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This would be possible if we as a nation "whhich we are not" could differentiate between "Corruption" and "Tarraqee",

My dear Pak,

I understand your disappointment. Yes, we have become a nation confused, divided and lost.

We have no Purpose other than basic survival. Both the State and the People.

But we are The Nation... just on 27th Feb we became alive for a couple days to go back to sleep again. We come alive on 14th of August and on 23rd of March...and then slumber...

This directionlessness produces confusion, chaos and of course, decline. Which we have been subjected to for past 72 years.

Regardless, Tun se kam layna hai dunia ki imamat ka!

Purpose!

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Gents,

Do you agree with the thesis I presented in the article? If you do... then...

@Dubious @The Eagle my dear Paks, if you see merit in the analysis/article... kindly make it sticky.

Without critical rootcause analysis we shall never be able to find and implement sustainable solutions......

Regards,

Mangus
Hi,

There is strength in numbers---and that is what the pakistani criminal gangs have learnt---and they use it to your advantage---.

Their numbers increase by Binary Fission---. They have found out that the law enforcement are cowards and cannot and do not know how to deal in stopping crime---.

All these pakistani muslims who talk about SHARIA LAW and Khalifa are clueless how the nations justice system needs to run---.

You will find that Pakistan is an ORAL SOCIETY---they will talk big---talk big to impress anyone---but there is no substance behind their talk---.
 
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Hi,

There is strength in numbers---and that is what the pakistani criminal gangs have learnt---and they use it to your advantage---.

My dear MK,

Remember almost two years ago we were discussing #MaoMoment ?

They are not more than 3000 and we are 220mln. Yes, ex-Paks are also Paks....

It is just sorry state of affairs that Pak State has allowed it to last so long... truly criminal neglect!

Sorry for my harsh words... but Pak is dear to us all...

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My dear MK,

Remember almost two years ago we were discussing #MaoMoment ?

They are not more than 3000 and we are 220mln. Yes, ex-Paks are also Paks....

It is just sorry state of affairs that Pak State has allowed it to last so long... truly criminal neglect!

Sorry for my harsh words... but Pak is dear to us all...

Mangus
Hi,

Pakistanis are COWARDS at heart when it comes to forcing the rule of law---providing justice---.

As a matter of fact---they are basically clueless what is law and order---how to implement it---and why it needs to be implemented---.
 

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The root cause of this screw up is the british raised feudal class which staysrelevant through the glorified clerks aka bureaucracy. In the time of the Raj the feudal would piss their pants on the mere doubt of annoying the deputy commissioner of a city, more like a lil brown viceroy. And as of now the only institution left in pak which follows meritocracy and the Lower and middle class could become part of by only their sheer hardwork is the armed forces. Rest are all hijacked !



You take out this bureaucratic structure, filled with their nephews and kids, you gonna gradually get your country back from the mafias .


A setup of skills based admin system is essential, where efficiency and public service is the ultimate goal. like in case of failure to achieve a certain level of competence and end results would mean termination from service or no promotion .
No more privilege of remaining in service till you reach the mark of 60.

Its a slow process to undo the feudal affects but gonna take time. Or for a swift change a mao moment is needed.


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/restructuring-and-reforming-civil-service-of-pakistan.574738/
 

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The root cause of this screw up is the british raised feudal class which staysrelevant through the glorified clerks aka bureaucracy. In the time of the Raj the feudal would piss their pants on the mere doubt of annoying the deputy commissioner of a city, more like a lil brown viceroy. And as of now the only institution left in pak which follows meritocracy and the Lower and middle class could become part of by only their sheer hardwork is the armed forces. Rest are all hijacked !



You take out this bureaucratic structure, filled with their nephews and kids, you gonna gradually get your country back from the mafias .


A setup of skills based admin system is essential, where efficiency and public service is the ultimate goal. like in case of failure to achieve a certain level of competence and end results would mean termination from service or no promotion .
No more privilege of remaining in service till you reach the mark of 60.

