Turkey bear the cost of operating these fighters, as well as the profits of the Qataris?
So the Turks lost money and reputation for their air force at one time

At the same time, Qatar is increasing its competition with the UAE in the field of providing weapons and protection to countries that suffer from weak armaments or embargoes in exchange for a growing economic and military influence in these countries, or it is spreading in Africa, where these countries have become controlling civil transport fleets and also providing fighters to these countries, so Turkey joins the countries In which the two countries have a great influence, the Turkish player also allowed the sale of TB2 planes to the Emirates, knowing full well that the Emiratis are arms brokers and provide the planes to the countries involved in conflicts such as Ethiopia in exchange for the influence of the Emirates, while the Turks only became in this case fuel to increase the Emirati influence and Qatar wants its share to increase its influence. Turkey is a tool for that
Turkey will not only lose its reputation for Qatari protection with Rafale fighters, but will also harness its deterrent ability, thus becoming a laughing stock among countries, but also its influence, which when some Turks boast of their strength and influence, the Qatari protection card will become an illustration to reverse the Turkish ability and influence, which will become alleged in this case. For example, the Turks who invest In the terrorist groups in western Libya and the Muslim militias there, what will be the position of the Turks while they themselves receive protection from the air force, in front of their followers, and in front of those who promote Turkey and its return is scheduled colonial again in North Africa
In addition to what we mentioned earlier, that no one will allow the disruption of the Greek apprehension of Turkey in the eastern Mediterranean in the field of air forces and fighters over Turkey. The space to respond the slap with another for the Turks
So the matter will be very complicated and its calculations are not in the interest of the Turks in any case
 
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Turkey declares hostility to France and is fighting it in its former colony in West Africa, alongside Turkey's ambitions in Libya and the rest of Africa
Also, Turkey’s desire to seize the Greek islands, and due to the recognition of the international law of the seas and economic waters, which deprives Turkey of benefiting from eastern Mediterranean gas in the Cypriot and Greek economic resources, which Turkey only benefits by fishing and sending its waste from the sewage in the Mediterranean. Of course, there is no French approval. Who will allow
Europe rejects Turkish threats to Greece. There are interests of European and even American gas extraction companies as an obstacle against any Turkish ambitions. Everyone stands with Greece and Cyprus for their economic interests with them.

Who cares about bandit France and USA ? Nobody

Turkiye is not İraq or Syria or Libya or Mali

Turkish Navy blocked French , Greek , İtalian and İsraeli Ships which tried drilling in Turkish EEZ

Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ


by international law , Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean for gas/oil reserves
 
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In the regional field, Egypt will double the number of its planes that are not in Greece, as it may also add 6 Rafale planes, in addition to the previously existing F-16 planes.
Egypt can also support Greece with more AN/AAQ-33 sniper pods, AN/AAQ-14, which most of the Egyptian F-16 fleet is equipped with 1 for each plane as a result of purchasing from the surplus of American armaments to increase the efficiency of the Greek F-16 fleet.
Saudi Arabia also may permanently place 24 F-15SA planes in Greece next to the Emirates, which in this case will speed up the transfer of Mirage-2000/9 planes. This will prompt Greece to quickly sign the F-35 deal and may increase the number to 24 F-35 planes

Egyptian Rafales are so pathetic without METEOR Missile , armed with only 60 km MICA air to air missiles

163 CCIP modernized F-16s armed with 120 km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles to use Boeing E-7T AEWCs to detect Rafale Fighter Jets from 350+ km away

even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet with 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles to beat Egyptian Rafales in BVR Combat

and Turkiye bought 250-380km S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Egyptian Rafales into crap of metal

also 150 km Turkish SIPER Air Defense System is on the way to block half of the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean to enemy Fighter Jets

do you want to test 1.000 km Turkish Ballistic Missiles to hit air bases in Cairo , Alexandria , etc ?

stop dreaming abought fighting regional power Turkiye for American-French-Greek interests
 
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Who cares about bandit France and USA ? Nobody

Turkiye is not İraq or Syria , or Libya or Mali

Turkish Navy blocked French , Greek , İtalian and İsraeli Ships which tried drilling in Turkish EEZ

Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ


by international law , Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean for gas/oil reserves
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Ha-ha-ha-ha, your response is ridiculous. What is the Turkish economic water that is only suitable for fishing and that does not have any gas reserves or do you think we are

We forget the laughing stock of Turkey's great reserves of gas in the Turkish Black Sea, which has been at zero for many years

Turkish EZZ No one cares about it at all and no one has transmitted about it because it does not contain anything at all except some small fish that are sick with Turkish sewage water.

