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    Putin Looks to Pakistan as Cold War Friend India Buys U.S. Arms

    By Natalie Obiko Pearson and N.C Bipindra Nov 24, 2014 2:30 AM GMT+0800

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin is seeking to build military ties with Pakistan as India buys more weapons from the U.S., changing an approach toward the nuclear-powered neighbors that has endured since the Cold War.


    Sergei Shoigu, making the first visit by a Russian defense minister to Pakistan since the Soviet Union’s collapse, last week signed a “milestone” military cooperation agreement. The world community “wants to do business with Pakistan now,” Shoigu said, according to a Pakistan government statement.

    The move comes as Putin seeks to expand relations with Asia in the face of growing isolation from the U.S. and its allies over his support for separatist rebels in Ukraine. The U.S. overtook Russia as India’s biggest weapons supplier in recent years, prompting leaders in Moscow to reassess their strategy toward South Asia.

    “We’re seeing a new Russia,” C. Uday Bhaskar, director of the Delhi-based Society for Policy Studies. “With India now widening its search for defense supplies to the U.S. and Israel, Russia too wants to expand the market for its equipment. Both Russia and India are reviewing their policies.”

    Putin plans to visit India next month to meet with Modi as Russia seeks to counter sanctions from the U.S. and others. Russia this month announced plans to build a second gas pipeline to China, an ally of Pakistan, in a move that would cement Putin’s policy of tilting energy exports toward Asia.

    “China and Russia are also allying themselves, so it’s also one factor why Russia is looking toward Pakistan more cooperatively,” retired Lieutenant General Talat Masood, a former chairman of Pakistan Ordnance Factories, said by phone from Islamabad. “It’s important to be an ally of an ally.”

    Ruble Tumbles

    Russia’s gross domestic product will contract by 1.7 percent next year after stalling in 2014, with inflation rising to 8.4 percent from 7.6 percent, IHS Inc. forecasts. The ruble has fallen about 28 percent against the U.S. dollar this year, the worst performance among 24 emerging market currencies tracked by Bloomberg.

    Russia and the Soviet Union have been India’s biggest weapons suppliers, accounting for about 70 percent of its arms imports since 1950, according to data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Pakistan, by contrast, has received only 2 percent of its weapons from Russia and the Soviet Union in that time, with the majority provided by the U.S. and China, the data show.

    Russia and Pakistan plan to increase port calls of warships, cooperate in fighting terrorism and help stabilize Afghanistan, Russian state news service Tass reported. Shoigu also met Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who said steps were needed to boost the $542 million of bilateral trade between the two nations, according to the state-run Pakistan Broadcasting Corp.

    ‘Critical Juncture’

    “Shoigu’s visit has come at a very critical juncture when U.S.-led NATO forces are drawing down from Afghanistan by the end of 2014,” Pakistan’s government said in a statement. “Apart from promoting bilateral defense relations, the visit will enable both countries to join hands in bringing peace and stability in the region.”

    It’s important for countries to balance ties between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since they were split after British rule ended in 1947. U.S. President Barack Obama called Pakistani leader Sharif last week, shortly after accepting an invitation from Modi to attend India’s Republic Day parade on Jan. 26.

    The U.S. surpassed Russia as India’s top supplier of defense equipment in the three years to March, according to figures submitted to parliament in August. They were followed by France and Israel.

    India Artillery

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking to modernize India’s armed forces and shift toward more domestic production to reduce reliance on imports.

    Two days ago, India approved a 158 billion-rupee ($2.5 billion) purchase of artillery, the first acquisition of large-caliber guns since the 1980s. If a foreign manufacturer wins the tender, the first 100 pieces will be imported and the remaining 714 will be made in India through technology transfer.

    Alexander Kadakin, Russia’s ambassador in New Delhi, last year questioned India’s fairness in awarding defense contracts, telling the Hindustan Times “we know what gimmicks are used to manipulate deals.” He said that Russia has always stood by India and losing its position as the country’s top weapons supplier “causes damage to our reputation.”

