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Prototype of the new Centauro II will be unveiled at the Eurosatory 2016

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  1. Zarvan

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    Prototype of «Centauro II» (c) militarypedia.it
    The prototype of the new Centauro II wheeled tank will be unveiled at the Eurosatory 2016 show in Paris.

    The «Centauro II» is the latest version. Its fitted with a 120mm smoothbore main gun. The «Centauro 2»vehicle features a new interior layout and based on Freccia 8×8 wheeled Infantry fighting vehicle.

    The new Centauro II wheeled tank program would receive €160 million via the 2016 Italian defense budget, that reported by Defense News.

    In Italy spotted prototype of «Centauro II» wheeled armoured fighting vehicle

    http://defence-blog.com/army/protot...led-at-the-eurosatory-2016-show-in-paris.html
     
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    Wheeled tank :omghaha:

    The Centauro is a family of vehicles originally designed as a wheeled tank destroyer for light to medium territorial defense and tactical reconnaissance.
    The Centauro was designed after a 1984 specification asking for a fast tactical reconnaissance vehicle with the same firepower as the OF-40, the Leopard I then built under licence by an industrial consortium.
     
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    May be Pak Army should have such high mobile plar forms along with APCs armed with ATGMs to support Cavalry.
     
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    In urban combat with close range... It will outperform a MBT.
     
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    I prefer these for Para Military forces
     
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    Why?
    It has far lesser armor and thus much more vulnerable. Originally, the Centauro hull is an all-welded steel armoured hull, which in the baseline configuration is designed to withstand 14.5 mm bullets and shell fragments with protection against 25 mm munition on the frontal section. The addition of bolt-on appliqué armour increases protection against 30 mm rounds.


    It is not really shorter, but light and narrower than an MBT. And faster (108km/h).
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    The lesser weight might be, it can access some area out of reach for a 50tons monster in urban setup.
     
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    Yes, because it is shorter, narrower and lighter but it is not without risk. A vehicle like this in fire support role should keep distance to exploit the range and power of the gun.

    B1 Centauro
    Weight 24,000 kg
    Length 7.85 m (25 ft 9 in) (gun forward)
    Width 2.94 m (9 ft 8 in)
    Height 2.73 m (8 ft 11 in)

    Ariete MBT
    Weight 54 t (53 long tons; 60 short tons)
    Length 9.52 m (31.2 ft)
    Width 3.61 m (11.8 ft)
    Height 2.45 m (8.0 ft)

    M1 Abrams
    Weight
    M1: 60 short tons (54 t)
    M1A1: 63 short tons (57 t)
    M1A2: 68 short tons (62 t)
    Length
    Gun forward: 32.04 ft (9.77 m)
    Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m)
    Width 12 ft (3.66 m)
    Height 8 ft (2.44 m)

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    I like it. would be a good rat and tank killer.


    just need to put a RWS on it though.
     
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    As it said: The prototype of the new Centauro II wheeled tank will be unveiled at the Eurosatory 2016 show in Paris.

    The Centauro B1 was developed by a consortium of manufacturers, the Società Consortile Iveco Fiat - Oto Melara (CIO). Iveco Fiat was tasked with developing the hull and propulsion systems while Oto Melara was responsible for developing the turrets and weapon systems..

    Lets see Oto Melara land systems
    http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/p...-3/sistemi-arma-terrestri-land-weapon-systems

    Hit Role light
    http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/hitrole-light
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    Hitrole
    http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/hitrole
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    Count on it that if a customer demands a remote control station, it gets a remote control station.

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    http://www.militarypedia.it/iveco-centauro/
     
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    to really make this thing a beast this is what is needed



    RWS- like you posted hitrole
    RPG protection- Q-NET
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    Soft kill protection- CLOUD


    Advance Ammunition- http://www.army-technology.com/news...elop-120mm-amp-round-for-abrams-tanks-4691005
     
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    I wasn't making a wish list (and I ain't gonna start now).
     
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    that's my wish list
     
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    Thus this confirms what I have said...

