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May be it is true for the Bhutto family but not for the Sharif family. They didnt have the lands.
You will find a lot of people with Land in Punjab and in Sindh but they dont have politcal parties. Even the ones that are in the existing parties dont feel the urge to overthrow the current families. Why ?
Sharif family is considered richest in the Country.

Politics revolve around ethnocentrism, tribalism and capitalism in Pakistan.

I am not talking from adopted countries prespective.
I mean why do they take the oath and dont actually mean anything by it. Because if they take the Oat wholeheartedlythey wouldnt interfere in Pakistan affairs, they wouldnt request for Voting rights, they wouldnt come back to Pakistan to work with the Govt and this is how it is Pakistan's problem.
Please refer to my thread about Pakistani Heimweh.

These people are not Pakistans problem in a political sense. They can use their Billions and Billions of dollars to do Business but not politics in Pakistan.
 

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Totally reject such BS proposal, Pakistani constitution is clear about who can contest elections in Pakistan and it is certainly not someone who holds nationality of a country other than Pakistan.

In fact Pakistan needs to abolish dual nationality law all together, if a Pakistani takes up another nationality his Pakistani nationality should be declared cancelled automatically.

Every single leader of Pakistan has lived abroad. Even the founder of Pakistan.
Living abroad is one thing but taking up the nationality of that country is an entirely different thing.
 
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I do not agree with this.... despite being an overseas Pakistani myself. Voting ki hadh tak theek tha but getting office is too much.
 

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Sharif family is considered richest in the Country.

Politics revolve around ethnocentrism, tribalism and capitalism in Pakistan.



Please refer to my thread about Pakistani Heimweh.

These people are not Pakistans problem in a political sense. They can use their Billions and Billions of dollars to do Business but not politics in Pakistan.
When it comes to lust for Power family means nothing. History is littered with such examples, take Mughals for example.
Wih Bhuttos we have seen how some of them were killed. With Sharif's we have not seen such a thing.
Lustfor power is greater than ethnicity, bradri and wealth.

Share a link for "Pakistani Heimweh" thread.

On topic: Another thing to consider is that we keep on assuming that Dual Nationality is divides loyalty (which I think is incorrect) but what about Mir Jaffir and Mir Saddiq who only have one nationality but sell out the country for money.

We are overlooking the main issue here which is lack of checks and balance on the public servants and "training" on how not be corrupt/traitor.
 

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This is ridicilious really. It is ok if dual nationals are allowed to vote, in fact, for overseas Pakistanis voting should be a basic right that government of Pakistan should protect. However allowing them to contest in elections and hold public office is a big NO!
I think our PM should be dual national if we want to progress. Highly educated with good exposure of the west. Quad-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal both had foreign exposure same is true for Dr AQ Khan and Imran Khan.
 

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Another thing to consider is that we keep on assuming that Dual Nationality is divides loyalty (which I think is incorrect) but what about Mir Jaffir and Mir Saddiq who only have one nationality but sell out the country for money.

We are overlooking the main issue here which is lack of checks and balance on the public servants and "training" on how not be corrupt/traitor.
That would be some wild imagination.

They are only being asked to stay apolitical about Pakistan. Not being outcasted as Traitors.

Conflict of interest is a legal and a Moral reality.
 

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Voting is one thing but contest elections? PTI is going too far here to please their overseas crowd IMO. You cannot get back freaking Ishaq Dar from UK, good luck with corrupt dual nationals. Fact is no matter what people say, dual nationals have very little stake in Pakistan.
 

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Dual nationals should never be allowed to contest elections or even hold public office. They can serve as advisors or special assistants to PM etc but that's it. No public office for dual nationals.

Totally reject such BS proposal, Pakistani constitution is clear about who can contest elections in Pakistan and it is certainly not someone who holds nationality of a country other than Pakistan.

In fact Pakistan needs to abolish dual nationality law all together, if a Pakistani takes up another nationality his Pakistani nationality should be declared cancelled automatically.
Totally agreed. In fact, the laws for Pakistani nationality needs to be revisited. Only a child who is born in Pakistan should be given Pakistani nationality.
 

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Dual nationals should never be allowed to contest elections or even hold public office. They can serve as advisors or special assistants to PM etc but that's it. No public office for dual nationals.



