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[POLL] Type 055 vs Ticomderoga. Battle of the mighty beasts. Which more powerful?

Discussion in 'Naval Warfare' started by undertakerwwefan, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. Type 055

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  2. Ticonderoga

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    Not the same level from every area
     
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    One seems to forget that one of the largest gaps between the US and PLA Navies is in naval weaponry. The USN has long-range LACMs, SAMs, ABMs, MRSAMs, and stealthy AShMs in service or the pipeline, compatible with any vessel with a Mk. 41/57 VLS, while the PLAN has few equivalents. The vessels and sensors will be severely limited in performance and scope if the PLAN has no commensurate weapons.
     
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    The overall design of Type 55 is more advanced, plus those supersonic anti ship missiles and most importantly rail guns being tested for type 55.

    Ticonderoga on the other hand may have similar or better electronic suites but weaponry wise I believe it is only superior in AA capabilities. While in Ashm role, its 125 km harpoon missile may not be a better choice then YJ 12 in long range Ship to Ship warfare. Plus CJ-10 if not better is an adequate land attack cruise missile.

    Type 55 has more room for upgrades and has a future while Ticonderoga is a 1980's design with not much life span left.

    In my opinion it is far fetched to say harpoon is matured platform. As technology and time is moving forward these technologies are mimicked or reassessed into something better. What if YJ 12 turns out to be a better missile in actual scenario?

    My vote is for Type 55.
     
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    I don't know, but I think 055 is more beautiful.
     
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    Are you sure? Looks like you never do your home work well.....

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/194467/china-launches-two-more-type-055-destroyers,-may-be-armed-with-railgun.html

    One thing I want to mention. China as YJ-18 ashm which is 3 mach and longer range than US pathetic harpoon. 055 destroyer without airwing can still carry out anti ship role in certain long range compare to US destroyer...

    US destroyer can only rely on carrier airwing to carry out surface ship attack beyond 200km.
     
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    Nope. China has supersonic long range anti ship missiles. America don't have that.

    It's new ship. Look at Ticonderoga. Rusted. Built in the 1980s. They were supposed to replace Ticonderoga with Zumwalt but no money because too many Mexican immigrants.
     
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    Type 055 is definitely more advanced than 1980s Ticonderoga.

     
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    Type 055 is a modern design (aesthetically pleasing and spacious) - an important addition in PLAAN.

    Ticonderoga is relatively old design but a beast in terms of firepower and sensor suite onboard.

    Ticonderoga would have the upper hand in a fight (depending upon its arsenal).

    Say hello to SM-6 Block 1 - the most versatile offensive (and defensive) supersonic hybrid missile in existence.

    https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/sm-6

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ely-versatile-sm-6-missile-keeps-scoring-hits

    https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sm-6/

    Capabilities of SM-6 continue to surprise even its operators. This missile defeated DF-21D type maneuverable targets in largely classified live-fire events in 2016.

    Speed = MACH 3.5
    Range = 370 KM

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    Light is not infinitely fast. The longer the distance, the less accurate. Light's gonna take time getting to the missile and return to the radar. If the target is fast like a missile and the distance of the missile is 400 km away, radar will miss the target's location by hundreds of meters. In a war, 1 meter is the difference between life and death, let alone hundreds of meters.
     
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    Bad news for you. Proven in the 1800s light has a finite speed. If light travels 300 km and back, target moving at supersonic speed, radar computes location of target off by hundreds of meters, especially if light goes through cloud speed reduced to only like 60 or 70 percent. You miss the target by hundreds of meters, good luck hitting it.
     
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    Your math is a bit off, the speed of a mach 3.5 missile is about 1km per second, the speed of light is approx 300,000 kms per second. The radio waves will cross the 400km distance in 0.0013 of a second, so while the radio waves are returning to the receiver the missile would have traveled 1.33 meters, not hundreds of meters. That's not enough to make any real difference.
     
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    The block IV TLAM D tomahawk anti-ship variant will have a range of 1700 kms, scheduled to enter service in 2021.

    As mentioned by LeGend, the SM-6 has anti-ship capabilities at ranges up to 460kms.
     
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    The missile are low speed 0.8 Mach. Once detected, they are dead meat and can easily show down by CWIS.. Unlike Chinese YJ-18 going at terminal speed of mach 3 and doing aggressive evasive measure to shake off CWIS tracking. Plus if enemy radar detected it late, they will not have enough time to do countermeasure becos the missile leaves very little window time unlike a 0.8 Mach ASHM. It does not matter even the range is 10000km for tomahawk anti-ship missile.