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If you eliminate all the CSF payments the Pakistani economy will be in the doldrums
Since we're doing hypotheticals, if you eliminate CSF payments, then eliminate the US invasion of Afghanistan and the chaos, destruction and tens of billions of dollars in economic losses and costs from military deployments and operations it caused.

Pakistan would still be ahead. The US got the support that it did from Pakistan for bargain basement prices, but the US Establishment and its touts in the Think Tank/Analyst circle still keep whining and crying over why Pakistan didn't 'do more' and serve up long term strategic loyalty and policy alignment to a country actively supporting and propping up existential enemies, including terrorist groups in Afghanistan.

You can't cherry pick what to eliminate and what not to eliminate.
the Indian musalmans have also maintained a degree of separation with the rest of India
How do you quantify that statement?

Any empirical evidence in support?
 
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@krash it's now PDF policy to play favourites among Indians and pit Muslims versus the rest?

What do you mean by "especially Indian Muslim members"?

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It's against forum policy for members to engage in personal attacks against other members.

Beyond that, you know by now that issues with moderator decisions need to be taken to GHQ, and you already know that your post was in violation of forum rules so it won't do you any good to take it to GHQ.

Move on please.
 

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There you go, sounding like a fool yet again.

The Indian economy was in a sh.thole in 1990, it has done a lot only since 2000, because of the reform process started in the 1990s.

Pakistan has received no CSF for many many years and right now receives less aid than either of the other countries you mentioned.

Less then India
Less than Bangladesh.
Less than Sri Lanka.

It helps to know stuff, or at least learn before you comment, otherwise, you end up looking like an idiot.

Before the 1990s Pakistan had the highest living standards in the region, it's the continued Afghan wars that have affected Pakistan so negatively.
If Pakistan received the same amount of aid as other countries, we would not have had to go to the IMF. Let's have fair play in evaluations.
On a per captia basis Pakistan has gotten more money than India, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. Afghanistan is the only country that has gotten more thanks to American occupation

The highest living standards of Pakistan prior to 1990 are a $50-$100 differential over India in nominal GDP.

If war is so negative please explain Sri Lanka's performance. They had a civil war for 25 years
 

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On a per captia basis Pakistan has gotten more money than India, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. Afghanistan is the only country that has gotten more thanks to American occupation

The highest living standards of Pakistan prior to 1990 are a $50-$100 differential over India in nominal GDP.

If war is so negative please explain Sri Lanka's performance. They had a civil war for 25 years
You seem to be splitting hairs.
Those countries did not pay any dues in return for the aid they received, Pakistan has played a large role in support of those who gave aid to Pakistan, and paid a heavier price in terms of security and effect on the economy and society. So the calculation, if made with some fairness becomes more complicated. India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka gained far more than Pakistan.

In terms of percentage there was a 20-25% differential in per capita income, as is the case now, so what's your point? it was higher than other countries, and that's what I had said. In 1947 Pakistan was the poorest, if it managed to outrank everyone before, I see no reason why it cannot do it again.

Sri Lanka had one type of local war for 25 years.
Pakistan has had to deal with multiple wars and crises since the Soviet Invasion, that's 40 years and counting, Plus the highest refugee population on earth, plus a hostile neighbour to the east, plus an Iran/Saudi backed sectarian war within the country, plus 10 years of military sanctions and complete cut-off of aid for over a decade in the 1990s, there is more but my point is made.

Pakistan has had to deal with a set of problems Sri Lanka never did. None of Pakistans owns making, if a superpower comes to your doorsteps with aggressive designs, then you do what you can to protect yourself. The soviet invasion of Afghanistan was the catalyst, the rest followed in the aftermath. But it is Pakistan that took the brunt.

It is important to recognise facts, and, not get stuck in criticism for sake of criticism.
 
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Indian economy has grown a lot since 1990. Bangladeshi economy has been doing great for a decade. Sri Lanka and Maldives have used tourism to make progress. If you eliminate all the CSF payments the Pakistani economy will be in the doldrums
That's why we r linking up with Chinese economy the soon to be biggest in world to extract economic benefits
 

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You seem to be splitting hairs.
Those countries did not pay any dues in return for the aid they received, Pakistan has played a large role in support of those who gave aid to Pakistan, and paid a heavier price in terms of security and effect on the economy and society. So the calculation, if made with some fairness becomes more complicated. India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka gained far more than Pakistan.

In terms of percentage there was a 20-25% differential in per capita income, as is the case now, so what's your point? it was higher than other countries, and that's what I had said. In 1947 Pakistan was the poorest, if it managed to outrank everyone before, I see no reason why it cannot do it again.

Sri Lanka had one type of local war for 25 years.
Pakistan has had to deal with multiple wars and crises since the Soviet Invasion, that's 40 years and counting, Plus the highest refugee population on earth, plus a hostile neighbour to the east, plus an Iran/Saudi backed sectarian war within the country, plus 10 years of military sanctions and complete cut-off of aid for over a decade in the 1990s, there is more but my point is made.

Pakistan has had to deal with a set of problems Sri Lanka never did. None of Pakistans owns making, if a superpower comes to your doorsteps with aggressive designs, then you do what you can to protect yourself. The soviet invasion of Afghanistan was the catalyst, the rest followed in the aftermath. But it is Pakistan that took the brunt.

