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PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE: 5,100,000 Palestinians have been killed since 1948

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    anti-racist Jews and indeed all anti-racist humanitarians the core moral messages from the Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “bear witness”, “zero tolerance for lying” and “never again to anyone”, anyone including the Indigenous Palestinian victims of the racist Zionist Palestinian Genocide - 2 million dead since 1936, 0.1 million from violence, 1.9 million from war-, expulsion- and occupation-derived deprivation; 7 million refugees; 4.1 million Occupied Palestinians deprived of ALL the human rights listed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ; 6 million Palestinians forbidden to even live in the homeland continuously inhabited by their forbears to the very dawn of agrarian civilization; 0.9 million Palestinian children confined without charge or trial to what the Catholic Church and many others have described as Israel's Gaza Concentration Camp for the asserted "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians living in a tiny, remorselessly Zionist-bombed patch of Palestine.

    UK Labour leader Ed Miliband's parents are anti-racist Jews who believe in justice for the 12 million Indigenous Palestinians of whom only the adults of the 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (i.e. about 7%) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus an ethnically cleansed slab of Syria. Ed Milliband as an elected politician in an ostensible democracy either believes in one man one vote NOW for everyone (including Palestinians) or he doesn't - if he doesn't he should be kicked out at the first opportunity by the Labor Party and the voters of Doncaster North.

    Ed Miliband merely trots out the mantra "I support a two-state solution because I long for the peace that both Palestinians and Israelis need so badly" - yet if he had offered the same opinion about Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa "I support a two-state solution involving 90% of the country for the Whites and 10% for the majority Non-Europeans in uneconomic Bantustans" his political career would have been finished.

    Disraeli (a convert to "God is an Englishman" Anglicanism) was a mass murderer complicit in the Irish Famine (1 million starved to death, 1-2 million forced into exile), the butchery of 10 million Indians in the decade after the 1857 Indian Rebellion, and genocidal atrocities in all parts of the British Empire, not least in India where 500 million Indians died avoidably from British imposed deprivation under Queen Victoria alone (1837-1901) (read my books "Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950" and "Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History" now available for free perusal on the Web ).

    From an extremely charitable anti-racist Jewish perspective Ed Miliband is at the very least "confused" and should seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist Jews from Arendt to Zinn (Google "Jews Against Racist Zionism"). As a refugee from both the anti-racist and anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish tradition and from the anti-racist, anti-Zionist secular Jewish tradition, Ed Miliband should also seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist non-Jews including the likes of Nobel Laureates Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter, Máiread Maguire and José Saramago who have unequivocally condemned the ongoing Palestinian Genocide by Apartheid Israel (Google "Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism").

    This site is a compendium of the authoritative views of outstanding anti-racist humanitarians bearing witness to the ongoing Palestinian Holocaust that is a Palestine Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention.Indeed this website provides an alphabetical listing of the documented views of numerous people and organizations referring to the Palestinian Genocide or to related terms such as Palestinian holocaust, Palestinian ethnic cleaning, Palestinian liquidation.

    The situation in Palestine has been recently described as a Palestinian Holocaust by Palestinian scholar Dr Elias Akleh, exiled from his homeland and now living in the US (see:The Failure Of Human Rights Watch In Venezuela And Haiti By Joe Emersberger ). It has been frequently described by others as a Palestinian Genocide, a term that is amply justified in relation to the definitions of the UN Genocide Convention as outlined below.
    Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention (see:The UN Genocide Convention ) states:

    “In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) Killing members of the group; b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group”.

    Using the latest available UN Agency data we can systematically analyze these UN Genocide Convention points thus.

    “Intent to destroy in whole or in part" - sustained (and frequently asserted) intent over about 150 years of the Zionist colonial project; 0.75 million Palestinian refugees in 1948; currently 7 million Palestinian refugees, and 4.2 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UN in the Middle East; over 40 years of illegal Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; 0.1 million 1948-2011 violent Palestinian deaths, post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Apartheid Israeli war crimes.

    a) Killing - about 5,100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).

    b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm - see (a) and the shocking UNICEF reports of the appalling conditions psychologically scarring OPT children:| At a glance: State of Palestine | UNICEF .

