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Qatar invests in the new Turkish ‘Akıncı Tiha’ drone


Recent talks gave a boost to the project.
Saturday 24/04/2021



ANKARA / DOHA – A well-informed Turkish source said that the unannounced visit of the head of the Turkish Defence Industries Corporation, Ismail Demir, to Qatar focused on trying to secure Qatari financing for the development and introduction of the drone project Akıncı Tiha into service.

This comes after Turkish drones performed well in military battles in Libya, Syria, Iraq and in the Nagorno Karabakh conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

The Turkish source told The Arab Weekly that, “Demir carried the details of the new project, which is a relatively large multi-role unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), which Turkey is developing into a sort of ” tank-plane” equipped with various weapons.

Demir met Qatar’s Chief of Staff Ghanem Bin Shaheen al Ghanem and discussed with him an indirect financing scheme through the purchase of a number of Akıncı Tiha drones, which the Defence Industries Corporation has already begun testing with various weapons options.

Qatari sources said that the two parties talked about the , “prospects for cooperation between the Qatari armed forces and the Turkish company and ways to enhance and develop these ties,” without making more details public.

The Turkish source said that Demir issued instructions upon his return to start testing different types of locally-made equipment and to move quickly on the project in order to ensure Qatari financing.

The Turkish Defence Industries Corporation is a major military manufacturing institution under the personal supervision of the president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The company announced that it has carried out successful tests of smart materiel on the new UAV and that work is underway to develop MIM-T munitions, improve the efficiency of their warheads and increase their range.

The two Turkish companies, Bayraktar and Roketsan, are working on the manufacture of vehicles and their lethal gear as part of a programme that is attracting considerable interest from a number of potential buyers.

Military ties between Turkey and Qatar were boosted in June 2017, as a military cooperation agreement entered into effect after ratification by the Turkish parliament and approval by Erdogan.

Under the agreement, a Turkish military base was established in Qatar and joint exercises were carried out.

Turkey presented itself as the protector of Qatar at a time when regional pressure intensified on Doha to change its stances which were seen as threatening to stability in the Middle East and North Africa. Wariness about Qatar’s policies led to its boycott by a quartet of Arab countries led by Saudi Arabia.

The relationship between Doha and Riyadh witnessed a certain degree of detente after the Al-Ula summit in Saudi Arabia. This resulted in a decline in the intensity of the mutual criticism as well as de-escalation of tensions between Turkey and Egypt.

Turkey increasingly relies on drones and considers them one among the most important military-industrial assets that buttress its rise as a regional power.

“Turkey has developed its own domestic drones and has used them to devastating effect in several recent military conflicts: Libya, Syria, in the Nagorno-Karabakh war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and in the fight against the PKK inside its own borders,” recently wrote US scholar Francis Fukuyama.

“In the process, it has elevated itself into being a major regional power broker with more ability to shape outcomes than Russia, China or the United States” he wrote in an article published by the magazine American Purpose

The first large scale use of the Turkish drones was in an attack on Syrian forces that had targeted Turkish forces and killed 36 Turkish soldiers.

The US scholar noted that the effectiveness of Turkey’s Bayraktar TB2 drones and the Anka-S unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) was evident. He added, “Video footage showed them destroying one Syrian armoured vehicle after another, including more than 100 tanks, armoured personnel carriers and air defence systems.”

Fukuyama argued that Turkey’s use of drones “is going to change the nature of land power in ways that will undermine existing force structures, in the way that the Dreadnaught obsoleted earlier classes of battleships, or the aircraft carrier made battleships themselves obsolete at the beginning of World War II.”

 
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Ukraine seems to have took its ticket that will be part of this developing concept. It is gratifying that brotherhly Qatar also jumped on the ship too.

In the Turkish air force, the F-4Es will not be replaced by another manned fighter-bomber: The gap will be filled by this concept's later systems which will come after Akıncı. So the Akıncı is the first step of a completely new air-combat structring concept. It is the first step of the transition before the 1st generation MIUS and also will have an important role in the whole system.
 
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Ukraine seems to have took its ticket that will be part of this developing concept. It is gratifying that brotherhly Qatar also jumped on the ship too.

In the Turkish air force, the F-4Es will not be replaced by another manned fighter-bomber: The gap will be filled by this concept's later systems which will come after Akıncı. So the Akıncı is the first step of a completely new air-combat structring concept. It is the first step of the transition before the 1st generation MIUS and also will have an important role in the whole system.
Qatar is always up for endless push towards the future.. By the way whos that guy Francis Fukuyama he put high praises on Turkey
 

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In the Turkish air force, the F-4Es will not be replaced by another manned fighter-bomber: The gap will be filled by this concept's later systems which will come after Akıncı.
Any plans to make a supersonic drone with strike and EW capabilities (like EA-18 growler) ?
 

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Any plans to make a supersonic drone with strike and EW capabilities (like EA-18 growler) ?

There is some developments following the road from the smallest platform to the larger platforms. For example:
5.5kg warhead developed for Kamikaze drones, as an example

Imagine that detonating speeds like 0.6 / 0.7 mach. I dont think that Şimşek's loitering/kamikaze variant is intended to develop a system against armored vehicles. Şimşek target drone basicly designed for simulating enemy aircraft and missiles, so it highly agile and high G maneuverable drone. It is much more likely that this is an anti-radiation(or some other strategic targets) drone for launching from UAVs.

