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Qatar is interested in the JF-17B, the two-seat version

Yasser76

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Pakistan should join Turkey and station troops in Qatar. If Saudis and UAE can exercise with Indians than there is no reason to oppose Pakistan doing this.

In last 3 months, CNS, COAS, CJSC and ACM have all visited Qatar. Also in last 3 months Head of Qatar AF and Head of Qatari land forces all visited Pakistan.

That is unprecedented in terms of military relations. Clearly both Qatar and Pakistan are sending a message, also something is definately up, beyond just JF-17......
 

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Pakistan should join Turkey and station troops in Qatar. If Saudis and UAE can exercise with Indians than there is no reason to oppose Pakistan doing this.

In last 3 months, CNS, COAS, CJSC and ACM have all visited Qatar. Also in last 3 months Head of Qatar AF and Head of Qatari land forces all visited Pakistan.

That is unprecedented in terms of military relations. Clearly both Qatar and Pakistan are sending a message, also something is definately up, beyond just JF-17......
By any chance, are we getting m2k from Qatar?
 

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By any chance, are we getting m2k from Qatar?

No point, we have flown it and JF-17 have actually trained against it (think there are pictures somewhere).

Issue would be

1) Qatari fleet of M2K is very small (12 planes)
2) Unlike older Mirages, M2K would require French support and with current French-India relations that is highly unlikely
3) Even if we could support it, it would be a massively expensive undertaking for just 12 planes.

Better off them staying in Qatar and our boys having a short trip there to conduct training against them
 

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I just don't understand what is the psychology behind this procurement of variety of fighters for such a small country. what are they trying to achieve from it. who actually is their enemy.
Their foreign policy does not align with their neighboring Gulf states. Saudi/UAE and the others essentially declared an economic and political war on Qatar for several years which left the country isolated in the region, with only a narrow air channel to Iran being it's geographic outlet to the world. https://theintercept.com/2017/11/09/uae-qatar-oitaba-rowland-banque-havilland-world-cup/

News like this one are a way of ensuring political support for Qatar so that in any future case of GCC isolation it is not left alone. It was a close call this time and the worsened relations between Turkey and Saudi resulted in the former nation investing in Qatar politically and militarily. Even relations with Iran are at an all time low during MBS reign ensuring there were some regional countries ready to defend Qatar from the GCC wrath. It was a close call however and Qatar won't be taking any risks anymore. Purchasing weapons from abroad has just as much to do with militarily strength as it does with purchasing political influence abroad and thereby countering hostile foreign influence.
 

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Their foreign policy does not align with their neighboring Gulf states. Saudi/UAE and the others essentially declared an economic and political war on Qatar for several years which left the country isolated in the region, with only a narrow air channel to Iran being it's geographic outlet to the world. https://theintercept.com/2017/11/09/uae-qatar-oitaba-rowland-banque-havilland-world-cup/

News like this one are a way of ensuring political support for Qatar so that in any future case of GCC isolation it is not left alone. It was a close call this time and the worsened relations between Turkey and Saudi resulted in the former nation investing in Qatar politically and militarily. Even relations with Iran are at an all time low during MBS reign ensuring there were some regional countries ready to defend Qatar from the GCC wrath. It was a close call however and Qatar won't be taking any risks anymore. Purchasing weapons from abroad has just as much to do with militarily strength as it does with purchasing political influence abroad and thereby countering hostile foreign influence.
That's true somehow.. but Qatar even under the GCC sanctions still was sticking with the GCC defence coalition.. ( not talking about the Arab coalition in Yemen..here..) .. So all these weapons are in fact bought in that same context of being part of the GCC..
Trump sold out...

So turks landed their troops
Without the accord of the US..you think?
True, but remember despite that, Trump was close to signing off on the Saudis invading Qatar at some point, the US troops would have just remained in base. This is what shook the Qataris. The US will defend their base, but not nessacarilly the country of Qatar against any invader. Turkey and Pakistan may opt to
That base is almost as big as Qatar.. lol
There was never a threat to invade Qatar.. just hearsay..
 

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The State of Qatar has shown interest in the JF-17B, a modernized two-seat version, produced by the Pakistani aviation industry complex PAC with Chinese technology.

The Qatari Consul General to Pakistan Mishaal Al-Ansari also referred to the importance of Qatari-Pakistani military cooperation in the field of pilot training and defense industries.

In the event that Qatar contracts for this fighter, the Qatari air force will be formed from a diverse mix of Chinese, Pakistani, American (F-15), French (Rafale and Mirage) fighters and others of a joint European manufacture (Eurofighter Typhoon).

In recent years, Qatar has conducted several huge arms deals, especially in the field of the Air Force, as the country has contracted many combat aircraft from various sources. These deals included the latest and most powerful version of the F-15 fighters from the United States of America, and the Rafale fighters from France, in addition to the Eurofighter Typhoon from Britain.

What distinguishes the Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 fighter mainly is its powerful armament, which consists of a large and varied arsenal of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles with ranges ranging from short to behind range of vision.

Chief among these is the PL 15 long-range air-to-air missile..