    (c) Conditions to cause destruction in whole or in part - see (a) and (b); Professor Noam Chomsky describes the OPT as a highly abusive "Prison"; others use the valid term "Concentration Camp" and make parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto; one has to turn to US-guarded Vietnamese hamlets and the Nazi era atrocities to see routine, horrendously violent and deadly military policing of civilian concentration camps.

    (d) Measures intended to prevent births - see (a), (b), and (c) above; dozens of pregnant women dying at road blocks; other killing of pregnant Palestinian women; huge infant mortality in the OPT with the Occupier in gross violation of the Geneva Convention.

    (e) Forcible transferring of children – irreversible transferring by killing of children - 0.2 million post-invasion infant deaths; 27 OPT children violently killed in the LAST WEEK ALONE; mass imprisonment of 2 million OPT children; hundreds of Palestinian children in abusive Israeli high-security prisons in Israel; forcible separation of families by racist Israeli Apartheid Laws, marriage laws and immigration laws.

    For all anti-racist humanitarians - and anti-racist Jews in particular - the core moral messages from the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “never again to anyone”, “bear witness” and “zero tolerance for lying”.

    However these sacred injunctions are grossly violated by the anti-Arab anti-Semitic racist Zionists running Apartheid Israel and their Western backers variously involved in the ongoing Palestinian Genocide, Iraqi Genocide and Afghan Genocide (post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; refugees totalling 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively, plus a further 2.5 million NW Pakistan Pashtun refugees) (for details and documentation see "Muslim Holocaust, Muslim Genocide": ).

    All decent, anti-racist, humanitarians must vigorously oppose and sideline those supporting racist Zionism, Apartheid Israel and racist Western wars and occupations who are currently complicit in 0.7 million non-violent excess deaths annually; continuing, racist perversion of human rights, humanitarian values and rational discourse in the Western democracies; ignoring of worsening climate genocide (that may kill 10 billion non-Europeans this century through unaddressed man-made climate change); and egregious anti-Jewish anti-Semitism through falsely identifying decent, anti-racist Jews with these appalling crimes.

    This site is inspired by our obligation to the 30 million victims of the WW2 European Holocaust and indeed to the victims of all other holocaust and genocide atrocities such as the 35 million Chinese killed by the Japanese in WW2 and the 6-7 million Indians starved to death by the British in the 1943-1945 WW2 Bengal Famine (see Gideon Polya, “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950”, G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007: Body Count ; Gideon Polya, “Australian complicity in Iraq mass mortality” in “Lies, Deep Fries & Statistics” (edited by Robyn Williams, ABC Books, Sydney, 2007):http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s1445960.htm ); Gideon Polya, “Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History. Colonial rapacity, holocaust denial and the crisis in biological sustainability", G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 1998, 2008: Jane Austen and ...; and see recent BBC broadcast "Bengal Famine" involving Dr Polya, Economics Nobel Laureate Professor Amartya Sen and other scholars:Listen to: The Bengal Famine - OpenLearn - Open University ).

    This site is also inspired by the words of outstanding Jewish American scholar Professor Jared Diamond who in his best-selling book "Collapse” (Prologue, p10, Penguin edition) enunciated the "moral principle, namely that it is morally wrong for one people to dispossess, subjugate, or exterminate another people" – an injunction grossly violated by racist Zionist (RZ)-run Apartheid Israel and its racist, genocide-committing and genocide-ignoring US Alliance backers.

    As perceived by UKwriter Alan Hart in his recent book “Zionism: the Real Enemy of the Jews. Volume 1. The False Messiah"” (Clarity Press), racist Zionism represents an immense threat not just to the Arab and Muslim World but also to decent, anti-racist, humanitarian Jews throughout the World (see:
    ZIONISM, the Real Enemy of the Jews ).

    The Palestinian Genocide is part of the so-called US Alliance War on Terror that in horrible reality is a cowardly, racist US Alliance and racist Zionist War on Women and Children and a War on Palestinian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Syrian, Somali, Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, Pakistani, Arab, Muslim, Asian and non-European Women and Children.

    As of mid-2009, in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories post-invasion non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 1.0 million and 3.2 million, respectively; post-invasion violent deaths total about 11,000, 1.3 million and up to 4 million, respectively; post-invasion violent plus non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively (plus a further 2.5 million Pashtun refugees in NW Pakistan). This constitutes a Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention; and egregious war crimes due in part to Occupier war criminal non-supply of life-sustaining food and medical requisites demanded unequivocally by Articles 55 and 56 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War – thus the Gaza Concentration Camp has been under US-backed Israeli blockade for 2 years and according to WHO the “total annual per capita medical expenditure” permitted by the Occupiers in Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan is US$124 and US$29, respectively, as compared to US$6,714 for the US.”

