(i) PTI was a beneficiary of the secret ballot in the Sadiq Sanjrani vote of no-confidence, and this would dilute the efficacy of its current demand. It did. (ii) Their vehement insistence on an open ballot would elicit an obvious question: ‘why now?’ and they should have had a convincing answer. They did not. (iii) If the party did not provide sufficient logic to counter the above question, it would struggle to take a high moral position. It did. As a result, the party’s shoddy triple attempt to ram its position down the electorate’s throat — the reference to the Supreme Court, the failed attempt for a constitutional amendment, and the quasi-amateur ordinance — all these combined to produce a result directly opposite of what the PTI wanted. It takes a unique talent to take a morally strong issue and reduce it to a politically shredded and optically compromised one.The PTI tried to couch political expediency inside a moralistic cover.
I was actually quite averse to AH. I blame him entirely for what happened to a political force which was created with so much promise. But today, I 100% oppose MQM! I would prefer and vote for JI over MQM.Oh right, you just supported the people who were blindly zealous to AH. That makes it perfectly fine. I'm sure you used to have a lot of fun sitting at those multiple hour long party lectures listening to AH ramble on.
If we get into this argument, it will be like hijacking the Thread. Let's just that that we disagree on what MQM was. I can, however, assure you that a week of operation against PTI by establishment, the like of which MQM faced multiple times for years, would have you and yours running underground. They made MQM, they molded it and then they destroyed it.Share those reasons and tell me why it's OK for you to have blindly supported what was essentially a criminal gang with an after-hours political club while it's not OK for anyone to support Imran Khan or PTI.
A predominant portion of Karachi supported the calls for strikes, just like occupied J&K's Kashmiris call for strikes. However, those were meaningless to the ruling elite and hence, in my opinion, an indefinite strike would have done the job which random strikes never could. And ofcourse, in the later years, strike calls were just plain stupid and criminal.So you wanted even longer strikes and dharnas which would have probably hurt Karachi even more in the long run. This guy definitely loves Karachi, his fellow Karachiites and the rest of Pakistan more than the PTI supporters here!
You're only saying this in hindsight now that AH has sided with the same Sindhi extremists MQM would complain about decades ago. Prior to that, people like you were willing to look past the crime and terror.I was actually quite averse to AH. I blame him entirely for what happened to a political force which was created with so much promise.
Yes, but the difference is PTI wasn't running its own paramilitary operation so they probably wouldn't have to deal with that kind of opposition in the fist place. The MQM might have been unfairly targeted compared to what other parties with gang and criminal links like ANP and PPP have gone through. You can't argue the same for PTI and complain that we've gone unscathed. The worst thing Imran Khan has done is organize non-violent jalsas.the like of which MQM faced multiple times for years, would have you and yours running underground. They made MQM, they molded it and then they destroyed it.
A lot of people supported PTI's dharna too. Now I know what PMLN was doing with the economy during its rule, I would have even supported PTI violently taking over if it meant preventing the debt crisis we had to deal with right after they left the government.A predominant portion of Karachi supported the calls for strikes
what did I tell you guys...Imran Khan was just tolerating the imf economic hitman hafeez, he's out now!the bad was mister hafeez himself...I'm tellin' ya man, even when he was the pee pee pee finance minister, he pushed imf's agenda...military pressured zardari into removing him cuz he kept pestering for secret agreements between Pakistan and China at behest of the imf...but since the ishaq dar happened, PTI had to temporarily tolerate him just to keep the imf working with us until the economy stabilized...recall that the u.s. and the imf actually made official statements during the trump days asking Pakistan to disclose these agreements on investments and loans. even the supreme court ruled that he can't be given such senior ministries until he is elected, you think that just happened for no reason and without pressure from the military establishment on the supreme court to keep hafeez's nose out of things? Well the economy is stabilizing now but the imf keeps pushing for those secret documents and for him to become an elected member since the supreme court blocked him.
this is deep...very VERY deep. If Imran Khan and the establishment REALLY wanted him to win, they would've simply given him one of those uncontested seats from suba e punjab but they didn't.