Its a slow process to undo the feudal affects but gonna take time. Or for a swift change a mao moment is needed.


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/restructuring-and-reforming-civil-service-of-pakistan.574738/

You are pointblank!

I strongly believe that these parasites see Pak as East India Company. I believe we need to abolish permanent job structure for government employees.

An automated AI driven performance management system needs to monitor the performance. No HR mafia...in government.

But you are right.... Pak needs to be liberated from occupation from this parasite class... only then Pak can move forward.

#PakUnderOccupation

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Mangus
 

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Hi,

Pakistanis are COWARDS at heart when it comes to forcing the rule of law---providing justice---.

As a matter of fact---they are basically clueless what is law and order---how to implement it---and why it needs to be implemented---.
we are cowards because we are corrupt and every sinner is a buzdil!
 

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You are pointblank!

I strongly believe that these parasites see Pak as East India Company. I believe we need to abolish permanent job structure for government employees.

An automated AI driven performance management system needs to monitor the performance. No HR mafia...in government.

But you are right.... Pak needs to be liberated from occupation from this parasite class... only then Pak can move forward.

#PakUnderOccupation

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Mangus
This system is one of the primary reasons we are suffering form the brain drain and the bright lot of our students prefer to appear in the Civil service exams to get all the charms assoxyaed with it instead of excelling in reasrch and innovation.

Those handful who make it somehow without any political backing are considered lucky but those who don't simply leave the country

What we need to do is to take those charms away from the Civil service at recruit level
 

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This system is one of the primary reasons we are suffering form the brain drain and the bright lot of our students prefer to appear in the Civil service exams to get all the charms assoxyaed with it instead of excelling in reasrch and innovation.

Those handful who make it somehow without any political backing are considered lucky but those who don't simply leave the country

I know!

We need to bury this parasitical, oppressive system for good.

These politicos, their frontmen and the coconut clerks are all part of this dimmocratic system.

A truly performance based System that benefits the Paks with education, healthcare and Hope in the Future. A Humanist Economic and Social System.

WE are capable of designing and implementing such a system... Paks inside and outside of Pak that is!

We need to invest in Science and Technology like there is no tomorrow... and now IK has appointed that bafooon as its minister...does he know jack about Genetic Engineering, Biotech, Nano or AI... he is just a hustler of LaWhore judicial system...

Is there no end to maddness?
 

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I agree with your analysis except that it all started when an Army General (later a self designated Field Marshal) called the most patriotic politician of that time, sister of the founder of Pakistan, a traitor and his cronies wrote her name on street dogs. This guy (who is still liked by many in Pakistan) initiated the process of destruction. It was later continued by ZAB by taking some controversial decisions, such as nationalization and quota system. These two steps, again liked by a majority of Pakistanis, forced investors and bright minds to migrate to the West.
If you read history, half of the things linked to ZAB wad already passed in parliament by Bhutto before him....The only wrong he did was not stop it, not challenge it and not change it. But blaming him for the initiation started by Bhutto is wrong...

As for writing Fatima's name on dogs....I have never heard nor did I ever see it. I am almost certain it is one of the many rumours / accusations thrown left and right to make ZAB look human as compared to others....like how his policies and blame of what he initiated went onto Zia by none other than his own followers....Zia was in fact blamed by Bhutto and his followers to make Bhutto look like a saint. There is also a conspiracy theory that the first few publications criminalising Zia actually started in America and was quickly picked up by Bhutto supporters as scapegoat for to show their dead as some Saint

Don't get me wrong I think Zia was also wrong for not having the foresight to see Bhuttos policy spin out of control and stop it...

This system is one of the primary reasons we are suffering form the brain drain and the bright lot of our students prefer to appear in the Civil service exams to get all the charms assoxyaed with it instead of excelling in reasrch and innovation.

Those handful who make it somehow without any political backing are considered lucky but those who don't simply leave the country

What we need to do is to take those charms away from the Civil service at recruit level
I have always been for cutting out this privileges and perks or limiting it. A poor country shouldn't be affording endless privileges to no matter who! Just a fixed pay is good enough. You want luxury you manage your salary don't juice the country!

