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PIA plane crash near Model Colony Karachi with 93+ on board

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All set for report release on 22nd of June.
A debris and ending analysis still needs to be done as engines are still on the crash site.
However this letter from Airbus says they all data from CVR and FDR has been decoded and handed over to investigation teams..and that Airbus has no safety recommendations to be suggested at the moment.
Meaning total pilot error.
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All set for report release on 22nd of June.
A debris and ending analysis still needs to be done as engines are still on the crash site.
However this letter from Airbus says they all data from CVR and FDR has been decoded and handed over to investigation teams..and that Airbus has no safety recommendations to be suggested at the moment.
Meaning total pilot error.
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This is very sad.
 

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CAA, AND BOEING WILL DO UTMOST TO BLAME THE PILOT

BILLIONS ARE AT STAKE, FOR BOEING,................if some thing fauty is to be found in pane

every single victim can sue boeing also

and that compensation can bankrupt the company image.
 

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CAA, AND BOEING WILL DO UTMOST TO BLAME THE PILOT

BILLIONS ARE AT STAKE, FOR BOEING,................if some thing fauty is to be found in pane

every single victim can sue boeing also

and that compensation can bankrupt the company image.
It was an Airbus A320, but you go right ahead and sue Boeing.
 

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There is likely no report going to be published. Its always that PALPA/PIA and CAA try to hide facts.

The ATC at Karachi could have stopped the flight from landing telling the pilot he is approaching from a high altitude. There is a beep clearly heard in conversation. The pilot is saying 'I will manage' when ATC pointed to high altitude. Even if ATC allowed to land, the pilot could have swerved to left or right to crash into unpaved side strips.

Even if report is published (highly unlikely), the CAA ATC actions and how corrupt CAA is will not be addressed.

The last resort for these mafias is to go to court to get a stay. Court always complies and wants to interfere in every admin matter as it too is a status quo special interest.

CAA, AND BOEING WILL DO UTMOST TO BLAME THE PILOT

BILLIONS ARE AT STAKE, FOR BOEING,................if some thing fauty is to be found in pane

every single victim can sue boeing also

and that compensation can bankrupt the company image.
Pilot is to be blamed. There is a lot that PALPA has to answer. Its a very political body not professional.
 

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There is likely no report going to be published. Its always that PALPA/PIA and CAA try to hide facts.

The ATC at Karachi could have stopped the flight from landing telling the pilot he is approaching from a high altitude. There is a beep clearly heard in conversation. The pilot is saying 'I will manage' when ATC pointed to high altitude. Even if ATC allowed to land, the pilot could have swerved to left or right to crash into unpaved side strips.

Even if report is published (highly unlikely), the CAA ATC actions and how corrupt CAA is will not be addressed.

The last resort for these mafias is to go to court to get a stay. Court always complies and wants to interfere in every admin matter as it too is a status quo special interest.



Pilot is to be blamed. There is a lot that PALPA has to answer. Its a very political body not professional.
ATC has an advisory role.
Responsibilities lie with the captain of the aircraft.
Pilot can ignore ATC advice and use own discretion.
 

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CAA, AND BOEING WILL DO UTMOST TO BLAME THE PILOT

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every single victim can sue boeing also

and that compensation can bankrupt the company image.
This post makes it clear that there is a preconceived biased view here
 

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Ok this picture is from insta.
It was taken 4 days before the crash. Same crew was flying the plane.
Notice the bottom of both engines.
Is it normal for engines to have marks like that or the engines had scrape marks ?
http://instagr.am/p/CAsqvr7hVmA/
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ATC has an advisory role.
Responsibilities lie with the captain of the aircraft.
Pilot can ignore ATC advice and use own discretion.
According to my source in PIA, ATC can deny landing if there is an obvious issue he notices like high altitude or landing gears not deployed, provided the aircraft does not have technical issues. Even at critical altitude when ATC noticed no landing gears, he still allowed the plane to crash on its engines! Thats foolish to and lacks common sense.

Actually our attitude is very unprofessional and lax. Its compounded by the fact that most of recruiting is done on political basis and these people dont feel accountable. Why do you think CAA leaked ATC conversation on media channels? It was to absolve itself of any blame. This shows how CAA and PIA lack professionalism.

And these crashes wont ago away unless we get rid of politics in our aviation.

Ok this picture is from insta.
It was taken 4 days before the crash. Same crew was flying the plane.
Notice the bottom of both engines.
Is it normal for engines to have marks like that or the engines had scrape marks ?
http://instagr.am/p/CAsqvr7hVmA/
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These are fuel leak stains. The aircraft had scraped engine nacelles on ground and there is clear evidence of that. The aircraft in air after crash has RAT deployed and white smoke coming out of engines. There are deeper scratches on the underside of engines.


RAT mean Ram Air Turbine. Its only deployed automatically when engines have failed.
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According to my source in PIA, ATC can deny landing if there is an obvious issue he notices like high altitude or landing gears not deployed, provided the aircraft does not have technical issues. Even at critical altitude when ATC noticed no landing gears, he still allowed the plane to crash on its engines! Thats foolish to and lacks common sense.

Actually our attitude is very unprofessional and lax. Its compounded by the fact that most of recruiting is done on political basis and these people dont feel accountable. Why do you think CAA leaked ATC conversation on media channels? It was to absolve itself of any blame. This shows how CAA and PIA lack professionalism.

And these crashes wont ago away unless we get rid of politics in our aviation.



These are fuel leak stains. The aircraft had scraped engine nacelles on ground and there is clear evidence of that. The aircraft in air after crash has RAT deployed and white smoke coming out of engines. There are deeper scratches on the underside of engines.


RAT mean Ram Air Turbine. Its only deployed automatically when engines have failed. View attachment 639835
Check again with your source.
ATC can only deny landing under certain limited situations.
Hot and high approach is not one of them.
 

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He was thinking ... 'sab chalta hai' or 'sab theek hai'. They typical Pakistani unprofessionalism, laid back and damn care attitude. Something that is the result of sifarshi culture.
 

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