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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 226 45.1%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 57 11.4%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 105 21.0%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 101 20.2%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 13 2.6%

  • Total voters
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Zarvan

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It was one of the weapons which performed well once PA was doing trials.
Sir please don't say these things, kind of heart breaking. For three long years we tested best Assault Rifles from all around world but not even one selected, and we are still stuck with 60 years old G3 and 70 year old AK 47.

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Sir please don't say these things, kind of heart breaking. For three long we tested best Assault Rifles from the world but nothing selected and we are still stuck with 60 years old G3 and 70 year old AK 47.

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Bhai, please dont forget our 78 year old MG1A3 (MG-42 from 1942)

Sir please don't say these things, kind of heart breaking. For three long we tested best Assault Rifles from the world but nothing selected and we are still stuck with 60 years old G3 and 70 year old AK 47.

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Waisay i am willing to wait a bit more for SCAR H......
 

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I think SCRA was out-performed by CZ BERN ? why wait for it, I doubt it will be coming except some for SF units might consider it, but they are already equipped with M4A1 and Type 52's .
Wait matlab k jahan itna wait kia hai for a new rifle, lets wait a bit more.
 

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They are heavy, but their metallurgy is awesome....you keep firing all day, no hiccups, no effect on accuracy due t prolonged firing.....

But Type 56-II really sucks....starts to give away after couple of mags.
What was the need for type56-II if type56 worked fine? Or was paucity in numbers(SMG) the reason to order type56-II?

G3 is also being used. Why are two types of rifles in use? Wouldn't it be better to use single type or single caliber ?

There was another rifle of 223 caliber made by POF which looked similar to G3 and was supposed to replace it? What happened to that project?

Some questions because I am naturally a curious person.
 

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What was the need for type56-II if type56 worked fine? Or was paucity in numbers(SMG) the reason to order type56-II?
Type 56 are in small numbers. They were then complemented by Type 56-II.

G3 is also being used. Why are two types of rifles in use? Wouldn't it be better to use single type or single caliber ?
One is a battle rifle (G3), other is an assault rifle....different roles, different mechanisms, different uses, they actually complement each other very well.....like a relationship of ESHORAD, LOMAD and HIMAD.

There was another rifle of 223 caliber made by POF which looked similar to G3 and was supposed to replace it? What happened to that project?
Not for PA use.
 

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Bhai, please dont forget our 78 year old MG1A3 (MG-42 from 1942)
Isn't MG3 derived from MG42 and improved over old design. Many still use it around the world as GP machine gun. It still works exceptionally well in good hands.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the reason it hasn't seen much improvement as it is already well engineered.
 

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Isn't MG3 derived from MG42 and improved over old design. Many still use it around the world as GP machine gun. It still works exceptionally well in good hands.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the reason it hasn't seen much improvement as it is already well engineered.
You are right. But then G3 has also improved from its initial design. That why all these weapons are still in use today.
 

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One is a battle rifle (G3), other is an assault rifle....different roles, different mechanisms, different uses, they actually complement each other very well.....like a relationship of ESHORAD, LOMAD and HIMAD.
That is understandable.

However, that is not the trend in many armed forces . For example US military uses m4, m16 and minimi; only m240 is of different caliber. Furthermore, what crossed my mind was the presence of different calibers complexifying logistics and tactics. That came to my mind from reading US field manuals which thankfully are free to download.

Excellent and uncommon quality, the one with which one learns alot.
Thanks for the response, many members including myself are learning a lot from your contributions to pdf; that helps us improve our knowledge base as well.
 

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That is understandable.

However, that is not the trend in many armed forces . For example US military uses m4, m16 and minimi; only m240 is of different caliber. Furthermore, what crossed my mind was the presence of different calibers complexifying logistics and tactics. That came to my mind from reading US field manuals which thankfully are free to download.
Strictly speaking, both are 7.62....which shows our emphasis on a heavy bullet able to inflict massive damage...

one of my SSG mates, he lost an eye due to 5.56...he had M4.....a firefight had just ended, all the enemy dead were hit by SSG's M4.....suddenly one of the guys (despite getting about 4 shots in his torso), in his dying throes, managed to let loose a shot towards my mate who detected him at the same time.....both fired at the same time, my mate lost his eye, the other lost his life finally.....

7.62 has advantages, it packs a massive punch......good for strong defence.

Thanks for the response, many members including myself are learning a lot from your contributions to pdf; that helps us improve our knowledge base as well.
Shukriya, i always feel honored. Knowledge is best used if it is spread.
 

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