    Kadakin earlier this year dismissed concerns that Russia was changing its policy toward India in discussing the sale of Mi-35 defense helicopters to Pakistan. “Nothing will be done that will be detrimental to the deep relationship with India,” Press Trust of India quoted Kadakin as saying.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Natalie Obiko Pearson in New Delhi atnpearson7@bloomberg.net; N.C Bipindra in New Delhi at nbipindra@bloomberg.net

    To contact the editors responsible for this story: Daniel Ten Kate at dtenkate@bloomberg.netJeanette Rodrigues

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    Well selling 20 MI-35 is good may be they may sell more MI17 but if they agree to sell MI 28 in large numbers that would be game changer.
     
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    Good one.
     
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    @Horus with this fragile economy we can not build any strong ties with any country @Horus sir what do you say about this, in my opinion game is shifting but due to monetary problems we are still frozen or in other words still tied in a bond with WEST.
     
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    Price tag for mi 28 is 15-16 million USD so for some time forget about them.
     
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    India with a lots of weapon purchased from non Russian sources is still a very big purchaser of Russian arms. It outnumbers Pakistani purchase by many more times.
     
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    If Putin is looking for some hard cash, only disappointment would be there for him in Pakistan. Not sure if he has enough for soft/hard loans/aid in this testing times.
     
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    Typical western yellow journalists Don't understand what whole fuss about india.US is much evolved india as much it is in Pakistan even more
     
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    Its not the issue of Indian purchase Vs. Pakistan's 'purchase', it about the opening of Russian Defence Industries for Pakistan's 'Direct Purchases'.

    Every reasonable person can understand that India would remain a big buyer of Russian defence equipments and spare parts for some time because of the current arsenal of Indian defence forces form Kilo & Akula class submarines to the SU, MiG series jets, from radars to S-300 and AAM.

    From Pakistan perspective it all about 'wining' a new partner'
     
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    You can win a new partner, and I am all for it because its good for you. But in our case we are not loosing a partner too. And you know what they say in international relations no friend or foe is permanent, we Indians know this game very well and we have mastered it long back.
     
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    when Pakistan can court US and Russia together then you think india can't do it?? Lol
    And isnt it ironical that Russian defnce minister's visit to Pakistan comes at time when Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff Gen. Raheel Sharif is in the US for a series of meetings with U.S. defense and national security officials??
    So stop reading too much between the lines is what I would say to the Pakistani journos.
     
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    You think Putin doesn't know that? The entire world knows that the Pakistani government survives on foreign aid and loans. So, why did Putin opt for Pakistan? This question becomes all the more relevant. Tides are indeed changing quite rapidly. Russia isn't putting all its eggs in one basket anymore. Don't act all surprised now. Expect Russian military hardware on soft terms. Russia is seeking to mend ties with Pakistan. This can only be good for the region. The Cold War is over and time has come to move on. Pakistan too seeks better relations with an important regional player, namely Russia. A win win if you ask me.
     
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    Great Achievement!!

    Because of US, we are going close to Russia which is good thing because we need to cooperate more with our Asian countries more than countries of other continents.
     
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    One tends to read too much into minor changes. Pakistan has been courting Russia desperately from a long while and the present situation in Russia forces it to accept any hand that's willingly approaching it. Plus the regional grouping of SCO and China pushing Russia towards its allies. Russia has also one eye on Afghanistan and another factor being India spreading it's purchases beyond its traditional seller.

    In spite of all these factors what Russia has still done is kept Pakistan at a cursory level - its just stage 1 and will remain so until Pakistan distances itself from the US, which is not happening in a hurry.
     
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    nobody is saying that India has lost Russia,

    Just Imagine that you are having a dinner with a lovely & beautiful lady who is 'fortunately' the GF of your rival and you know this, she know this and even you rival know this, it does not matter that she will go back to your rival or they have not break-up yet (Putin coming visit to India), but still those moments are 'worthy and enjoyable' knowing that You have your new resourceful 'source' which can be utilized to your 'benefit' if not against your rival.

    that's why I said 'wining' not 'winning'
     
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