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That's just concept, the real world works based on what we see and hear everyday. Indonesia for a long time is under shadow of sunlight, we have to study comprehensively, know every corner of these islands.
That's just concept, the real world works based on what we see and hear everyday. Indonesia for a long time is under shadow of sunlight, we have to study comprehensively, know every corner of these islands.
Indonesia is hot recently. Sit at the crossroad of QUAD Indo Pacific Strategy.
Indonesia will be hurt badly, their peaceful days is gone I suppose.
The WASP are really good at it.
Keep watching.
 

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Australia and USA work.

Australia is a dirty country, but acting like an innocent.
The way i see it by now ... It's was more of some clueless SJW wannabes that get some shaddy financing sources and information . Even the western public are starting to questioning their motives and means ..
 

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The way i see it by now ... It's was more of some clueless SJW wannabes that get some shaddy financing sources and information . Even the western public are starting to questioning their motives and means ..
You are as innocent as boy scout.
Indonesia is damn too big for Australia to sleep well.
 

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You are as innocent as boy scout.
Indonesia is damn too big for Australia to sleep well.
Oh , you guess ?? Every nation has their own interest and aspiration . Compare the hasle on what would be wrought to the australian if papua ever in flames the chinese would be more interested to keep flaming the embers for their own interest ...
Nobody was saint in international politic
 

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Oh , you guess ?? Every nation has their own interest and aspiration . Compare the hasle on what would be wrought to the australian if papua ever in flames the chinese would be more interested to keep flaming the embers for their own interest ...
Nobody was saint in international politic
that I agree. no one is saint. I am just saying I will not sleep well if I knew Indonesia will be a developed, prospers country, with damn 10 times more populations, right on my doorsteps.

Australia is one of the QUAD, they are helping the Yankees to control Indo Pacific. While Indonesia is on the crossroad, such as Strait of Malacca, Sunda Strait, Lombok Strait.

One thing for sure, Australians and Yankees want to control those Strait.
 

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that I agree. no one is saint. I am just saying I will not sleep well if I knew Indonesia will be a developed, prospers country, with damn 10 times more populations, right on my doorsteps.

Australia is one of the QUAD, they are helping the Yankees to control Indo Pacific. While Indonesia is on the crossroad, such as Strait of Malacca, Sunda Strait, Lombok Strait.

One thing for sure, Australians and Yankees want to control those Strait.
better one nation one strait, share it good for everybody.
 

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Timor was Portugal colony, Indonesia was Nertherland colony, they were diferrent countries from origin.
East Timor was annexed because back in the time of the Cold War, we don't want the leftist FRETILIN to control East Timor, just as Angola controlled by Pro-Soviet MPLA. It's not about what is right or what is wrong, sometimes we have to be pragmatic too for a greater good.
 
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East Timor was annexed because back in the time of the Cold War, we don't want the leftist FRETILIN to control East Timor, just as Angola controlled by Pro-Soviet MPLA. It's not about what is right or what is wrong, sometimes we have to be pragmatic too for a greater good.
That's a new knowledge. What's about the result?
 

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The West left us after the Soviet was not a threat anymore.
You guys like to find out reasons to explain what you did. The outside observers can make good laugh of the childish reasons. Follow your heart, speak out loudly: you want the territory, but failed finally. That's so simple to accept the fact.
 

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You guys like to find out reasons to explain what you did. The outside observers can make good laugh of the childish reasons. Follow your heart, speak out loudly: you want the territory, but failed finally. That's so simple to accept the fact.
You have to see things case per case. I will give an example back in the time of Soekarno. Malaysia, Soekarno want to annexed Malaysia because he was had a "Eastern Bloc" way of thinking, and don't like the British backed Malaysia. And you know who stop his Malaysia ambition?, it's the West aligned Indonesian Army. Do after that we want to expand to Malaysia again?. I explain about this to give you an example that that our history is not only filled with ambitions of expand. We are not as what you said that we only want to expand.
 
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that I agree. no one is saint. I am just saying I will not sleep well if I knew Indonesia will be a developed, prospers country, with damn 10 times more populations, right on my doorsteps.

Australia is one of the QUAD, they are helping the Yankees to control Indo Pacific. While Indonesia is on the crossroad, such as Strait of Malacca, Sunda Strait, Lombok Strait.

One thing for sure, Australians and Yankees want to control those Strait.
You think US and Ozz were the only one concerned ?? Boy oh boy .... Such a naivety

better one nation one strait, share it good for everybody.
Yeah , you wish.... 😀😀
You guys like to find out reasons to explain what you did. The outside observers can make good laugh of the childish reasons. Follow your heart, speak out loudly: you want the territory, but failed finally. That's so simple to accept the fact.
If it wasn't out of habibie's kindness and public loathing for such endeavour timor leste was never set free !! Why ?? Because even the UN security doesn't even asking or question such teritorial disputes at all
Another why ??? Because clinton doesn't want to get pulled into such mess .
Referendum was purely granted from indonesian side !! It was never asked by the world power at that time
 

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You think US and Ozz were the only one concerned ?? Boy oh boy .... Such a naivety



Yeah , you wish.... 😀😀

If it wasn't out of habibie's kindness and public loathing for such endeavour timor leste was never set free !! Why ?? Because even the UN security doesn't even asking or question such teritorial disputes at all
Another why ??? Because clinton doesn't want to get pulled into such mess .
Referendum was purely granted from indonesian side !! It was never asked by the world power at that time
We may post some videos how the timor men killed and women rapped by indons if the video can be posted here.
Justice never comes too late.
 

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We may post some videos how the timor men killed and women rapped by indons if the video can be posted here.
Justice never comes too late.
Go ahead and posted .... we indonesian doesn't care !!

And there is a lot of videos and pictures of xianjiang atrocities circulating in the internet too wether they were genuine or not it doesn't matter in this narration and themes . Hell , if i would be bothering my self in this fruitless endeavour i could dig some old archives about the timorese atrocities too but who cares ?? We the indonesian didn't even cares anymore it's all in the past and we ain't live for the yesterday years and and nobody was innocent like they proclaimed to be anyway . unlike some people We never proclaimed our self as a saint and we never were . But fact are fact regardless
Referendum were granted by the Indonesian and the East timor will pay for the consequences of their choices as a sovereign of their own self as they wishes to be
 

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