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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 226 44.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 57 11.3%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 105 20.9%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 103 20.5%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 13 2.6%

  • Total voters
    503

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No personal insults please.

I do admire @Zarvan for his patriotism and optimism. It is just getting too excited at times that is the problem and as long as i do not get a DIRECT message from him asking me to stop, i will continue fighting this battle to get him back to understanding things that should and should not be said.

I have multiple times said that in today's world, there are NO ABSOLUTE CERTAINTIES! Not in defense matters at least. It is not just about performance and price but politics as well. And you know how politics works, the parties that built their political carrier opposing each other claim that they are partners now, have we not seen this happen? This is politics! Things can change at the last movement. So regardless of us showing interest, having arranged for money (which ALWAYS IS A PROBLEM in our case so that "MONEY NO ISSUE" is bullcr@p) So pardon me if i challenge statements like AH-1Z is a done deal, or C-130J is a done deal, or OPH is a done deal or U-214 is a done deal, or Z-10 are coming for sure, or T-129 are coming for sure, or F-16 Blk 72 is finalized and are in transit or The vipers have landed in Multan and we are hiding this news until all eight thousand of those arrive or PN will get a nuclear submarine from China in 2021-2022 or PAF is going for Su35 or PAF is going for EFT and its a done deal OR those UAE Cargo planes brought Mirages etc etc! NOTING IS A DONE DEAL UNTIL IT IS DONE. We paid for those god forsaken F-16 decades ago, remember? wasn't it a done deal at that time? US-Pak relations were great, we evaluated and decided to buy more F-16, LM and USA agreed, money was settled,, DONE DEAL???? Where are those damn planes? If people still do not understand this, all i can do is keep reminding them of their mistakes. Stubbornness is one thing, stupidity is another!
welldone for making me feel like a kuntz and making ye self into a pious being. may Allah elevate your status!
 

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As of now I give a dam whether SCAR comes or not. What I know is G3 and Type 56 needs to go. If they are replaced with BREN, or Berretta or some other advance rifle from any part of the world, I am all for it.
 

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Is it so difficult to manfacturer or desifn a modified version of AR?

I mean what are guys at POF doing

They should hire someone from bara in FATA they will do a better job

People in USA, pakistan KPK regions design guns them selves, in USA it ends up with mass producers

The replacement process is exepected to be slow for cost reasons so if we start now it will be 10 yrs
Hi,

Very disappointed at your level of understanding the issue---. Manufacturing a full fledged combat weapon is an art form and cannot be made in darra
 

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Hi,

Very disappointed at your level of understanding the issue---. Manufacturing a full fledged combat weapon is an art form and cannot be made in darra
He isn't suggesting it be made in darra. He's just saying we can convert raw talent and craftsmanship into stellar human resource.
 

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Hi,

Very disappointed at your level of understanding the issue---. Manufacturing a full fledged combat weapon is an art form and cannot be made in darra
I am talking about making a modified version of AR 15
People in dara and multiple start ups in USA with no modern machinery can do it but not in POF ..
 

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As of now I give a dam whether SCAR comes or not. What I know is G3 and Type 56 needs to go. If they are replaced with BREN, or Berretta or some other advance rifle from any part of the world, I am all for it.
had ho gai Hazrat @Zarvan

پنج سال تو ساڈا سر کھدا وے بیبے سکار دا پھنڈ پونا کر کے ہن کے مرض لگی گھیا آے

ڈھیٹ مٹی دی پاکستانی معاشرے دی تو صہی مسال ویں
Hi,

Very disappointed at your level of understanding the issue---. Manufacturing a full fledged combat weapon is an art form and cannot be made in darra
not dara, its Peshawar that has overtaken Dara. In Peshawar they have imported top level CNC machining & tooling and using the right materials to make AR rifles. dara is now a dinosaur that's probably like going to a museum.

If Peshawar gun makers are invested upon they will deliver.
 
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Hi,

Very disappointed at your level of understanding the issue---. Manufacturing a full fledged combat weapon is an art form and cannot be made in darra
Yes they can't be but if you bring Darra into mainstream provide them finance and allow them to establish proper manufacturing units as well as R and D. I am pretty sure they would much better job then Kaam Chor POF and HIT.
 

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He isn't suggesting it be made in darra. He's just saying we can convert raw talent and craftsmanship into stellar human resource.
Hi,

No---it cannot be done just like that---. Comments like these show that the difficulty of the task is not understood---. Darra has history of making high quality weapons????---they can only make third rate copies---.

Even in the US---there is no such thing that an ordinary man makes a gun with ordinary backgrounds---.

The art of metallurgy in gun making is an extremely secretive business---.

Pak military chose the G3 as a weapon of choice---. If POF manufactures rifles now---you need to find out from where the rifle barrels come from---and the rest of the metal used in fabricating the mechanism what is its origin---.

In this day and age---building your own AR type rifle is useless---. Be smart---be intelligent and go for assembly & right to manufacture an existing platform---.

Don't let egos get in the way of sound decision & policy---.
 
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Even in the US---there is no such thing that an ordinary man makes a gun with ordinary backgrounds---.
Well, a kid in Australia managed to tinker out a weapon in his garage which would go on to serve through WW2, Vietnam and beyond...

For those who are curious, this video talks about it:
 

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Mujhe ye samajh nai ati that why did PA drop CZ and FB Radom MSBS. The eastern europeans seemed to offer great options of not just the rifles alone but the accessories to go along with them.
 

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