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POLL: Should Turkey close Bosporos and force Russia to use Pacific ports and ship to Syria via Suez?

Discussion in 'Middle East & Africa' started by Austin Powers, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. Austin Powers

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    Egypt is hostile to Turkey so Russia gets to use Suez shipping from Nakhodka to Tartus but it is a longer route and uses more oil and oil is money.
     
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    It's not in Turkey's authority to close bosporus as all black sea countries including Russia,Bulgaria and Romania have equal rights on bosporus straits..... Russia and all black sea countries won't keep quite if Turkey does that....
     
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    Nope. They can't and that's why US pushed for many years to convince Turkey to contain Russian access to Mediterranean. The moment this occurs, Turkey will have the unconditional support of US and Europe (and NATO) so Russian retaliation is out of discussion. Therefore, the question is will the Turkish government implement such a decision? Why or why not?

    Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of Straits

    ARTICLE 20: In time of war, Turkey being belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10 to 18 shall not be applicable; the passage of warships shall be left entirely to the discretion of the Turkish Government.

    ARTICLE 21: Should Turkey consider herself to be threatened with imminent danger of war she shall have the right to apply the provisions of Article 20 of the present Convention. (this clause continues with a couple more paragraphs)

    Source: United Nations Treaty Collection (UNTC)

    https://treaties.un.org/pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280166981

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/LON/Volume 173/v173.pdf
     
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    You are talking about denying a natural right of a major power to its sea lines.... Do you know what kind of courage it would require? USA and NATO support will be there only in case of countries like Iran and not against Russia.... We have seen what USA and NATO did in Crimea case..... Those articles and provisions in it will remain on paper only if Russia determines to open up the sea lanes.... Don't forget that Russia will first cut the gas and oil flowing in their pipelines to Turkey...
     
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    The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits signed in 1936 prohibits Turkey from closing the straits.
     
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    That will be an act of war and declaration of war on turkey will happen if turkey blocks it.
     
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    Not to mention the countries on the Black Sea depend on that strait being open. Sounds like a easy way to bring foes together against Turkey in addition, They can airlift supplies over Iran and Iraq to Syria, though, not as much...
     
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    Well , They will support but the reality is that Turkey is the one who have to fight with Russia which mean your northern cities , your port and even Istanbul will get hit ....
    No European country will dare to attack Russia directly to assist Turkey ...


    Why you Turks become so naive !?
     
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    Turkey is weird.

    Russia is using their airbase to strike their opposition.

    US is using their airbase to support Kurdish separatist that is classified as terrorist organization by Turkey.

    They have the leverage to dictate but don't seem to have the balls to use it.
     
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    Not much they can do. Turkey's economy is dependent on Russian tourists. A war with Russia means no more Russian tourists means collapse of Turkish economy which means civil unrest which means overthrow of Erdogan.
     
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    Turkey will first have to say it is at war or threatened with imminent danger of war. With whom do you want to declare war ?
     
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    Turkey should take US and EU into confidence and increase the pressure on Russians. I think this is the only legitimate course of action given Russian murder of Turkish soldiers, while Turkey has done everything to prevent any attack on Russians in Syria.

    Ofcourse, timing needs to be precise, not too soon or too late.

    Iranians seem very bothered by this new development, therefore it seems to be the right course of action.
     
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    Turkey still has to learn that they have to take their enemy one at a time...
     
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    US, Russia, China , KSA, Israel. Too many boxes at the same time.