I have stated many times people in parliament should be devoid of all privileges then only will we get honest people who really want to work for change coming in politics because right now all we have at every level (esp politics) are people who come for perks or to juice the country.

I know of associate professor level people whose mentality is restricted to grab a job and wait for pension don't care about research....If this is the mentality of top level uni people what can we expect from others?

Then you have people in parliament who wanted to increase their salaries? I called those stupid. ..how are you supposed to realize the plight of the people when you sit in castles with privileged? I even suggest loadshedding for people in higher ups so they realize what suffering the people go through.

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Gents,

Do you agree with the thesis I presented in the article? If you do... then...

@Dubious @The Eagle my dear Paks, if you see merit in the analysis/article... kindly make it sticky.

Without critical rootcause analysis we shall never be able to find and implement sustainable solutions......

Regards,

Mangus
As for making it sticky we have a similar thread by @WAJsal sometime back:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-system-by-wajsal.455694/

I haven't read his thoroughly but I think it is related: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-system-by-wajsal.455694/

I could merge the two if they are similar or make yours sticky on its own....
 

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If you read history, half of the things linked to ZAB wad already passed in parliament by Bhutto before him....The only wrong he did was not stop it, not challenge it and not change it. But blaming him for the initiation started by Bhutto is wrong...

As for writing Fatima's name on dogs....I have never heard nor did I ever see it. I am almost certain it is one of the many rumours / accusations thrown left and right to make ZAB look human as compared to others....like how his policies and blame of what he initiated went onto Zia by none other than his own followers....Zia was in fact blamed by Bhutto and his followers to make Bhutto look like a saint. There is also a conspiracy theory that the first few publications criminalising Zia actually started in America and was quickly picked up by Bhutto supporters as scapegoat for to show their dead as some Saint

Don't get me wrong I think Zia was also wrong for not having the foresight to see Bhuttos policy spin out of control and stop it...


I have always been for cutting out this privileges and perks or limiting it. A poor country shouldn't be affording endless privileges to no matter who! Just a fixed pay is good enough. You want luxury you manage your salary don't juice the country!

I have stated many times people in parliament should be devoid of all privileges then only will we get honest people who really want to work for change coming in politics because right now all we have at every level (esp politics) are people who come for perks or to juice the country.

I know of associate professor level people whose mentality is restricted to grab a job and wait for pension don't care about research....If this is the mentality of top level uni people what can we expect from others?

Then you have people in parliament who wanted to increase their salaries? I called those stupid. ..how are you supposed to realize the plight of the people when you sit in castles with privileged? I even suggest loadshedding for people in higher ups so they realize what suffering the people go through.


As for making it sticky we have a similar thread by @WAJsal sometime back:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-system-by-wajsal.455694/

I haven't read his thoroughly but I think it is related: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-system-by-wajsal.455694/

I could merge the two if they are similar or make yours sticky on its own....

My Pak brother,

If you recall my other thread about Pak economic malaise (which you kindly made sticky).. this is the mirror of that one. If I may request you to make it sticky that would be wonderful.

I guess we have to make Naya Pakistan ourselves...

Thanks!

Mangus
 

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My Pak brother,

If you recall my other thread about Pak economic malaise (which you kindly made sticky).. this is the mirror of that one. If I may request you to make it sticky that would be wonderful.

I guess we have to make Naya Pakistan ourselves...

Thanks!

Mangus
We try to discourage similar threads that is why I pointed out @WAJsal thread....If it is similar I can merge it if it is different we can make it sticky....

I have said many times before I appreciate originality
 

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I lost hope for Pakistan just bcz of Judiciary and NAB. we are almost in 3rd year of corruption cases and money laundering and still not a single one has been punished yet.