I am convinced that Imran Khan along with the establishment took the entire opposition for a hay ride, got ride of hafeez and made zardari pay for it.
there was visible opposition within the PTI to mister hafeez...he was never a friend of Pakistan and every knows it. We all know his performance during the pee pee pee days when he was the finance minister, damn near ran a muck. don't forget that he was the imf (read america's) agent in Pakistan...tried to convince zardari to roll back a bunch of weapons programs and cpec stuff.
you don't get it...Hammad Azhar is not a parachuter from the imf, hafeez was a parachuter, doesn't give two turds from modi's @ss about what is in Pakistan's interests and is purely there to push imf terms...I can't answer what the policies will be but we can be sure that Hammad Azhar would far more receptive to input from the government parliamentarians as opposed to hafeez who would completely ignore what others had to say and would sometimes give them the shut up call as if he was a viceroy of the imf.
They can't, and won't do much different. The PM is in a tough spot, keep your allies in key positions or they might abandon you to your peril, these are tumultuous political times and turncoats turn on a dime. And conditions are tough too, whether their underlying economic conditions, or IMF loan conditions, they can be worked around a little bit at best, but not changed. Still, I sincerely hope IK makes it to 2023, and becomes the first PM in our history to complete a full term.
Exactly. What was Einstein's definition of insanity? I wonder if it applies here.They can't, and won't do much different. The PM is in a tough spot, keep your allies in key positions or they might abandon you to your peril, these are tumultuous political times and turncoats turn on a dime. And conditions are tough too, whether their underlying economic conditions, or IMF loan conditions, they can be worked around a little bit at best, but not changed. Still, I sincerely hope IK makes it to 2023, and becomes the first PM in our history to complete a full term.
Imran has gone to the IMF, and stabilized the current account, he also hasn't employed any stupid short-termist policies. But the structural reforms we needed are still not there. We are still stuck in the same cycle of low savings-investment rate, current account weakness, hard to service debt, and the choice of starvation or imports we can't afford. It's a vicious cycle, and I don't think it's ending any time soon.
Funny you say that. This is exactly what Iranians say about USA. Faces change but Iran continues to get kicked whilst Israel keeps being lauded.
wasnt hafeez an establishment pick?you don't get it...Hammad Azhar is not a parachuter from the imf, hafeez was a parachuter, doesn't give two turds from modi's @ss about what is in Pakistan's interests and is purely there to push imf terms...I can't answer what the policies will be but we can be sure that Hammad Azhar would far more receptive to input from the government parliamentarians as opposed to hafeez who would completely ignore what others had to say and would sometimes give them the shut up call as if he was a viceroy of the imf.
itna tau maano na kay aap kay is bhai ki prediction bilkul sahi thi that hafeez will be forced to go bye bye!
Well, Imran is actually shifting policy at the moment, he's showing remarkable flexibility. On Hafeez Sheikh, I guess that it's largely an attempt to course correct a little. Be less pliant on IMF conditions, negotiate more in the way of pro-growth policies rather than draconian restraint that the IMF always sues for, no matter who they're bailing out. It's obvious the kind of pressure the government is under, we can argue till we're blue in the face that exports are picking up, current account and PKR are stabilized, but the ordinary voter will only really perceive weak growth, inflation, and unemployment. So this is one such change in direction, and I think we could be in a position that allows some flexibility on this front, the government is still faced with multiple financial difficulties.Exactly. What was Einstein's definition of insanity? I wonder if it applies here.
However, as I have always advocated, we need to give PMIK the rest of his term before judging him on the results, whatever they are in reality and not just claims.
The proverbial excreta will hit the fan soon enough, but I think I will wait towards the end of the term to state the obvious result of identifying the brown stains everywhere. The mismanagement in certain areas, and the lack of management in other areas, is boringly predictable thus far during this term, similar to the past, but that is an unpopular opinion to hold in the present environment enforced here on PDF, so I cannot state any more than that, for now.Anyway, the policy shit is coming again, IK will be going back to the Saudis, and we'll be toeing the line again soon. It turns out Mahathir has left the building, the Turks are nice, but they are no replacement for the GCC, just as I said at the time of these debacles.