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Qatar Signs $12 Billion Deal for U.S. F-15 Jets Amid Gulf Crisis

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  1. raptor22

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    I am impressed and moved by your comprehensive knowledge in the field of history esp about Iran and The USA relation...
     
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    You should know that all Muslim countries agreed to help the US get out of its economic "crisis"_not for free, but for some valuable price_, Qatar too, during the summit, but a day or two later it refused to comply with its "obligations", a move that brought the Ire of most of its Brothers in the GCC and the Arab world on it, before any official move from the US.. and since Qatar persisted in its refusal to comply, a direct ultimatum by the US president was necessary, hence at least the quick signing of the $12 billion deal for 36 F-15 QA that was lagging for years.. and it is just the beginning, or a move to show good faith to the US.. because it is stupid to promise something to your closest allies and a superpower and than retract from it, just like that.. that is not how it works in Realpolitik..
     
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    U.S milked Saudis with a $110 billion arms deal, Saudis cut ties with Qatar, U.S appeases Saudis and admits Saudi allegation that Qatar support terrorism (pot calling the kettle black), so U.S gets to milk Saudis more for this support, then they sign a huge deal with Qatar to sell them 36 jets while they just accused them of supporting terrorism days before, so Qatar too gets milked in the process. It's all a win for U.S arms industry and U.S economy, playing them for the fools they are.
     
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    Well business is business.

    In this world, money does the talking and the walking.

    Besides Qatar is an ally of USA.
     
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    LANTIRN pod and ECM pod.

    Saudi Arabia paid a little more. But its not just the planes. But weapons and other equipment and training.

    Considering most planes that countries fly are 1970s or 1980s like Flankers for example it doesn't really matter. Also consider that these planes depending on how Qatar wants it, its probably the most advance F-15s ever built with up to date radar, avionics, engines, etc, even better than what the USAF flies. I'm sure USAF veteran posters would agree.


    When you got the President of the United States coming over, it could usually lead to sales especially military contracts.

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    Hilarious stuff
     
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    You intentionally avoid to mention that the U.S has also milked Iran with $3 billion airplanes deal to Aseman Airlines. They also milked Iran and sign another deal worth of $16 Billion to Iran Air. Did the Mullah forget that America wants to destroy Iran? Why they still paying the US billion of dollars?

    Iranian company finalizes $3b deal with Boeing for 30 jets

    Boeing Seals $16.6 Billion Deal to Sell Jets to Iran

    So they are going to sell Iran these new jets, then they will destroy them under the allegation of "Transferring weapons to terrorists".
     
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    There is some truth in what you said barader. But at the end of it, both KSA and Qatar will end up having a pretty good air force that could save their economic infrastructure which will also save billions in return. These jets won't be sold to the Tazis for a little profit. Tazis are dangerous, b/c they are wild by instinct (vahshi). They also have a different relgion from the religion embraced (or used to be embraced) by the White race which is very much the dominant race in the world today. Generally, the dispute between us and Qatar will not last long, but the accumulated fighter jets inventory of the Arabian Gulf states will look somehow above-average.

    Take it easy ya azizi.تيك إت إيزي يا عزيزي
     
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    but why this f15 old junk ??



    yeh smokey lena tha ???


    silent eagle after all they sold hahaha stupid arabs
     
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    Saudi Arabia got 86 F15SA and Also included are the upgrade of the existing Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) fleet of seventy (70) F-15S multi-role fighters to the F-15SA configuration plus a lot of ammunition and training for 26 Billion.
     
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    Old junk? In terms of design maybe. But its upgraded in terms of engines, avionics, radar, carries more weapons, etc. Smoky engines you says? LOL! You are pretty much wrong.
     
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    Sounds like win - win for the Yankees as go all the way to the bank laughing... while the sun stroked Arabs go for each others throats
     
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    Doesn't matter, as you said you can still buy better fighter jets like SU-35 and anti missile defence systems like S-400 from Russia.
    How come you never buy Russian weapons? Lol. So why pick on Qatar?

