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It allows decent against the government position. Decent is always important.
No it does not. The people have the primary right to know what exactly their rulers vote for so they can make informed decisions. If any politician wants to dissent and feels so as a principle he has right to openly make his feelings known. In UK the highest form of dissent is when people chose to resign. That is real dissent as it creates waves across the political arena.

Hiding and voting only invites intrigue, deception, corruption. Is that what you guys want? Accountability is only served in the OPEN.

Corruption only breeds undercover and hidden.
 

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In secret ballot nobody can beat Sitting Govt they have power funds and agencies available to grab loyalties of MPA it's best interest for democracy in Pakistan senat elections should held open and transparent manner Get what ur share is also bootout rich corrupt elites and bring more party loyalist In
 

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1. I think it's the right thing to do. Let them make it clear who they voted for. When people vote for a candidate they vote for a party as well as the person. They don't just vote for someone to do what is best for them individually. MNA's should not be taking bribes for votes.

2. Exactly how many laws can the President change?

3. I disagree with the khota biriyani eating Shia hating patwari who wants a show of hands in the general election. Non anonomised Records of who people voted for could lead to reprisals and encourage coercion of voters.
 

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Patwari use your brain. Ordinance says that if SC rules in favor of govt only then senate elections will happen on open ballot. Otherwise old rules will follow.
I'm being polite bastard, if dictators still went through parliament to acquire 2/3 majority for constitutional amendments then why would this drug infested traitor government want to make the supreme court a party to there machinations. Why are you so thick and all the people like you.
I'm being polite bastard, if dictators still went through parliament to acquire 2/3 majority for constitutional amendments then why would this drug infested traitor government want to make the supreme court a party to there machinations. Why are you so thick and all the people like you.
Are you blind that they are preempting a court judgement, are you both internally and externally blind
I'm being polite bastard, if dictators still went through parliament to acquire 2/3 majority for constitutional amendments then why would this drug infested traitor government want to make the supreme court a party to there machinations. Why are you so thick and all the people like you.

Are you blind that they are preempting a court judgement, are you both internally and externally blind
This will mean the courts are biased, making the rule of law which is already questionable completely redundant. The establishment is already seen as tarnished by supporting kushners puppy, now the courts. Are we heading for civil war
And if it is against people like you and your likes, bring it on
 
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A change in the constitution requires 2/3 majority in parliament, including the change in voting style for the senate.
Senate elections are held in a secret ballot whilst those for the pm etc are in open ballot.
One must ask why the difference was introduced in the original constitution of 1973.
It allows decent against the government position. Decent is always important.
Now one look into the current governments intentions.
The government felt a secret ballot was ok for the voting of no confidence against the current head of the senate as it suited them at that point.
Now the current government feels there is an undercurrent from within its own ranks which is against its policies.
Open ballot elections will maintain transparency in the Senate elections and an end to vote buying and selling forever.

PML_N and PPP both opposition parties wrote in Article 23 of the Charter of Democracy (CoD), that Senate elections would be held by open ballot. Signed by the then party heads, the late Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

Pakistan Decait Movement (PDM) calls the government fake and on the other hand, it wanted to go to the same fake assembly by participating in the Senate elections.
 

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I'm being polite bastard, if dictators still went through parliament to acquire 2/3 majority for constitutional amendments then why would this drug infested traitor government want to make the supreme court a party to there machinations. Why are you so thick and all the people like you.
Read the ordinance first, Patwari. It says that if SC rules that constitutional amendment is not required, then ordinance will become legal. As in extension case, SC ruled that constitutional amendment is required.
Are you blind that they are preempting a court judgement, are you both internally and externally blind
They are no preempting it, Patwari. If SC rules against the govt, then ordinance will be nullified. If SC rules in favor of govt, only then ordinance will become legal.

This will mean the courts are biased
If courts are biased, how did they cancel General Bajwa's extension and only legalized it after constitutional amendment.
 
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Read the ordinance first, Patwari. It says that if SC rules that constitutional amendment is not required, then ordinance will become legal. As in extension case, SC ruled that constitutional amendment is required.

They are no preempting it, Patwari. If SC rules against the govt, then ordinance will be nullified. If SC rules in favor of govt, only then ordinance will become legal.


If courts are biased, how did they cancel General Bajwa's extension and only legalized it after constitutional amendment.
The implication is that the courts are biased if they rubber stamp a presidential ordinance which has already been signed. Can you not see the issue df
Read the ordinance first, Patwari. It says that if SC rules that constitutional amendment is not required, then ordinance will become legal. As in extension case, SC ruled that constitutional amendment is required.

They are no preempting it, Patwari. If SC rules against the govt, then ordinance will be nullified. If SC rules in favor of govt, only then ordinance will become legal.


If courts are biased, how did they cancel General Bajwa's extension and only legalized it after constitutional amendment.
It's appearing the courts are being compromised.
It's not all about name calling etc dumbo. Are your parents cousins
 

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The implication is that the courts are biased if they rubber stamp a presidential ordinance which has already been signed. Can you not see the issue df
If that is implied, why doesn't it says so in Presidential Reference? Reference clearly says it is conditional on per SC rulings. Why are patwaris viewing it as pressure on SC? SC can already nullify this ordinance if it wants.
It's appearing the courts are being compromised.
Where does it appearing? On Maryam Nawaz social media khota biryani cells?
 

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