اور رہی سہی کسر لاہور ہائیکورٹ نے پوری کر دی
پاکستان کا اللہ ہی حافظ ہے
 

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This is the one of the faces of #CriminalEnterprise ruling Paks... from within these parasites are trying to hollowout Pak State and are willing accomplices and foreign agents.

He-she is talking against Pak in the 'sacred' parliment and his slaves are dancing...

Does Billo/Bill represent Pak and Paks?

Can this thing be trusted with the Defence of Pak?

Hasn't his-her 'party' committed crimes against humanity in Sindh?

For how long we have to listen to these parasites? What is their qualification for being the 'leader' of Paks?

P.S. I have nothing against Transgenders... I just don't approve of hypocracy of #CriminalEnterprise of Billos-Bills...

#GoBilloGo #Disel&BilloTogether
 

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For two years I have maintained that Organised Corruption is Crime Against Humanity. Since 1980s Paks have been the victim of this crime with increasing intensity. The results for both the Pak State and Pak People are becoming grave by the day.

The result of this #EconomicTerrorism is that the majority of Paks have not only become poor but the State itself has become most vulnerable than ever before.
This is the fruit of current system.

A do or die decision moment?
Or simply survive this one and we'll see what happens next attitude shall continue?

But for how long such an attitude can Perserve the State?

Without a state there cann't be a nation. That's why Perservation of the State is Highest Virtue.
Perservation of State is the only thing that matters... without it there is no identity or culture as a composite. Or a civilisation can exist. The State is the Framework of all else to exist in relative freedom.

Organised Corruption is Crime Against Humanity:

What is this evil?

When someone steals a TV from a house it is not just an object that is stolen. But part of life is stolen. Someone had to work, save money, there would have been family's emotional investement and family time together... a long chain of Value.

So it is not just the object that gets stolen but part of life gets stolen.

Therefore, in a fair judicial system... it is overweighed the motivation of theft. Whether it was to quench fire of hunger or a criminal enterprise? Punishment accordingly.

A TV can be returned! Value regained....but...

When the theft becomes organised the consequences are the collapse of a system. Corruption is theft simply. An individual government empolyee taking bribe to provide serivces which are the rights of a citizen is individual corruption.

However, when the entire governmental departments, bureaucracy and politicos get into the act then its a National Theft with national consequences.

The result of this is denial of education, health and justice. NS league, Zardari League, Mullah League are all part of this enterprise. Becuase they have not stolen just the money but the future of Paks.

They have stolen Right to Human Dignity.


What does stunted growth means?
It means that that child will never reach a full human potential. Essentially becoming a subhuman. This has happened to about 50% of Paks. Those who are above the poverty line won't get education or health care or justice. Creating the vast majority of population of dispossessed citizens.

Even if by some miracle all the stolen wealth is recovered it will take two generations to recover from the impact of this Oranised Crime. Because subhumans won't be able to raise Quality Humans to contribute to National Strength while the rest of the world moves into Super Intelligence of AI dominated economies.

Subhumans don't have human right!

Anatomy of Corruption:

In its simplest definition corruption is not doing one's job in accordance to the defined rules. Pak's sickness of corruption has its roots after the assasination of first PM of Pak. Then it was corruption for power. ZAB was the ulitmate example of its peak. Enter Zia and he brought in the cancer of Total Corruption with JUI-NS alliance.

From day one NS turned politics into business..he didn't see people but assets to be bought, invested in and utilised. This investement is still paying off in judiciary and bureaucracy. All are NS assets.

1992 Isaq $ Money Bill laid the foundation of money laundering in Pak. The capital flight became easier and PKR remains on steady decline ever since. In other words increasing poverty growth in Pak.

In the 90s BB-Zardari took lessons from NS and joined in the looting... Mullahs also were rewarded with assets. Relgion became more profitable. Everyone has now offshore holdings/trusts and assets.

Even the bureaucrats have offshore companies. Let us not forget judges and other instituitions. Either on their name or their kids/wives. Some Paks are very very rich.