    As of 2011:

    In 1880 there were about 0.5 million Indigenous Palestinians. Of the 25,000 Jews in Palestine half were immigrants (see: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story559.html and MidEast Web - Population of Palestine ). Palestinian casualties of war violence total about 80,000 since 1948 and about 100,000 since 1936 (see “Palestinian casualties of war”.Palestinian casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

    However one must also consider avoidable Palestinian deaths from war-, expulsion- and occupation-imposed deprivation that now total about 1.9 million since 1948.

    The Occupied Palestinian avoidable deaths since 1950 are estimated from UN Population Division data (2002 revision) at 677,000 and for all of Palestine at 0.677 million x 5.7 million (all Palestinians still within Palestine)/4.1 million (Occupied Palestinians) = 940,000. However we must also include Palestinians outside Palestine and forbidden to return (roughly 2 times those within Palestine) and thus the estimate of post-1950 Palestinian avoidable deaths from imposed deprivation = 0.94 million x 2 = 1.88 million = 1.9 million.

    Palestinian refugees total about 7 million of whom about 5 million are registered with the UN (see:Exploding the myths: UNRWA, UNHCR and the Palestine refugees | UNRWA ).
    This has been a Palestinian Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".

    According to the Israeli Foreign Ministry: “From 1920 through 1999, a total of 2,500 residents of Mandatory Palestine and, since 1948, the State of Israel fell victims to hostile enemy action; in most cases, terrorist attacks” (see:http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Palestinian terror before 2000/ ) and “1,218 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000” (see: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Palestinian terror since 2000/Victims of Palestinian Violence and Terrorism sinc.htm).

    The race-based, racist Zionist-run Apartheid State of Israel is a democracy by genocide. Of about 12 million Palestinians only the adults of 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (21% of the Israeli population) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus part of Lebanon and a near-completely ethnically cleansed part of Syria, albeit as third class citizens. 1.8 million Occupied Palestinians are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp and 2.5 million Occupied Palestinians live under highly abusive military rule in West Bank Bantustans. About 6 million Palestinians are forbidden to even live in Palestine. There are 5.9 million Jewish Israelis and 0.3 million non-Jewish and non-Arab Israelis.

    Since 1936, the ongoing Palestinian Genocide has involved about 2.0 million war- and occupation-related Palestinian deaths, 0.1 million Palestinians killed violently (see:Palestinian casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) , 1.9 million avoidable Palestinian deaths from war- , occupation- and expulsion-imposed deprivation, 7 million refugees. 3,000 Palestinian infants are passively murdered by Apartheid Israel each year, and 0.8 million Palestinian children are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp for the "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians.

    Each year Apartheid Israel passively kills about 3,000 Occupied Palestinian infants, passively murders about 4,200 Occupied Palestinians through deprivation and violently kills another circa 600 Occupied Palestinians. Decent anti-racists around the World must Boycott Apartheid Israel and its racist supporters just as it successfully boycotted Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa after the Sharpeville Massacre (69 Africans killed) (see: Boycott Apartheid Israel ). The racist Zionists and their supporters, notably the Neocon American and Zionist Imperialists (NAZIs), must be sidelined in public life as have been like racists such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, Apartheiders and KKK (see “Palestinian Genocide”: Palestinian Genocide and the recent book “The Plight of the Palestinians”:New Book: 'The Plight of the Palestinians. A Long History of Destruction').

    Some key websites documenting views against racist Zionism and nuclear terrorist, democracy-by-genocide Apartheid Israel of outstanding, humanitarian, anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish scholars, leaders and writers :

    “Boycott Apartheid Israel”:Boycott Apartheid Israel.
    “Gaza Concentration Camp”:GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP - the most horribly abused and largest concentration camp in the world today - Palestinian Genocide .


    “Jews Against Racist Zionism”:Jews Against Racist Zionism .

    “Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism”:Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism .

    “Nuclear weapons ban , end poverty & reverse climate change”: NUCLEAR WEAPONS BAN, END POVERTY & REVERSE CLIMATE CHANGE - 300.org

    “Palestinian Genocide”: Palestinian Genocide .