    Its narrower thus it can fit in narrow streets which for example in capital city of my country it would have pretty much everywhere...

    It mobility is a killer, since its whelled thus it has faster acceleration and sterring would result in massive speed drop off...

    It both tank and this whelled AFV turret need two seconds for 90 degree turn and AFV can also quickly steer thus further reducing time to aim cannon towards the tank...

    Tanks in urban combat are coffins... Vukovar is prime example of that with dozens of tanks being nailed by a.single man... M1A2 or T90 are good againwt insurgents but not against modern military with ATMs penetrating meter of steel.
     
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    Tanks can turn on the spot, which is something wheeled vehicles can't.

    If tanks, with their superior armor, are vulnerable in an urban setting then I don't see how a lightly armored wheeled TD could possibly be superior: fire power is the same (120mm cannon, turret rotation speed probably similar, not sure if Centauro is as stable if firing to full left or full right compared to MBT), mobility differs primarily in top speed and - possibly - acceleration. Still, I don't see how top speed would matter much in confined urban setting and I doubt dash speed / acceleration would differ much. So, the only advantage left is acces (lesser size, in relation to street width and e.g. bridge carrying capability).

    Acceleration
    Leopard 2A4: 0-32km/h in under 6 seconds, full (hull) rotation on the spot in 10 seconds (similar LeClerc and Arriete)
    M1 Abrams: 0-20 mp/h (32 km/h) in 7 seconds (M1/ IPM1; M1A1), 7.2 seconds (M1A2)
    Centauro: 0-70 mph in 30 seconds (one could estimate: ((20*30))/70 = 8.6 sec for 0-20mp/h assuming linear relationship, which in reality would likely be an underestimation as the speed x time is a curve, which would get flatter as time progresses and speed increases)

    https://books.google.nl/books?id=-AokEG9Hvt4C&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq="leopard+2"+acceleration&source=bl&ots=y-E9z-_pbh&sig=z-hXIyFLvyya4d0geqWYCw5qKH0&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivmb7NlfLMAhWkC8AKHaCmDNYQ6AEIRTAE#v=onepage&q="leopard 2" acceleration&f=false
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm
    http://military.wikia.com/wiki/FIAT_IVECO_/_OTO_Melara_B1_Centauro

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    "Do it right, and the Abrams rocks back on its hull and lunges, at least to 10 mp/h [16.1km/h], which zings by in 1.4 seconds. The 20-mp/h [32.2 km/h] mark passes in 6.4 seconds, at which point seismic sensors in L.A. start twitching. The acceleration slows substantially at 30 mp/h [48.3km/h](15.5 seconds), and the quarter-mile doesn't hit until 32.1 seconds at 38.8 mp/h [62.4km/h = about top speed M1A1 of 62.8km/h]."
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1284937/posts

    Clearly, the heavier MBT is at a disadvantage in that it has a lower top speed, and getting it there takes some effort, but the example does show that the initial acceleration is pretty darn good. Haven't seen any data on that for 24ton Centauro, though, but I doubt a big difference.

    For comparison, the M60 Sabra upgrade provides a maximum road speed of 48km/h and accelerates from 0km/h to 32km/h in 9.6 seconds.
    http://www.army-technology.com/projects/sabra/

    As compared to your basic M60A3
    Performance, Acceleration 0 to 20 mph in 15 secs
    Maximum speed 30 mph, cross-country speed 10 to 12 mph
    http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMB2BF_M60A3_Battle_Tank_Moscow_OH

    A T-72 reengined by NIMDA with a 1000hp Perkins CV-12-1000 TCA CONDOR to T-72M4 CZ standard does 0-32km in half the time the 780hp original did. Looking at the speed x time chart in the (old) brochure, the reengined vehicle does 0 to 38km/h in about 8 seconds (therefore 16 seconds for the original, i.e. very comparable to original M-60)
    http://www.nimda.co.il/199098/T-72-1
    http://www.nimda.co.il/image/users/199098/ftp/my_files/t72/T-72.pdf?id=9266537

    This goes to show how much faster modern tanks accelerate compared to the previous generation.
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