Turkey has been exploring for gas for 5 years in the economic zones of Greece and Cyprus, in an attempt by Turkey to steal or force the Greeks and Cypriots to accept giving anything to the Turks from their economic waters. Rather, a desperate Turkish attempt to get anything, and the Turks forget that this defect does not lie to anyone, because there is simply no single international company that will accept Turkish nonsense and allegations that violate the international law of the sea. No discoveries, and even if discoveries are found, no one will accept its extraction until after Turkey has complied with the international maritime law, which does not give Turkish and Turks a way to extend their feet on the Mediterranean to take a bath.
You have to be aware of the facts and not the dreams or nonsense of the Turks. The Turks have expelled their ships from the Greek, Cypriot and Egyptian economic zones, and you are simply turning the tide of the matter from the cost of Qatari protection to Turkish airspace and the weakness of the Turkish Air Force to a stage where no one is tempted to approach the Turkish areas in fishing and polluting the Mediterranean with sewage. Turkish
The Greeks and Cypriots gave the rights of extraction to the companies of Ebny and Total, and the freedom of these countries protects their facilities in the economic waters of Greece and Cyprus, in addition to strengthening these countries. America has lifted the ban on arming Cyprus because its company wants to obtain a share of Cypriot gas
Everyone deals with the Turks, because the Turks want to bully and steal part of the Mediterranean gas with Russian support, so that Europe remains captive to Russian gas.

Banning and preventing armaments on Turkey dwarfs the Turkish Air Force, and we see now the Turks boast about small Qatar on the map that protects the Turkish field with Rafale planes. These are your dreams

Turkey lost large sums of money in exploration without any return in the Greek and Cypriot economic zones, and Turkey’s hollow threats and its navy do not frighten anyone and could not deter Greece and Cyprus on the contrary, bringing allies to these countries

Hollow threats led to the strengthening of the Greek air force and the Greek army
The situation reached the Turks, asking for protection and uncle from the Turkish Air Force and the Rafale planes, which the Turks were mocking at
Turkey buys Greek and Cypriot gas from Egypt because Egypt is the center of gas distribution and liquefaction, and this is the summit of Turkish failure

As for the dreams of Soso, Toto, Sesame, and the Turkish giant, we don't look at anyone

Turkey failed to be the energy HUB in the eastern Mediterranean, and Egypt was the one who turned to this HUB
Turkey lost everything
1 - invested in exploration
2 - its air force
3- Her dreams of controlling energy in the eastern Mediterranean
The seizure of a part of the gas wealth of Greece and Cyprus, that is, even the Turkish investments in its military power did not benefit them either.
 

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Ha-ha-ha-ha, your response is ridiculous. What is the Turkish economic water that is only suitable for fishing and that does not have any gas reserves or do you think we are

Keep dreaming dream is free

Reality : Turkish Navy blocked French , Greek , İtalian and İsraeli Ships which tried drilling in Turkish EEZ

Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ
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Turkish navy forces back Italian drillship: Cyprus



Turkish navy intercepts Greek vessel violating continental shelf

Turkish navy orders Israeli ship out of Cyprus’s waters

 

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by international law , Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean for gas/oil reserves
Define the legislation of international law?

Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ
How do you talk about EEZ, when your country does not recognize UNCLOS?
As far as the Cypriot EEZ is concerned, this is clear, after all the drillings are ongoing.

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Reality : Turkish Navy blocked French , Greek , İtalian and İsraeli Ships which tried drilling in Turkish EEZ

Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ
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Turkish navy forces back Italian drillship: Cyprus



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I thank you for fully acknowledging the truth of what I am saying and even what I made clear of things that were hidden
Whether Egypt seizes the energy center in the eastern Mediterranean
Or even Turkey having to buy gas from Egypt
The same thing is the inability of the Turks to stop the extraction of Greek and Cypriot gas

What you are trying to show that the Turks control something is clear from the successes of gas extraction operations, and you have learned in the eastern Mediterranean countries that the Turks did not get anything

Fleeing from the painful impact does not deny the facts on the ground. The Turks do not recognize international law. Therefore, they lay down their worthless dreams and maps.