    “Stop state terrorism” : Stop state terrorism .

    "State crime and non-state terrorism":State crime and non-state terrorism .

    Palestinian Genocide
     
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    5,100,000 Palestinians have been killed
    ok retarded :crazy:
     
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    Go back to your houses in Europe you Muslim killers! Hitler is died for 79 years
    This is U.N statistic you Zionist goon.

    a) Killing - about 5,100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).
     
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    As Guy Schuchman writes, it's extremely difficult to get exact numbers of those killed, especially as you look further into the past, when documentation was based at least partially on eye witnesses, estimates and rumors.
    If I could be allowed to put it into very round numbers, based on all kinds of reports and articles I have read over the years (such as Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict) I would say something along these lines...
    Purely civilian deaths caused directly by actions of Israeli troops or others - around 10,000. This includes Palestinians killed by the Irgun in retaliatory terror attacks or killed in villages during the war of 1948, in massacres such as Kafr Qasim and similar circumstances.
    Purely combatant deaths, such as during the war of 1948 when Palestinian fighters fought alongside the Arab armies, death of terrorists who committed or intended to commit attacks against Israelis, or death of Hamas/PLO fighters during conflicts with the IDF - around 20,000.
    Palestinians killed by non-Palestinian forces other than Israel, such as during Black September in Jordan, Sabra and Shatila, War of the Camps, the Syrian civil war and so forth - around 15,000.
    Palestinians killed by Palestinians, such as Hamas executions of alleged collaborators with Israel, PLO executions during the reign of Arafat, combatants killed during the PA-HamasBattle of Gaza (2007) and so forth - around 3,000.
    In my humble opinion, these figures roughly represent the numbers of Palestinians killed since 1948 with a margin of error that could be 20% or even higher. If anyone would like to provide other information, I welcome them and look forward to learning more from any documentation provided.
     
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    Well 5 million causalities are a bit exaggerated

    Recorded Palestinian causalities from 1987 is around 8000 to 12000. And Palestinian causalities before 1990's are not really well recorded. It was really high but certainly was not in millions.



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    you talking with a retard troll[/QUOTE]
    Eh, hate this baseless propaganda, Assad killed more Palestinians than Israel but world remain quiet, Israel killed no more than 30,000 people in it's existence, and that's an exaggeration.
     
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    "Get lost to your houses in Europe. Hitler is died for 79 years."
    But my grand grand parents are from iraq
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    I am not going to move anywhere. it is more realistic that your gay mullhas friends will move-
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    Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives

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    Members of Iran's Basij militia march during a parade to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war. Photograph: Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters
    Nostalgia is not the right word to describe how Iranians and Iraqis feel when they look back at the epic war they fought – one of the longest and bloodiest of the 20th century.

    It began 30 years ago this week when Saddam Hussein launched what he hoped would be an easy victory over a disorganised enemy. By its end, nearly eight years later, more than 1 million people were dead and both countries deeply scarred. It has marked the politics of the Middle East ever since.

    Commemorative concerts, photographic exhibitions and military parades bristling with missiles are being held across Iran, where the conflict is always referred to in Persian as the "sacred defence" or "the imposed war". Events were launched, symbolically, at Ayatollah Khomeini's mausoleum in Tehran.

    Yet remembrance is not a regime monopoly. Mir Hossein Mousavi, the Green opposition leader who claimed victory in last year's disputed presidential elections, was prime minister throughout the war and refers – as do almost all official speeches on a national theme – to the blood of martyrs who are forever exalted. Endless battlefield images – young volunteers to the Basij militia charging across minefields, soldiers praying in muddy dugouts in an eastern version of Flanders fields – are shown on state TV.

    In Iraq, where the war is associated with the darkest days of the Ba'athist regime, there are no celebrations. Five years ago the new government apologised to Iran for starting what was called at first "the whirlwind war" but soon became known officially as Qadisiyyat Saddam, a deliberately emotive reference to the famous Arab victory over the Persians in the seventh century.

    Border clashes took place sporadically early in 1980 and, with Iran's armed forces weakened by purges, Saddam hoped to replace the deposed shah as regional strongman. He was alarmed, too, by the radicalising effect of the Islamic revolution on Iraq's restive Shia majority and wanted to improve access to the Gulf through the Shatt al-Arab.