The PL 15 missile :

The PL-15 was successfully launched from a Shenyang J-16 fighter jet in November 2016, according to Chinese state-run media. Chinese experts speculate that the PL-15 is a new class of long-range air-to-air missiles LRAAM due to its large size, and it is the only type in this class so far.

The PL-15 is equipped with an advanced radar finder and missile engine, a combination that makes the missile a serious threat to high-value aerial targets such as refueling aircraft and AEW & C aircraft in the depths of enemy lines.

The missile engine allows the PL-15 to fly in a semi-ballistic trajectory for an extra long range. Chinese media said the PL-15 could reach more than 300 km at speeds of Mach 4 (4,900 km / h). The missile's flight altitude is about 30 km.

Its advanced guidance system consists of a data link and a new active / passive dual-mode AESA seeker with enhanced ECCM capabilities.

Prior to launch, the PL-15 must obtain target information via a data link from an AEW & C aircraft or via a long-range ground-based radar system or satellite. After the initial ascent stage, the missile uses Beidou / GPS + INS + datalink systems for mid-trajectory guidance.

In the final stage along with the AESA researcher, the missile may also use the IIR (Infrared Imaging) system to increase the likelihood of killing despite severe jamming conditions.

The missile's length (5.8 meters) means that it cannot be internally carried by the Chengdu J-20 "stealth" fighters. However, the PL-15 can be externally carried by 3.5 generation jets such as the Shenyang J-11 air superiority fighter and the Shenyang J-16 multi-role fighter.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/03/03/قطر-تبدي-اهتمامها-بمقاتلة-jf-17b-النسخة-ثنا/
Info of Jf is already verified by Qataris but pl-15 is not 5.8 meter they are mixing up two different missiles programs pl-15 is aam used against all types of targets and 7.8 inches longer and 20mm thinner than sd10

5.8 meter long is another missile used for long range interception of strategic targets such as tankers awacs etc

pl-15 is already Integrated with j16 and j10 and Jf is next
 

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The State of Qatar has shown interest in the JF-17B, a modernized two-seat version, produced by the Pakistani aviation industry complex PAC with Chinese technology.

The Qatari Consul General to Pakistan Mishaal Al-Ansari also referred to the importance of Qatari-Pakistani military cooperation in the field of pilot training and defense industries.

In the event that Qatar contracts for this fighter, the Qatari air force will be formed from a diverse mix of Chinese, Pakistani, American (F-15), French (Rafale and Mirage) fighters and others of a joint European manufacture (Eurofighter Typhoon).

In recent years, Qatar has conducted several huge arms deals, especially in the field of the Air Force, as the country has contracted many combat aircraft from various sources. These deals included the latest and most powerful version of the F-15 fighters from the United States of America, and the Rafale fighters from France, in addition to the Eurofighter Typhoon from Britain.

What distinguishes the Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 fighter mainly is its powerful armament, which consists of a large and varied arsenal of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles with ranges ranging from short to behind range of vision.

Chief among these is the PL 15 long-range air-to-air missile..

The PL 15 missile :

The PL-15 was successfully launched from a Shenyang J-16 fighter jet in November 2016, according to Chinese state-run media. Chinese experts speculate that the PL-15 is a new class of long-range air-to-air missiles LRAAM due to its large size, and it is the only type in this class so far.

The PL-15 is equipped with an advanced radar finder and missile engine, a combination that makes the missile a serious threat to high-value aerial targets such as refueling aircraft and AEW & C aircraft in the depths of enemy lines.

The missile engine allows the PL-15 to fly in a semi-ballistic trajectory for an extra long range. Chinese media said the PL-15 could reach more than 300 km at speeds of Mach 4 (4,900 km / h). The missile's flight altitude is about 30 km.

Its advanced guidance system consists of a data link and a new active / passive dual-mode AESA seeker with enhanced ECCM capabilities.

Prior to launch, the PL-15 must obtain target information via a data link from an AEW & C aircraft or via a long-range ground-based radar system or satellite. After the initial ascent stage, the missile uses Beidou / GPS + INS + datalink systems for mid-trajectory guidance.

In the final stage along with the AESA researcher, the missile may also use the IIR (Infrared Imaging) system to increase the likelihood of killing despite severe jamming conditions.

The missile's length (5.8 meters) means that it cannot be internally carried by the Chengdu J-20 "stealth" fighters. However, the PL-15 can be externally carried by 3.5 generation jets such as the Shenyang J-11 air superiority fighter and the Shenyang J-16 multi-role fighter.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/03/03/قطر-تبدي-اهتمامها-بمقاتلة-jf-17b-النسخة-ثنا/
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When a country which can afford to buy expensive jets like F15 and rafales shows interest in JF-17 thunder,is enough to prove that JF-17 is no joke like indian tejas.
 

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That's true somehow.. but Qatar even under the GCC sanctions still was sticking with the GCC defence coalition.. ( not talking about the Arab coalition in Yemen..here..) .. So all these weapons are in fact bought in that same context of being part of the GCC..

IMAFT as well which Turkey is still a full member state of.

Paakis keep forgetting that for some weird reason..
 

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