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Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

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  1. Shane

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    As if your posts weren't intriguing enough already. :enjoy:
    Birds of a feather...i understand that there is a flock in sight.

    I still stand by regarding MSS being partner in crime and must not be allowed to get away with it in any case.
     
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  2. Farah Sohail

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    :(:(

    But I still think...Justice Khosa can be our saviour here too....

    Becaues Paa ji is patwaari...dil se

    Waisy yaad ha..ek waqt tha... ke hum sochtay thay ke kaash panama bench main Ejaz Afzal ki jagah Qazi Faez Isa hotay...

    But acha hua ke Ejaz Afzal thay..

    Jitni applications sharif family ne...JIT members ke against di theen...agar Justice Qazi Faez Isa ya Dost Muhammad hotay tu woh tu JIT members ke peechay parr jaatay..

    But Ejaz Afzal supported JIT... esp after hussain nawaz photo leak..unhon ne JIT members ke against koi remarks nahi diye.but supported them.. sharif family ki tactics ko nakaam banaaya..

    Qazi Faez Isa kehtay kiun na hum JIT members ko mulzim banaa dien? Jaisy Irfan Mangi ke baaray main ye remarks diye thay unohn ne baad main..

    Qazi Faez Isa ke saamnay tu ab Ejaz Afzal farishta lagtay hian.. Ejaz Afzal bhi sympathetic thay sharifs ke liye..lekin agar woh honest na hotay tu unn ke pass bhi bohatt mauqe thay..woh as head of panama implementation bench..us waqt un due favor de saktay thay sharif family ko..esp jab har roz ek application aati thee JIT members ke against...Ejaz Afzal chatay tu kisi na kisi tarah... sharif family ko favor de saktay thay...jaisy Qazi Faez Isa aur Dost Muhammad ...jit members ke against thay.. aur unhon ne Irfan Mangi ke against remarks diye thay......agar chahtay tu Ejaz Afzal bhi manipulate karsaktay thay..sharif family ke favor main... jaisy ab Qazi Faez Isa is trying to bail out sharifs by blaming it all on NAB.. but Ejaz Afzal ne aisa kuch nahi kiya.. he supported JIT..

    Waisy... Qazi Faez Isa ke baaray main.. aap keh rahay tha ke aap ne suna hai ke Qazi Faez Isa ki wajah se kaafi cases technical grounds par farigh hogaye thay.. waisy tu hum khud bhi samajh gaye hain Qazi Faez Isa ko......lekin aap ne exactly kia suna hai..Qazi Faez Isa ke baaray main ..in ki reputation ke baaray main generally? @PakSword
     
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    tamaam ayeeni hathkande azmanay kay baad ye baat sabit hui kay maujood nizaam kisi qism ka ehtesaab dene se qaasir hai.......

    ab is nizaam e hukoomat ki bisaat lapaitne ka waqt achuka hai........ agar ye kaam Pakistani khud karlen to karlen warna koi or karne kay liye tayyar betha hai

    faisla abhi bhi Pakistan kay paas hai per waqt kam baki Allah ki marzi
     
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    Judges in high courts are lready sympathetic to sharifs... Agar hudaibya case reopen nahi hota..tu we should be really worried.. kiun ke..shahbaz sharif ke against agar doosray cases bhi aayein ge ..like metro scandal..they will eventually go in these courts only.. we all know about lower courts and high courts.. even agar SC se hudaibya jaisa obvious case reopen nahi hota..then we all should be really worried..

    SC ke judges bhi agar itnay ziada sympathetic hian sharif family ke liye tu bas Allah khair karay..

    And dont count on Justice Khosa or Gulzar becoming chief justice.. woh khud har case nahi sunein ge.. esp i think ..in cases about sharif family..mera khyal hai ke panama case judges nahi sunein ge ye appeals.. abhi jo references hain...basheeray ke pass...woh bhi jab SC aayein ge tu i dont think ke panama case judges usay sunein ge... koi aur hi judges honge..

    Aur jaisy main pehle bhi keh chuki hoon... lagta hai ke SC main sab se better panama case judges hi hain.. baqi sab almost aisy hi honge jaisy Qazi Faez Isa.. inn logon ke pass agar appeals aati bhi hain tu koi faida nahi

    Waisy bhi panama case ke 2 judges tu April/May 2018 main retire horahay hian.. Justice EJaz Afzal aur Justice Sheikh Azmat tu next year..April main retire horahay hain... inki jagah pata nahi kon aayega..?

    Justice Khosa ya Justice Gulzar ke chief justice bannay ka ..atleast sharif family ke cases main koi faida nahi hoga kiun ke..i dont think ke woh sharif family ke against...mazeed koi cases sunein ge..aur jo doosray judges honge..cases sunein ge.....woh sab :(:(
     
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    There’s more to it - khair all in good time will become clearer and then clear :)

    That’s the max I can divulge at this point in time.
     