    Over time he enjoyed the discreet support of the west, with the US providing satellite intelligence on Iranian deployments and European countries supplying armaments and raw materials for gas and chemical weapons. Iran's continuing suspicions of America and Europe cannot be understood without remembering that grim period. Washington wanted both countries to bleed, but it feared Iran more.

    Saddam began by attacking the oil-producing province of Khuzestan and captured Khorramshahr a month after fighting began. But it was, one historian has written, "a catastrophic miscalculation". Nor did he secure the mantle of Arab leadership he aspired to, even though the Saudis and the Gulf states bankrolled the war effort.

    Iran, with a population of 50 million to Iraq's 17 million, mobilised to defend the revolution. By the summer of 1982 Iraq was on the defensive and remained so until the end in August 1988. The death toll, overall, was an estimated 1 million for Iran and 250,000-500,000 for Iraq.

    In the west it often seemed, even at the time, like a forgotten war. Far more attention has been paid to later conflicts: Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and the US-led invasion and occupation of 2003 which overthrew Saddam and changed the political map of the region.

    But for those directly involved, memories of the Iran-Iraq war can still be raw and painful. Participants in a remarkable pair of interactive programmes broadcast by the BBC's Arabic and Persian services told terrible stories. Umm Muhammad wept quietly as she remembered loved ones who had died. Ubay, from Mosul, born in 1980, described growing up without his father, a prisoner of war in Iran for 20 years. Shapour, an Iranian living in Britain, provided a stark reminder of what geopolitics and grand strategy can mean for ordinary people. "Nobody wins wars," he said. "Everyone loses."

    Naji, an Iraqi conscript, was blown up twice in the tank he drove. "You got used to it. People were being killed every day," he said. Bahman, an Iranian from Ahwaz on the southern front, was injured in a gas attack and still suffers the effects, as do thousands of other Iranians. Muhmmamad, a thirtysomething Iraqi, said: "I and my generation began our lives in war. And we are still at war."

    New research is helping produce a fuller picture of the conflict, using once unthinkable access to official documents from the Saddam era. Analysis of them, says the academic Ibrahim al-Marashi (whose work was plagiarised by the British government for its 2003 "dodgy dossier" on Iraqi WMD), "can rewrite the history of large segments of Qadisiyyat Saddam".

    A conference this week at the London School of Economics is looking, among other questions, at the motivation of the Basij, the role of oil, regional influences and the strategy of the US. It's a sure sign that one of the landmark events of the Middle East in the 20th century is starting to pass from memory into history.
     
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    What does a war in 30 years ago have to with this thread? The number is 300,000 for Iran and 400,000 for Iraq anyway.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

    Btw 100,000,000 Europeans killed in WW1 & 2.
     
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    It has anything to do with this thread, u iranians fund terrorism all over the middle east and kill millions of people and yet claim that 30000 deaths (not 5million) as FACTS shows is a genocide, hypocritical as expected.
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    Terrorism comes from Zionism and wahhabim and u will pay for death toll of 5 million Palestinians.
     
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    ROFL, keep with the propaganda boy, if we'd kill 5million palestinians, no palestinian would left today
     
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    I know its hard but request to all commentators from any side

    please be civil, remain respectful to other posters and oppose and disagree gracefully.

    your race, your country, your faith your religion, your ideology and your political stance is dear to you YES?
    then please don't insult your opponent.

    its easy to talk on things were everyone agrees and has same taste in jokes and fun , hard part is to talk respectfully where the emotions can run high and there are bitter disagreements.


    good luck
    for all its worth
     
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    If anyone would post propaganda against Pakistan in this forum, he'd get instant ban but false propaganda against Israel is common here
     
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    he made a very valid point
    instead of name calling just look for your selves
    a Muslim with power is a grave danger to any other Muslim around him
    look at the examples in the middle east Africa and Asia
    dont know how many have been killed by this Wahabi vs Shia conflict over decades. how about that?

    do you think others really care which Muslim is a wahabi genocidal maniac or a Shia victim or a Sunni caught in between the two? for the rest of the world every Muslim is one and the same and Muslims have next to no regard for each other proven by their mutual destructive records for centuries to this date...

    so it seems very hypocritical that Muslims teach humanity to others when they are worse offenders. Nothing wrong with raising the Palestinian issue but it would carry more weight if someone neutral and unbiased who raised this issue who doesnt have the blood of innocent people on his own hands.