Totally agreed. In fact, the laws for Pakistani nationality needs to be revisited. Only a child who is born in Pakistan should be given Pakistani nationality.
Indeed in case of all the Pakistani people living outside of Pakistan, no one has forced them to go there and settle there, in fact there was a time when government of Pakistan had very "strict" rules to even issue a "passport" to travel to foreign countries until early 70s, all that changed in ZA Bhutto's time who relaxed the rules to acquire passport for common Pakistanis because he wanted to send them to Gulf countries to earn foreign exchange for Pakistan. I don't even know who the hell made these "dual nationality laws" that a Pakistani can have a foreign nationality in addition to Pakistani nationality, I always find this the most ridiculous law ever made in the history of Pakistan. The law should be very clear that if a Pakistani acquires a foreign nationality by his own will, his Pakistani nationality should be automatically cancelled, plain and straight. We have no "deficiency" of people in Pakistan since our population is already 220 million people, so I don't really understand what is purpose behind this ridiculous law to let someone keep Pakistani nationality in addition to an acquired foreign nationality. Even more ridiculous is that even the "children" of a foreign nationality holder "Pakistani" are also allowed to get Pakistani nationality, can it get even more ridiculous than this BS. A child born to a foreign nationality holder "once upon a Pakistani" should never be allowed to acquire Pakistani nationality just because his foreign nationality holder daddy was at one point the holder of Pakistani nationality.
 

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Proposal to let dual nationals contest elections
Imran Ayub | Syed Irfan RazaUpdated July 26, 2019
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A meeting of the federal cabinet was presided over by Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday. — Photo courtesy Radio Pakistan.


KARACHI / ISLAMABAD: The government has decided to allow dual-national Pakistanis to contest elections in the country.

A meeting of the federal cabinet, presided over by Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday, also decided to bring five major regulatory bodies under the cabinet and approved a proposal for removing the column of profession from the national passport.

The prime minister briefed the cabinet members on his US visit and termed it a successful one in which he had presented the country’s case in a befitting manner. About the opposition’s ‘black day’ protest across the country on the occasion of the first anniversary of the general election, he said the government had no policy to block opposition’s public meetings.

The Special Assistant to the PM on Information, Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan, said PM Khan wants dual national Pakistanis to become part of the country’s political system.

Briefing reporters soon after her arrival at Karachi airport about the 10-point agenda taken up by the cabinet, she said the prime minister had set up a high-powered committee comprising officials from the ministries concerned to suggest ways for making overseas Pakistanis legislators so that they could contribute to the country’s economy.

Cabinet decides to bring five major regulatory bodies under its purview; PM briefs meeting on his US visit

Dr Awan said two of those points were solely about overseas Pakistanis — their voting rights and the mechanism to allow them to become members of parliament.

PM Khan had a vision to utilise the talent and resources of overseas Pakistanis and dual nationals, she said. Therefore, she added, he had set up a committee representing ministries of foreign affairs, interior, parliamentary affairs and overseas Pakistanis to suggest a mechanism to remove hurdles in the way of dual nationals becoming legislators.

Ms Awan said the PM had issued directives to the relevant ministries as well as the Election Commission of Pakistan to come up with a comprehensive programme for giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis. The decision, if implemented, will require an amendment to the Constitution as its Article 63 (c) reads: “A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if he ceases to be a citizen of Pakistan, or acquires the citizenship of a foreign state.”

Ms Awan pointed out that the ECP had started the process of registration of overseas Pakistanis as voters, but it stopped for some reasons. “Now the PM has directed the ECP and other relevant departments to restart the process of registration of overseas Pakistanis on a war footing.”

Overseas Pakistanis as voters

A debate on the issue of registration of overseas Pakistanis as voters and allowing the dual nationals to contest the elections has been going on in the country for years. Some legislators were even disqualified for being dual nationals.

In October last year, the Supreme Court disqualified PML-N senators Haroon Akhtar and Sadia Abbasi, the sister of ex-PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, for being dual nationals at the time of filing of their nomination papers.

Read: SC bars govt officials from holding dual nationality

Former chief justice Saqib Nisar had also asked the lawyers of Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar and PML-N’s Nuzhat Sadiq to furnish their clients’ verified affidavits showing they had given up their second nationality before filing their nomination papers.

Similarly, on the insistence of the PTI, the issue of allowing overseas Pakistanis to vote was thoroughly discussed by the special parliamentary committee on election reforms during the previous PML-N government’s tenure. The PPP and PML-N always supported the idea of giving the right of vote to the overseas Pakistanis, but their members in the committee did not press for it when the ECP resisted the move.