    A Pakistani calling the F-15 junk? If so then all your fighter jets are less than junk to be honest. Since the F-15(and the newest ones they will be selling to Qatar and KSA) is one of the most advanced fighter jets on the planet. Very few fighters like Typhoon, Rafale can be compared with the F-15.

    The funny thing is Pakistan(just like many countries in the region) will have bought the F-15 or other western fighter jets as well if they were as wealthy as the Saudis/gulf states. The only issue with these countries is that they don't have enough money like the Arabs do. Lol

    So I don't get what you are on about.
     
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    Qatar has finally moved forward with a long-standing plan to buy advanced fighter jets from the United States. This comes amid a massive spat between the small country and Saudi Arabia that has spiraled into a huge political crisis throughout the Middle East and beyond.

    On June 14, 2017, Bloomberg News reported that the Qataris would sign a $12 billion deal to buy up to 36 F-15QA fighter jets from Boeing. The country’s Ministry of Defense later announced it had reached an agreement, which followed a meeting between Minister of State for Defense Affairs Dr. Khalid bin Mohammed Al Attiyah and U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis that day, but did not confirm the total number of aircraft in the order or offer any expected delivery schedule.

    The F-15QA – standing for “Qatar Advanced” – is a version of Boeing’s latest version of the fighter, the F-15 Advanced Eagle. Derived from the U.S. Air Force’s F-15E Strike Eagle, the multi-role jet features two General Electric F-110-129 engines – also found on Saudi Arabia’s F-15S and SA, Singapore’s F-15SG, and South Korea’s F-15K – each of which produce almost 30,000 pounds of thrust, along with a host of improvements to the aircraft’s avionics and mission systems.

    More visibly, the new variant includes two additional underwing hardpoints. When it first revealed the design, the Chicago-headquartered firm prominently featured these new additions in its press packages, highlighting the plane’s ability to carry as many as 16 AIM-120 long-range air-to-air missiles. Bristling with hardpoints, the aircraft can carry up to 23,000 pounds of ordnance and external fuel, including both air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, according to Boeing. The Eagle is also upgraded with a full fly-by-wire flight control system. This not only enhances maneuverability, but also safety.

    In addition, the fighters can come with either the AN/APG-63(V)3 or AN/APG-82(V)1 radar, both active electronically scanned array (AESA) types from Raytheon. These are widely regarded as the most powerful and capable fighter radar sets in existence. The U.S. Air Force is in the process of upgrading its F-15C/D aircraft with the AN/APG-63(V)3 and Singapore and Saudi Arabia both chose this unit for their latest jets. The AN/APG-82(V)1 is becoming standard on the F-15E. We don’t know the exact configuration of the QA version and Boeing has historically offered a variety of optional extras to specific customers, such as Israel, as well.



    It seems likely, especially given the nomenclature, that the Qatari version will be similar to the Saudi F-15SA, which is the most advanced Eagle variant in service to date. Beyond the F-110-129 engines and AN/APG-63(V)3 radar, the SA variant has an updated "glass" cockpit with a large digital multi-function display, advanced early warning systems and defensive countermeasures, and the ability to use helmet-mounted displays in both the front and rear cockpits. On top of that, there is an infrared search and track system, nicknamed "Tiger Eyes," in the pylon holding a targeting pod under the left engine intake. The Saudi planes come ready to carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the AIM-9X and AIM-120 air-to-air missiles, the AGM-84 Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER) cruise missile, and the dual-mode GBU-54/B Laser Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) smart bomb.



    But the execution of the Qatari Eagle deal at this time is clearly ironic, given that earlier in June 2017, the regime in Riyadh and many of its regional allies severed all links, diplomatic and physical, with its smaller neighbor, touching off a far-reaching crisis with no end in sight. The Saudis said their decision was ostensibly over Qatar’s links to terrorist organizations, but tensions between the two have were already long simmering when the situation finally boiled over, something we’ve reported on previously in detail at The War Zone. Separately, political turmoil in the United States has hampered its ability to step in as peacemaker.