One main UAV platform will carry another two drones with a range of 200km and high maneuverability under its wing. You can turn this ability into many things. This system will probably could carry payloads such as E/O or LIDAR etc and also possibly flight with some other Counter Measure Systems. But It can also act as a communication relay or decoy-missile(like MALD) according to the needs, all this ability scale will increase the options of UAV operations, penetrating to completely or limited A2 / AD environment.
TAF had also found the opportunity to test some systems on platforms such as Tb-2 and Anka, on actual warfare conditions. Also, some photos showing that Ukrainian TB2s were experimenting with some special systems in their pylons were leaked to the internet.

It probably takes very huge energy to make an FA-18 Growler-level escort jamming and effectively use an EAU at that level. Therefore, as platforms with higher capacity (electric power and payload) come into play, developments will continue on more sophisticated systems in the light of operational experiences.

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First-gen MIUS(Baykar) will be the high subsonic UCAV, while Göksungur(TAI) will be the supersonic loyal wing, as these were announced before. The first two aircraft will be the first steps of two different programs at the same time. Both programs will expand to more sophisticated solutions over time. We are likely to see the pre-teasers of these aircraft at IDEF-21. But if we look at the project schedules, designs will be shared with open sources in 2021, in any case.

Development of a large number of advanced UAV systems announced or not is underway. Just a few days ago TAI head Kotil made some important statements. In addition, a completely unmanned next-gen fighter-interceptor platform suggestion came from Baykar. There are not many Turkish members here, so there is no regular flow of information about all developments on these issues. Much of what is known here about these issues are developments dating back the last few years. For more detailed information on these subjects, I recommend you to follow up the Turkish sources on the internet.
 

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There is some developments following the road from the smallest platform to the larger platforms. For example:


TAF had also found the opportunity to test some systems on platforms such as Tb-2 and Anka, on actual warfare conditions. Also, some photos showing that Ukrainian TB2s were experimenting with some special systems in their pylons were leaked to the internet.

It probably takes very huge energy to make an FA-18 Growler-level escort jamming and effectively use an EAU at that level. Therefore, as platforms with higher capacity (electric power and payload) come into play, developments will continue on more sophisticated systems in the light of operational experiences.

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First-gen MIUS(Baykar) will be the high subsonic UCAV, while Göksungur(TAI) will be the supersonic loyal wing, as these were announced before. The first two aircraft will be the first steps of two different programs at the same time. Both programs will expand to more sophisticated solutions over time. We are likely to see the pre-teasers of these aircraft at IDEF-21. But if we look at the project schedules, designs will be shared with open sources in 2021, in any case.

Development of a large number of advanced UAV systems announced or not is underway. Just a few days ago TAI head Kotil made some important statements. In addition, a completely unmanned next-gen fighter-interceptor platform suggestion came from Baykar. There are not many Turkish members here, so there is no regular flow of information about all developments on these issues. Much of what is known here about these issues are developments dating back the last few years. For more detailed information on these subjects, I recommend you to follow up the Turkish sources on the internet.
thanks that cleared up some questions i had. I saw a pic of an ANKA drone that claimed it was for EW on this forum. Was that a working prototype or has it been put into service ?
if so can it be cleared for export ?
 

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thanks that cleared up some questions i had. I saw a pic of an ANKA drone that claimed it was for EW on this forum. Was that a working prototype or has it been put into service ?
if so can it be cleared for export ?
I need to know exactly what configuration you mean.

If you are referring to the ANKA-I variant, this system is known to be a kind of SIGINT aircraft that includes COMINT Subsystems and ESM / ELINT Subsystems, and an aircraft designed to predict/listening or cutting possible radio and data-links.

This system has been used successfully in cross-border operations. Currently, MIT and TAF are actively using it. Ofc, I dont have any information about the export possibilities of the system, but I can bold under that one of the main factor of increases the competitiveness of SSB in potential markets is its open to technology sharing aproach.
 

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I need to know exactly what configuration you mean.

If you are referring to the ANKA-I variant, this system is known to be a kind of SIGINT aircraft that includes COMINT Subsystems and ESM / ELINT Subsystems, and an aircraft designed to predict/listening or cutting possible radio and data-links.

This system has been used successfully in cross-border operations. Currently, MIT and TAF are actively using it. Ofc, I dont have any information about the export possibilities of the system, but I can bold under that one of the main factor of increases the competitiveness of SSB in potential markets is its open to technology sharing aproach.
yes this the variant i was talking about.
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wish your engineers and researchers success in all stages of developing these systems. Thanks
 

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Just a few days ago TAI head Kotil made some important statements. In addition, a completely unmanned next-gen fighter-interceptor platform suggestion came from Baykar. There are not many Turkish members here, so there is no regular flow of information about all developments on these issues. Much of what is known here about these issues are developments dating back the last few years. For more detailed information on these subjects, I recommend you to follow up the Turkish sources on the internet.
This sounds interesting. I also agree there are not many turks here so the flow of news is not that much. Do you have turkish websites to follow things closely. Because so much development at times it is hard to keep updated
 

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