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Pervez Hoodbhoy's Secular Delusion

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Give Muslims a chance to bring an Islamic system, without interference, imposing terrorism, nor corrupt puppets, then you will see the Islamic model in action.

For example, most problems in Pakistan are directly related to the WoT and corrupt secular political parties from the past few decades.

I would very much like it if you are right.
However, as far as I know in the last 1000 years there has been no perfect Islamic society.
So, I am a little pessimistic that one can be brought about in the next 20 years.
 

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Yes hoodhoys is delusional and these textbooks from pakistan on physics are work of art
forcing down the throat of children their nonsense religious ideas which has no proof whatsoever
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What about that is exactly wrong? All this noise you're making and this is what you have to show for it? lol. Tbh I thought it'd be something really really bad but actually that statement doesn't contradict logic or rationality.
 

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What about that is exactly wrong? All this noise you're making and this is what you have to show for it? lol. Tbh I thought it'd be something really really bad but actually that statement doesn't contradict logic or rationality.
Please keep your religious ideas to religion books only no need to pollute science with religion
 

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We all know what makes the headlines everyday, and we all know that most terrorists in ISIS or Al Qaeda are from Arab Countries or other Islamic countries.
yeeeeah, that is because the secular governments are the ones who do the killing, so they do not need any non-state orgs. NATO, Russia, USA all have killed, pillaged and murdered hundreds of thousands. actions do speak louder than words.

Hoodbhoy has won several awards including the Abdus Salam Prize for Mathematics (1984);[12] the Kalinga Prize for the popularization of science (2003);[13] the Burton Award (2010)[14] from the American Physical Society. In 2011, he was included in the list of 100 most influential global thinkers by Foreign Policy.[15] In 2013, he was made a member of the UN Secretary General's Advisory Board on Disarmament.
and how does that make him an authority on anything but his own subject? just like a ulema or generals do not have the right to interfere in politics (according to people like you), hoodbhoy doesnt have any right o speak on matters of religion, politics, policies etc either, he should stick to his own field.

Yeah, like the Iraq invasion 2003, the destabilization of Libya, the intervention In Syria, the invasion of Iraq. Nothing to do with Western governments invading these countries under false pretexts or supporting terrorist organizations or propping up brutal dictators. It's all Islams fault
....or for the matter that we were enslaved, and deliberately kept underdeveloped. also, nothing to do with the fact the white overlords are the ones that caused the split in Dunyawi and Deeni education in the first place, and also nothing to do with the fact that the education system that they put in place was meant to produce coconuts who were more loyal to the crown than to their land, and produced people who were selfish. also, nothing to do with the fact that the landowners, the babus, the military put in place by those very same people are still ruling over us. we are yet to have a national curriculum, we are yet to have a sense of belonging to one entity, we are yet to get rid of the laws and customs put in place by the british. from the military to the judiciary to the politics and to education, all we have are remnants of a system meant to kept us servile and divided.

and they were the ones who hit us with sanctions just because they never wanted us to have a weapon that they themselves possess. or for the matter that they effectively control all sources of income, one toe out of line and its the FATF blacklist for you (or bombed back to stoneage).

No need for a clergy in Islam. Islam is the religion without intermediators.
indeed anyone can go and learn Deen, many madaris have now begun offering courses for engineers, doctors, businessmen etc.
 

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A ''certain group'' that have already infested all of the western world with their ideas are now targeting non-conformist states. A glimpse into their modus operandi is as follows;

1- Religion bashing.
2- Morality basing.
3- Criticism of family life.
4- Call human a social animal (emphasize on the animal part) and argue that suppressing animalistic urges is a hindrance in the progress of society.
5- Have sex with anyone and anything indiscriminately as long as there is consent.
6- Steady bombardment of sentences like "there is no god" or ''god is not real'' etc. through popular media.
7- Mock and criticise people's religiosity. Marginalize those who would stick to their way of life by designating them, fundamentalists.

The list goes on but these are some of the basics. Pakistan is still in the initial stages and this evil needs to be nipped in the bud before it is too late.
 

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Maybe if Pakistanis had a philosophy of hard work and enterprise they wouldn't be as poor as they are.
Baba Jinnah exhorted us to "Kaam, Kaam aur Kaam".
Maybe the West, in this instance, has got it right.
As per the Islamist, Quaid e Azam was a Kafir or a traitor.

Quran is the proof... If you can ponder upon it.
But the Quran is not the book of physics. If it is then we should banned Physics books in Physics class and should try to force Quran in Physics class.
 

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What about that is exactly wrong? All this noise you're making and this is what you have to show for it? lol. Tbh I thought it'd be something really really bad but actually that statement doesn't contradict logic or rationality.
Mere mention of Allah causes them to howl in agony.

According to these self proclaimed critical thinkers, the West is the epitome of perfection. Their "critical thinking" is limited to taking jibes at Islam and eulogizing Western countries.

Their minds have been intoxicated with the garbage produced in Western mainstream media.
 

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Being in advisory board on Disarmament not surprising? He bashes Islam and licks feet of west and india, ofcourse he ll get high positions and fake honors.

For his work in Physics, Musharraf had offered to award him Sitar-e-Imtiaz.
 

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Please keep your religious ideas to religion books only no need to pollute science with religion
Lol, you do know that science is another form of religion right? Did you personally conduct all of those scientific experiments and observed the results, or did you, like a religious fanatic, just believe in the testimony of some Tom, dick and harry who claimed they observed it?

See, you're the very mullah caricatures you hate :lol:
 

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Very nicely written.

I can understand people like hoodbhoy as they have to receive funds to bark or other perks but what about others. People like @Alternatiiv .

Why cant they see there is no relationship between following religion and pursuing science and technology and modern way of doing business.

Ok lets summarize the key problems of our society and then identify if this is due to islam or our own shortcomings.

1. Trade deficit. What the hell trade deficit has to do with islam. Islam or no islam if u dont work and manufacture your own goods u will remain in trade deficit.

2. Bribery. Bribery is a common problem in the society. Does islam allows bribery? Infact a follower of islam consider it a big sin. If we change to secularisim then will it effect bribery? No it might increase.

3. Science and technology. Is there any corelation with islam and science. No there is no corelation. U can be a big scientist and a practicing muslim. I dont understand how will we get advancement in science of technology by becoming secular.

List can go on and on.

The only way of development is to work hard on the problems we have.

If we battled with the terrorist TTP then we have also seent terrorist MQM and BLA.

MQM and BLA are both secular. Then why they became terrorist and extremists? As pee theory of hoodbhoy and his followers there is no tendency of exteemisim other than islam then why BLA and MQM became terrorists?

I never said you can't take two things together.

But you should not force religion, and you should not shove it down throats to the extent that science becomes nothing.
 

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