The committee members were informed that even India had been unable to allow its nationals living abroad to poll their votes for certain reasons.

Mock exercise

On the directives of the parliamentary committee, the ECP conducted a mock exercise in four countries. However, the ECP officials informed the committee that the exercise had failed due to some technical and legal reasons.

They said they had carried out the mock exercise in seven embassies, high commissions and consulates in which only employees of the foreign missions had been asked to poll their votes for fictitious candidates through postal ballots and telephone voting.

However, not a single vote could be polled through telephone call whereas the postal ballots took six to 14 days to reach the ECP.

During the exercise, the ECP faced difficulties in handling a paltry 67 postal ballots that were polled, whereas 1.8 million overseas Pakistanis were living in Saudi Arabia alone.

Another problem that the ECP pointed out to the committee was that it had sent the ballot papers to overseas Pakistanis through email, whereas a significant number of Pakistanis working as labourers abroad had no access to emails.

Later, the ECP and Nadra informed the parliamentary committee that voters’ biometric verification, use of electronic voting machines (EVMs) and voting by overseas Pakistanis would not be possible in the 2018 elections because of security of data, if provided for online or offline verification of voters.

Read: I-voting drive draws tepid response from overseas Pakistanis

The ECP, however, was later asked by the SC to initiate the process of registering the overseas Pakistanis as a pilot project to allow them to vote in the by-elections which were to be held in 37 constituencies of national and provincial assemblies in October last year. However, only 7,419 overseas Pakistanis got themselves registered and when the by-elections were held, a little over 6,000 exercised their right of vote.

Regulatory bodies

It was decided to bring these regulatory bodies under the cabinet till further order: Pakistan Telecommunication Authority, Frequency Allocation Board, Oil and Gas Regulatory Authority, National Electric Power Regulatory Authority and Public Procurement Regulatory Authority.

The prime minister emphasised the need for reducing the role of regulations and regulatory authorities with the assistance of provincial governments and relevant departments so as to boost economic activities in the country and remove hurdles coming on account of regulations, said an official press release issued after the meeting.

Foreign visits of ex-rulers

A briefing was given on foreign visits by former rulers belonging to the two main opposition parties — PML-N and PPP — and it was decided that the money spent on their private visits, their camp offices and medical treatment should be recovered from them.

It was also decided that the government would review replies to the audit paras made during the two previous governments of PML-N and PPP.

“During the last 10 years former rulers have paid 333 foreign visits with 9,003 people at a cost Rs4.47 billion,” the press release said.

The meeting was informed that both PIA and Pakistan Post had become profit-earning organisations. PIA earned Rs46 million during the last two months. Similarly, Pakistan Post earned Rs18.05bn this year against last year’s Rs10.8bn.

Besides, the cabinet extended for 120 days the time for implementation of the 8th Wage Board Award for media persons. “While announcing the award, the government had allowed 180 days to the committee concerned for making a comprehensive report to implement it, but unfortunately the nomination of its members representing media owners was delayed. Now the prime minister has given another 120 days to complete the task within the stipulated timeframe so that the media workers are given their due rights,” she said.

Published in Dawn, July 26th, 2019

yes why not??????

half of the donkeys are imported from usa

the other half jackasses are from uk--------- whats the big deal-----

i would prefer next pm to be a gay..
 

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That would be some wild imagination.

They are only being asked to stay apolitical about Pakistan. Not being outcasted as Traitors.

Conflict of interest is a legal and a Moral reality.
It’s not wild imagination. How many caches do you know where dual national was not loyal.

There is no conflict of interest if a dual national renounces his nationality in order to contest the election.

As far as civil servants or other public sector jobs are concerned dual nationals should be allowed on a case by case basis where proper security checks are carried and only sensitive jobs are held back from such individuals.
 

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It’s not wild imagination. How many caches do you know where dual national was not loyal.

There is no conflict of interest if a dual national renounces his nationality in order to contest the election.

As far as civil servants or other public sector jobs are concerned dual nationals should be allowed on a case by case basis where proper security checks are carried and only sensitive jobs are held back from such individuals.
Its not fool proof enough
 

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No ...Its stupid and a security threat...no wonder all these moocharhs high class seculars sell pakistans interest so cheap .
 

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