It is important to recognise facts, and, not get stuck in criticism for sake of criticism.
Pakistan got more foreign aid on a per captia basis. We are not talking 10% or 20% more but on the order of 200-400% more compared to India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Maybe that explained why Pakistan did better than India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. When foreign aid was cut off in the 1990s the Pakistani economy tanked. It is not splitting hairs. It is reality.
That's why we r linking up with Chinese economy the soon to be biggest in world to extract economic benefits
I wish you good luck with that. it is always a one way street with China
 

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Pakistan got more foreign aid on a per captia basis. We are not talking 10% or 20% more but on the order of 200-400% more compared to India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Maybe that explained why Pakistan did better than India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. When foreign aid was cut off in the 1990s the Pakistani economy tanked. It is not splitting hairs. It is reality.
You clearly are massively misinformed, or just a bit too dense.

I did not dispute it received more on a per capita basis, but neither do I, or you know much it was on a per capita basis.
What you failed to grasp is the return paid by Pakistan and the associated costs which the other countries did not have to face. It matters, if you wish to use fair analysis, you cannot pick and choose.

You are also basing your arguments purely on assumptions, without facts, that's just plain stupid and hollow. America also had cut off military aid between 1965 to 1982, if you have something substantive to say then please do, otherwise go stick your head in the sand, because you are not making any sense. all you are doing is making tall claims from your fantasies.. That's the mark of a madman.
 
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Pakistan got more foreign aid on a per captia basis. We are not talking 10% or 20% more but on the order of 200-400% more compared to India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Pakistan's economy and industries lost far more than the aid that was given because of that stupid war in Afghanistan. if the US troops dont leave Afghanistan by the stated deadline then we should close the NATO supply line from Karachi to Afghanistan, and let the US troops start dying like flies.
 

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You clearly are massively misinformed, or just a bit too dense.

I did not dispute it received more on a per capita basis, but neither do I, or you know much it was on a per capita basis.
What you failed to grasp is the return paid by Pakistan and the associated costs which the other countries did not have to face. It matters, if you wish to use fair analysis, you cannot pick and choose.

You are also basing your arguments purely on assumptions, without facts, that's just plain stupid and hollow. America also had cut off military aid between 1965 to 1982, if you have something substantive to say then please do, otherwise go stick your head in the sand, because you are not making any sense. all you are doing is making tall claims from your fantasies.. That's the mark of a madman.
Quit beating around the bush. All aid from Western countries and USSR have been well documented. Any money from Gulf royals is less likely to be documented. Pakistan was a bigger beneficary than India, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.

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Pakistan got $44 billion compared to $65 billion for India. This is economic aid. The population differential is 6:1. The numbers are correct. I can add military aid. Pakistan will be a bigger beneficary.

That alone explains Pakistan's outperformance of other countries until 1990.
Pakistan's economy and industries lost far more than the aid that was given because of that stupid war in Afghanistan. if the US troops dont leave Afghanistan by the stated deadline then we should close the NATO supply line from Karachi to Afghanistan, and let the US troops start dying like flies.
You can cut off the NATO supply lines. I can tell you your generals do not have the balls to do that
 

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It's such a cute speech, blabbing on trangressions on India, all the while forgetting everything that Pakistan's tinpot theocracy has done over the years. You do deserve such "intellectuals"
Says a member of RSS LOL
Indian economy has grown a lot since 1990. Bangladeshi economy has been doing great for a decade. Sri Lanka and Maldives have used tourism to make progress. If you eliminate all the CSF payments the Pakistani economy will be in the doldrums
Yada yada. We have beem hearing this boogeyman BS forever now. Just gtfo Afghanistan.
Quit beating around the bush. All aid from Western countries and USSR have been well documented. Any money from Gulf royals is less likely to be documented. Pakistan was a bigger beneficary than India, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.

This is PDFer favorite link to beat up on India
Pakistan got $44 billion compared to $65 billion for India. This is economic aid. The population differential is 6:1. The numbers are correct. I can add military aid. Pakistan will be a bigger beneficary.

That alone explains Pakistan's outperformance of other countries until 1990.


You can cut off the NATO supply lines. I can tell you your generals do not have the balls to do that
When will your brave leaders put Pakistan on FATF blacklist? Your countries cry rivers for their INGOs to operate in Pakistan. They write letters and plead. You are not there for charity.

Papa America has ended all economic and military aid for a long while to Pakistan. I don't know what cave you are living in. It is about time you people stopped believing in your delusional BS. You don't have anything to say regarding Pakistan. The fact that Pakistan is today in the Chinese camp should be enough to shut you up. We know why Western leaders and think tanks hold daylight therapies to convince Pakistan that cooperation with China is hazardous for Pakistan LOL Stop pretending that you have any clout. Your role has been reduced to bssically nothing.

What kind of a savage are you? Blaming the same country that feeds your soldiers in Afghanistan. You rely on our routes to keep your soldiers alive. Yet you support terror on our soil by allowing Indian and Afghan terrorists to kill our people. You got some good payback though.
 
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Quit beating around the bush. All aid from Western countries and USSR have been well documented. Any money from Gulf royals is less likely to be documented. Pakistan was a bigger beneficary than India, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.
44 billion dollars is a joke compared to the losses we sustained to our GDP. whole industries shut down and moved to other countries.

You can cut off the NATO supply lines. I can tell you your generals do not have the balls to do that
be careful what you wish for. its in Pakistan's interests that Taliban rules Afghanistan, and the deadline for the US troops to leave is getting closer. if you dont fu*k off now then your troops will die like the pigs that they are.
 
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What losses ? It is not like Karachi, Lahore or Islamabad were ever war zones like Beirut, Sarajevo or Mogadishu or Damascus
then come live in Pakistan and see what effect your stupid war had on industries here you daft cunt. not to mention the 10s of 1000s of Pakistanis that died from you cowboys and your pointless war. its 2021, you succeeded yet? or you another 20 years?
 

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