    On June 6, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted out his apparent support for the Saudi move, accusing Qatar of "funding of Radical Ideology." His administration, however, attempted to take a more nuanced and diplomatic approach to a flap between two major regional allies.

    “We call on Qatar to be responsive to the concerns of its neighbors,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on June 9, 2017. “[But] the blockade is also impairing U.S. and other international business activities in the region and has created a hardship on the people of Qatar and the people whose livelihoods depend on commerce with Qatar. The blockade is hindering U.S. military actions in the region and the campaign against ISIS.”

    Tillerson was referring in part to the U.S. military's use of Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, which is home to the U.S. Air Force's Combined Air Operations Center for operations across the Middle East and Central Asia, among other things. Though the Pentagon had quickly tried to downplay the crisis a "political issue" that wouldn't impact operations, we at The War Zone worried about the implications for the fight against ISIS and other military activities in the region. Tyler Rogoway wrote:

    By calling this a "political issue" the Pentagon must see the Saudis' claims toward Qatar as straight up false or as a matter of dubious equivalency, because it is nearly impossible to argue that those claims are not directly associated with the US-led coalition's military mission in Qatar. Especially considering that America's primary goal in the region is to stamp out the same sort of extremism that the Saudi's allege Qatar supports, even if in a tacit manner.

    This may turn out to be a truer test of where America's ideals really lie, as well as the Trump Administration's political will when it comes to the fight against terror, as any. If these allegations are true, the US stands to only erode its moral high ground on the issue if it refuses to act. And how can America expect to ask more for the counter-terror fight from its Arab allies, like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain if it doesn't live by the same standards it preaches?


    But within hours of Tillerson's comments, Trump seemed to repudiate those remarks again, saying that he had agreed with other world leaders during a recent state visit to Saudi Arabia that the time had come to punish Qatar for funding terrorist organizations.

    “The nation of Qatar has unfortunately been a funder of terrorism, and at a very high level,” Trump said during a shared press conference with Romanian President Klaus Iohannis. “So we had a decision to make. Do we take the easy road or do we finally take hard but necessary action?”

    The Qatari fighter deal, in the works since 2015, had already been fraught with problems. President Barack Obama and his administration held back on approving the sale, a decision that seemed intended to placate Iran as part of the push for a major international agreement over that country’s nuclear program. In the interim, Qatar had put in an order for 24 Rafale from French plane maker Dassault. The Qatari Emiri Air Force wanted new fighters in the first place to replace its aging fleet of Mirage 2000-5s, another Dassault product.

    After considerable pressure from supporters of the sale in Congress, the Obama administration finally signed off on the deal in November 2016. By that point, unfortunately, there were new, serious concerns about whether Qatar’s budget shortfalls might scuttle various military modernization programs. So, between the Rafale purchase and Saudi pressure, it remains unclear how many F-15s the small peninsular country will ultimately receive. Back in 2015, Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, told Defense News that the plan called for a total of 73 aircraft, with an initial production run of 36 aircraft. This may be the number Bloomberg was relying on in its latest report. It's worth noting that the country's air force hasn't gotten any of the Rafales yet, either.

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    “This proposed sale enhances the foreign policy and national security of the United State by helping to improve the security of a friendly country and strengthening our strategically important relationship,” the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a statement on November 17, 2016. “The proposed sale of this aircraft, equipment, training, and support services will not alter the basic military balance in the region,” it added, using canned language the United States includes in notices about all major arms deals.

    It remains to be seen if those statements still hold true after more than a year and half.

    Source: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-12-billion-f-15-deal-is-wildly-controversial
     
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    Hasn't Saudi objected this deal and asked USA which side they choose like they asked Pakistan?!
     
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