True Size of Pak's Economy:

It is quite difficult to determine the true size of Pak economy without validated data. However, about 60% to 70% Pak's economy is black within Pak borders. However, when we take into consideration the money that went off shore the picture changes.

The billions of dollars that got laundered got invested. That money is not sitting idle. Money when it sits idle loses its value. Be it BD garments industry, realestate in ME, Europe, North America or South... all has increased in value... e.g. NS sons are into property business or some others own hotels directly or through frontmen.

The point being that all these assets and business are the property of Paks and indirectly part of Pak economy. Let us just forget narcobusiness exports and networks.

Can then someone calculate the true size of Pak's Economy?

Compromised National Sovereignty:
From Friends not Masters to Condi Rice installed PPP and then PMLN governments the decline has been steep.

Yes, the nuklier bumb. We know. But that is only useful for survival.

National Life is far more than just nuklier bumb. And of course ZAB gave it to the Nation... oh no.. it was NS who exploded the bumb with his own hands..NS the Supreme Leader wouldn't even sign the damn order... some leaders these parasites... (Do you know how many died because of radioactive poisoning? And these parasite don't tire of claiming credit)

PM/COAS of a nation of 220 million, with 65+% youth, has to go hat in hand to friends to save the country from default is not an act of a Sovereign Regional Power.

This state of being didn't happen overnight. It is a gradual process, seeds of which were laid by ZAB... furthered by Zia's renting out the State... plunder of 90's... Mushy's installing of agents of Masters of the Universe, influx of NGOs... 10 years of dimmocracy with historic Economic Terrorism combined with Hybridwar and daily bomblasts. $250+Bln loss to economy and 70+k Paks dead. That is 70+k families.

The infilteration of religious outfits by foreign powers that started in Zia time for purely secterian death orgy has now become a darkweb of hostile agencies... in otherwords, a clear and present danger.

There are more dollars/foreign currency in private hands within Pak borders than the package Pak needs from IMF with historically harsh conditions. IMF loans are political. Never economic.

And the State is so weak that it cann't even take a Sovereing Decision to sieze all foreign currency and give the holders PKR at fairvalue even. Gettting looted wealth back to Pak is tedious and time consuming why cann't SBP and FIA just sieze dollars?

Comprehensive National Strength:
What is Pak's comprehensive national strength?
It is the sum of performance of state instituitions, quality and magnitude of education of the populace, net output of science and technology, stability of internal and external environment and economic/financial stability.

Apart from a few national security instituitions all other factors have been compromised. Or rather down right useless.. When NS /Zardari regimes could use IB to spy on the army and ISI then we know what could be the relative CNS of Pak State.

Pak State/Govs have consistently failed to formulate any policy to advance Human Condition in Pak.

18th Amendement was the final nail....it created defacto four countries where centre is there to beg friends and IMF/WB and provinces are there to money launder and plunder.

Educated Slave Drivers:
The British ruled the world and the subcontinent through a combination of pomp, bluf, disdain and local bureaucracy... they created with great success coconuts. How else a few thousands could rule over 100s of millions in the subcontinent?

The same attitude of ruling the locals has been the fate of Pak and Paks. The Pak bureaucracy as intituition has this superiority complex towards the populace. From the induction through this stupid entrance exampe this attitude is ingrained.... making them see themselves as Ubermens.

Had the bureaucracy not been part of #CriminalEnterprise organised corruption could never have happened in Pak. How else could these bureaucrats end up billionaires with their children and wives having foreign nationalities?

Without any specialised knowledge armed with a bloody exame they passed they get to continue the system. Whats more is the work of these glorified clerks other than writting summaries and 'following' business rules?

How come a country on the verge of collapse has its bureaucracy having multiple cars and great mansions to live in...while the sea of subhumans keep growing?

Just have look at China and see how there are government employees and not bureaucrats? Let alone developed world where there are no private drivers for Sir, Mrs, kids and AC for dogs...

LaWhore Justice System:

Whoring became more accentuated during the rise of NS... like in the bureaucracy judicary became populated by his men. Loyal to him than the State or Consitution. Same occured in Sindh.... Zardari copied NS method with zeal...

