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PTI has unprecedented support from establishment: Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry

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True, but I thought DG ISPR said that the army has nothing to do with politics?

Also, Fawad Ch might be one of the first to jump ship from the party when that support is fully withdrawn.



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The establishment is the most vague term in Pakistan since Islamic republic - its the army, not the army - its army +judiciary + bureaucracy then its all of them against each other. At this rate I am prepared to include Pappu samraat as part of the establishment.

In 1960’s Kennedy was genuinely threatened by the cabal of US military leadership and associated hawks in bureaucracy and politics - that too was an “establishment”. The establishment is anything or anyone in leadership or key roles that has common self interests it wants to promote. It was not, is not and will never be a constant organization or organism.
 

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The same judiciary that eants government to seek permission before arrest?
 

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The Establishment in Pakistan is a terminology used to refer to the deep state cooperative federation of the Pakistan Armed Forces, the Pakistani intelligence community and other pro-military government officials and civilians. Along with the top Economists and pro-military Bureaucrats. According to Some sources, it also includes Advocates and pro-military Media Personnel.
 

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Well if the establishment really did support the government, PTI would not have lost any of the by elections.
 

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and yet we have no proper reforms anywhere. Police, judiciary, bureaucracy, mafias, all doing what they do. I know PMIK is different man than rest of them. He is trying. Really trying. The man needs support around him not leeches.
 

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What is the establishment anyway? How do you define them?
Establishment
Establishment a group or class of people having institutional authority within a society, esp those who control the civil service, the government, the armed forces, and the Church: usually identified with a conservative outlook.
The Establishment in Pakistan is a terminology used to refer to the deep state cooperative federation of the Pakistan Armed Forces, the Pakistani intelligence community and other pro-military government officials and civilians. Along with the top Economists and pro-military Bureaucrats. According to Some sources, it also includes Advocates and pro-military Media Personnel.
You are right on the mark. But, the above definition applies to each and every country, not just Pakistan.
 

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Why does he have to say this. Dumb! Even if they have support, just shut the hell up.
 

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Why does he have to say this. Dumb! Even if they have support, just shut the hell up.
It's typical Fawad Ch hype. He has an ego even bigger than him, he can't help saying such things to taunt the opposition. It's good politcs though.

Now when challenged he can say it simply means that all the state insitutions are working together with the government. If someone tries to claim it means establishment support for PTI in the elections he can simply point to their by-election defeats and say if it was the case, we'd have won these elections.
 

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so opposition kahay ke hamare sath hai tou kisi ko issue nahi but govt kahay tou media ko jalan
 

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so opposition kahay ke hamare sath hai tou kisi ko issue nahi but govt kahay tou media ko jalan
When both say it, it is wrong. First is speaks to the lack of maturity of our government institutions, that they are unable to operate within their swim lanes and need this constant validation and soft approvals. Second it sends the wrong message to the establishment and gives them a larger say than they should have. Third it makes the civilians seems like little children looking for parental love. Fourth it gives detractors of Pakistan the fodder they need around their constant narrative that Military is running everything behind the scene. In all these circumstances it does not work for Pakistan. Might work for people's ego, might give a thumb in the eye to the opposition, might give an ego boost to the military - all of which are parochial interests and totally irrelevant to the larger interest which is Pakistan.
 

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When both say it, it is wrong. First is speaks to the lack of maturity of our government institutions, that they are unable to operate within their swim lanes and need this constant validation and soft approvals. Second it sends the wrong message to the establishment and gives them a larger say than they should have. Third it makes the civilians seems like little children looking for parental love. Fourth it gives detractors of Pakistan the fodder they need around their constant narrative that Military is running everything behind the scene. In all these circumstances it does not work for Pakistan. Might work for people's ego, might give a thumb in the eye to the opposition, might give an ego boost to the military - all of which are parochial interests and totally irrelevant to the larger interest which is Pakistan.
what you are saying is good for west democracy. If media or judricial or politican party were against these estabisument. they can easy boycott election and all. Instead what they do first they take part and when lost blame on establishment. if it wasnt establishment, nawaz and zardari would have sold Pakistan. In pakistan all awam, court, media, politicans kept establishment alive so that they can blame them and hide if something goes wrong by them.
 

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