Greece expels the Turkish ships and previously hit a Turkish frigate.

Greece is arming the Greek islands to kill the dreams of the Turks in occupying them

The Turks have never imagined over the Kurds during the past fifty years in southern Turkey, or even Iraq or Syria, and the evidence is clear and simple.

You failed to remove the Assad regime
You failed in Libya to seize the rich oil sites and you are still in the poor West. All we succeeded in stealing the gold of the Central Bank of Libya, cooperating with the traitors there, and some thefts, such as the Libyan scrap of 17 million tons, and exporting some of your products to the gangs loyal to you in Libya, which is not normal relations
Even your alliance with the countries hostile to Egypt did not succeed. In Ethiopia, you will not be able to save the Ethiopian state from us to collapse, and you will not be able to defeat the Ethiopian regime on the fronts of liberation there, and your weapons did not succeed in defeating Tigray.

The Kurds are still resisting and fighting the Turkish state, and annually they kill hundreds of Turkish soldiers by machine. Turkey has not won 50 years of Kurdish-Turkish traction. It has never stopped and has never ended. This does not mean showing any victory to Turkey, but defeat and acceptance of Turkish losses.
The escape of the Turkish youth from the service of the Turkish army because they do not want to die in Kurdistan

The Kurds were a minority of 15-20%. The population of Turkey is currently approaching 40%, and in the future they will be the rulers of Turkey because their population increase rate is high
The attempt by the Turks to naturalize the Syrians and the Afghanis to balance the Kurdish population increase is completely unsuccessful

The Turks have not forgotten their criminal operations against Syria, and every country revolves in stages of weakness and stages of strength. In the future, the Suwein will take revenge and regain their lands, especially since Turkey itself has a dark future. It is an enemy state for all its neighbors, like Israel, which has no future.

You are an enemy of Iraq, an enemy of Syria, an enemy of Egypt, an enemy of most of the Libyan people, an enemy of Greece, an enemy of Armenia, and an enemy of most of Cyprus. You have succeeded with confidence in being the enemy of most of your neighbors, and even Iran deals with you out of the logic of necessity and not neighborliness or friendship.

You, as Turkey, have the resultant strength, being a NATO state. The enemy controls dozens of bases in Turkey, and since the fifties you were able to promote yourselves that you are a tool for implementing America’s policies in the Middle East. Erdogan came to be America’s agent to destroy the Arab countries with the Arab Spring revolutions, and when you tried to threaten Greece, you were under embargo. And the threat, you are a tool or like the tissues used in the toilets are disposed of after use Didn't you remember Trump's saying I can destroy your economy with his tweets This is your size without propaganda

The country files you are playing in all failed and you always want me to remind you of that
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You do not have a real country that supports your lies, nor do you have international law on your side
The file of relations of interests with Arab countries, and Trikat is not a reality, but rather a temporary one to reduce tension. It is not friendship, and it will not be friendship.

The file of military force has failed the West, the Turkish tank project, the Turkish submarine project has been postponed since 2009 until now, and it is a kind of failure, and you are waiting for the year 2027 to complete the 6 Turkish submarines and enter full service

Turkish Air Force modernization project failed to replace
F-4 and the project to get the F-35 failed and America did not even agree to the F-16BLOCK 72

Your directing to Qatar to protect you is a definite recognition of your weakness, and you need the planes of a small country on the map to protect you through the Qatari Rafale planes.

I thank you again for acknowledging the clarity of what I am saying and confirming that it is the truth and that you are trying to escape to other files because you are unable to deny what I am therefore saying. Discussing with you is not useful in this closed file in my favour.

https://egyptoil-gas.com/news/egypt-pm-witnesses-the-signing-of-seven-green-hydrogen-mous/

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Advice to the Turks: Stay away from your hostile policy, theft and occupation. Think as if you are honorable or like Egypt, which is heading to invest 50 billion dollars in the green hydrogen industry instead of trying to steal the gas of Greece and Cyprus. With economic water or islands
 

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I thank you for fully acknowledging the truth of what I am saying and even what I made clear of things that were hidden
Whether Egypt seizes the energy center in the eastern Mediterranean
Or even Turkey having to buy gas from Egypt
The same thing is the inability of the Turks to stop the extraction of Greek and Cypriot gas

What you are trying to show that the Turks control something is clear from the successes of gas extraction operations, and you have learned in the eastern Mediterranean countries that the Turks did not get anything

Fleeing from the painful impact does not deny the facts on the ground. The Turks do not recognize international law. Therefore, they lay down their worthless dreams and maps.