So this process of 'relief' should not come as a surprise to anyone. Justice in this Criminal System is the privilge of the mighty. Subhumans must die without a bail.

However, this LaWhoring of judicial system has compromised the writ of the state. NAP cann't advance in the presence of compromised judiciary.

FBR a 8 Trillion PKR Racket:
FBR had the information about NS's wife's appartment but sat on it. It didn't became public. And when it did...NOTHING happened.

And estimated 6-8 Trillions are taken by the FBR every year.... where does this money go? How does this money get laundered or assets bought by the FBR officials?

Is the State so impotent that it cann't do anything about it? Is it not an issue of National Security to get to this racket and fill the national treasure so that it could be spent on the people?

Energy & IPP:
One of the biggest #EconomicTerrorism has been the trading in energy imports and IPPs. Both are part of the same mafia which has turned the State and 220million into hostage. With ever increasing Circular Debt to be paid by the population.

Of course, the State knows who is frontman of whom and how much money is stached where. ROI on these IPPs has been long earned and some more... yet still capacity payments. What else could be called Crime?

If these IPP owners and energy mafia are Pakistanis then how come the State is so weak in front of these terrorists? It is same mafia which has sabotaged the Dam buildings in Pak in cooperation with bureaucracy.

Pak is going to be one of the most hit by climate change with only a very limited water storage... if this not a Crime Agianst Humanity then what would qualify?

Go to China / Disease is profitable:
Knowledge should be the byproduct of education. But the education has become most profitable business. The State has accepted its failure and impotance by not being able to provide education and being able to regulate fees of the private educational businesses.

By the same laziness the State has withdrawn itself from its duty to proivde healthcare same as justice. It is nothing more than a paralysed observer to see how drug companies make a killing from the suffering of others and how dispossessed die outside of hospitals.


It is the responsibility of the State to:

Provide Freedom Against Hunger

Provide Freedom Against Injustice


Provide Freedom Against Ignorance

All of State's policies have to be directed towards this end. Otherwise, a State has no right to be called civilised.

What is the solution to remedy this Crime Agianst Humanity:

NAB is not going to do jack... the parliment is not going to pass a law against itself...

The current constituition of Pak has an article that guarantees Right to Life.

A petition needs to be filed in SC of Pak that Crimes Against Humanity have been committed and it needs to declare it as such. There is so much data available about number deaths, kids out of schools, sale of public assets at fire sale prices etc.

The key is legal framing of the Crime Agianst Humanity and the evidence to support it.

After the decision PK rep in the UN must file a resolution to have UN declare that Organised Corruption is Crime Against Humanity. There is already Anti-Corruption and MoneyLaundering Convention...

After this the no one on Earth can hide from justice... all the looted wealth and criminals can be be brought back. And in the process Pak State would have done a great service to Humanity.

Will the Pak State do such a thing?
No. The State lost the will and audacity to do any such thing under Musharraf.

State can only if it has the BALLS of steel. It would require a intervention by the establishment. Send the courts and corrupt bureaucracy packing...change the system and initiate new state organs from the scratch like the judiciary and bureaucracy.
The deep state has many creative options to deal with traitors till the above happens --- yet they don't do it. I have personally had numerous discussions with people who have had the power to take matters into their own hands for the good of the country yet all they could come up with are pathetic excuses.

Musharraf had a chance to fix but he gave nro to politicians in return we got 18th amendment and high debt and the Judiciary, lawyer march gave handicap courts law for elite money driven its more like a business then justice.
Hope is that we get referendum to establish new system of governing and hang all corrupt no one over age 50 should be allowed to hold office we have 65% youth for godsake.
In terms of power structure, Mush's early years were probably the last real time any such thing could have happened. But Mush turned out to be one of the worst leaders we've ever had --- relative to his power as a civ-mil dictator, his contributions are depressingly mediocre. What was needed then was an entire revamp of the Constitution and civil service at the minimum.
 

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