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  6. Shane

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    Let's hope it is as soon as you say it will be, in sha Allah.

    Any news on the health of Begum Kulsoom?
     
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    His reputation was good, until recently, some of his actions point to his inclination towards NS. I don't know what has changed him really.. but he is a changed man..

    Lets see how he saves NS and SS from Hudaibiya..

    kaun?
     
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    Koi hain aweim taang arrane wale
     
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    aap ka matlab langri daingay?
     
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    Wo to waqt hi btaega
     
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    High court did reject Nawaz's appeal to combine references. Imagine the waste of time it would have resulted if this appeal was approved. It is not as gloomy after all.

    I understand but do comment on another aspect that seems quite strange:

    I think that PTI and other parties are either playing it very very very fair or they are letting it slip but there is always a possibility of something saner rather than sinister or verging on incompetence in the policy of observe and watch from a distance with regards to accountability court proceedings.

    If the judge is allowing a party's leaders to assemble in and outside, without feeling the pressure than why not atleast the lawyers and leaders of other parties go.

    What is stopping PTI and other parties to observe inside and comment outside the trial court? I believe it is a public hearing or is it? Is this just the right of PMLN to attend the trial court proceedings? If PMLN goons are allowed then why can't others go? And more importantly, why are they so docile and always so agreeable to concede legal and political space to PMLN? Wouldn't it be a great pain in the @@@ of Nawaz if a fawad or chohan type pti spokesman was there to breath down their necks outside the trial court with some of their own medicine. It is after all political showmanship of Nawaz with focussed and one sided media coverage that is being allowed to go on without any challenge or counter. A low level opposition rep to rub some salt in, can be the best counter as well as insult to a disqualified crook.
     
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  12. Farah Sohail

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    Hmm..matlab ...hum ne sahi andaza lagaaya Qazi Faez Isa ke baaray main..

    Waisy ek Ejaz Afzal hain..who changed for the better and i really respect him for tht.. aur ek Qazi Faez Isa .jo bigar gaye :(
     
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    maybe.. he also changes with time..

    By the way, there is no comparison with any of the Panama bench judges.. Panama judges belong to another league...

    I respect all of them.. Justice Khosa and Gulzar are the most respected.. but the other 3 aren't far behind.. no comparison..
     
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    Qazi Faez Isa change hi tu huay hain..tab hi tu bigray hain :( Aap bhi tu keh rahay hain ke his reputation was good but he is a changed man now.. aur jo NS ke itni buri tarah expose ho jaanay k baad ..esp after his "Mujhe kiun nikaala" campaign aur roz NS ki SC ke judges ko bura bhala bolnay ke baad uski taraf inclined ho....usay kia kaha jaa sakta hai? We can give benefit of duobt to Ejaz Afzal who was sympathetic to sharifs initially but he changed with time.. lekin ab jo NS ke itnay buri tarah expose honay ke bawajood uski taraf inclined ho..kiya usay honest kahaa jaa sakta hai? Ab NS aur kitna expose hosakta hai..is se ziada? Ab koi honest insan kaisy NS ki taraf inclined hosakta hai? So Qazi Faez Isa ..ke baaray main kia kahein?

    I agree with you.. panama bench judges are the best.. Justice Khosa aur Gulzar tu best hain hi.. but Justice Ijaz ul Ahsan and Ejaz Afzal are also very good.. ijaz ul Ahsan tu shuru se hi achay thay......but Ejaz AFzal has really really earned my respect..the way he changed himself...shows how honest person he was....jinhon ne sachayi saamnay aanay par bohat bahaduri se apnay aap ko change kar liya.. very few can do tht... justice Sheikh Azmat is my least favorite among panama bench judges.... but he is still much better than the rest

    Waisy mujhe Justice Umar Ata Bandial aur Justice Faisla Arab bhi theek thaak lagtay hain.. i dont know what verdict they will give in IK case..but i think they are honest ppl

    But still...as u said ..panama case judges ka koi comparison nahi.. they are in a different league
     
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    I'm still hesitant to say either way about Justice QFI. But this much i can say: Haven't we had one example already where five judges who saw and stated the reality of the crooks as they are? Now the five are unable to be part of any bench that has any thing to do with those cases so here is the point of my two cents; even if any or all the 3 judges allow the Hudaibya case to reopen, the ones who go against the accused should keep the comments and order limited in that they don't seem to stand as partisan as e.g Justice Khosa...

    In the end if all or most judges give verdicts in different appeals or reviews in other or related cases against the tubber, then there may be a time that most judges would have gone against Nawaz (or for nawaz, then same should apply on them too). If so happens then we may see the likes of justice khosa sitting in a larger or full bench that hears the eventual/ final appeals.
     
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