Greece expels the Turkish ships and previously hit a Turkish frigate.

Greece is arming the Greek islands to kill the dreams of the Turks in occupying them

The Turks have never imagined over the Kurds during the past fifty years in southern Turkey, or even Iraq or Syria, and the evidence is clear and simple.

You failed to remove the Assad regime
You failed in Libya to seize the rich oil sites and you are still in the poor West. All we succeeded in stealing the gold of the Central Bank of Libya, cooperating with the traitors there, and some thefts, such as the Libyan scrap of 17 million tons, and exporting some of your products to the gangs loyal to you in Libya, which is not normal relations
Even your alliance with the countries hostile to Egypt did not succeed. In Ethiopia, you will not be able to save the Ethiopian state from us to collapse, and you will not be able to defeat the Ethiopian regime on the fronts of liberation there, and your weapons did not succeed in defeating Tigray.

The Kurds are still resisting and fighting the Turkish state, and annually they kill hundreds of Turkish soldiers by machine. Turkey has not won 50 years of Kurdish-Turkish traction. It has never stopped and has never ended. This does not mean showing any victory to Turkey, but defeat and acceptance of Turkish losses.
The escape of the Turkish youth from the service of the Turkish army because they do not want to die in Kurdistan

The Kurds were a minority of 15-20%. The population of Turkey is currently approaching 40%, and in the future they will be the rulers of Turkey because their population increase rate is high
The attempt by the Turks to naturalize the Syrians and the Afghanis to balance the Kurdish population increase is completely unsuccessful

The Turks have not forgotten their criminal operations against Syria, and every country revolves in stages of weakness and stages of strength. In the future, the Suwein will take revenge and regain their lands, especially since Turkey itself has a dark future. It is an enemy state for all its neighbors, like Israel, which has no future.

You are an enemy of Iraq, an enemy of Syria, an enemy of Egypt, an enemy of most of the Libyan people, an enemy of Greece, an enemy of Armenia, and an enemy of most of Cyprus. You have succeeded with confidence in being the enemy of most of your neighbors, and even Iran deals with you out of the logic of necessity and not neighborliness or friendship.

You, as Turkey, have the resultant strength, being a NATO state. The enemy controls dozens of bases in Turkey, and since the fifties you were able to promote yourselves that you are a tool for implementing America’s policies in the Middle East. Erdogan came to be America’s agent to destroy the Arab countries with the Arab Spring revolutions, and when you tried to threaten Greece, you were under embargo. And the threat, you are a tool or like the tissues used in the toilets are disposed of after use Didn't you remember Trump's saying I can destroy your economy with his tweets This is your size without propaganda

The country files you are playing in all failed and you always want me to remind you of that
View attachment 882991

You do not have a real country that supports your lies, nor do you have international law on your side
The file of relations of interests with Arab countries, and Trikat is not a reality, but rather a temporary one to reduce tension. It is not friendship, and it will not be friendship.

The file of military force has failed the West, the Turkish tank project, the Turkish submarine project has been postponed since 2009 until now, and it is a kind of failure, and you are waiting for the year 2027 to complete the 6 Turkish submarines and enter full service

Turkish Air Force modernization project failed to replace
F-4 and the project to get the F-35 failed and America did not even agree to the F-16BLOCK 72

Your directing to Qatar to protect you is a definite recognition of your weakness, and you need the planes of a small country on the map to protect you through the Qatari Rafale planes.

I thank you again for acknowledging the clarity of what I am saying and confirming that it is the truth and that you are trying to escape to other files because you are unable to deny what I am therefore saying. Discussing with you is not useful in this closed file in my favour.

https://egyptoil-gas.com/news/egypt-pm-witnesses-the-signing-of-seven-green-hydrogen-mous/

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Advice to the Turks: Stay away from your hostile policy, theft and occupation. Think as if you are honorable or like Egypt, which is heading to invest 50 billion dollars in the green hydrogen industry instead of trying to steal the gas of Greece and Cyprus. With economic water or islands
Stupid boy. Greece's claim is against you. If you accept the Turkish MAVİ VATAN doctrine you will have more eez.
 

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