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Pakistan's New Fighter Jets Can Change the Balance: The Impact of Pakistan's First Indigenous JF-17 Thunder


Written by Moin Ansari

Tuesday, 28 April 2009 13:55

Squadron Deployment

* The manufacturing and deployment in Peshawar was done in a record time, one of the shortest time lines in the history of aviation.


* Now the Sri Lankans can have as many planes they want to fight the Indian sponsored Tamil terrorists. And the Middle Eastern Air Forces can begin flying the JF-17 Thunders without begging the U.S. And the small countries of Africa can own their own JF-17 Thunders without selling their souls to the Europeans.


* And it’s not just the JF-17 Thunder. The success story of Pakistani ingenuity and the will to survive repeated American arms embargos and Indian aggression goes far beyond this single feat. Since the uncertain days of Independence in 1947, no other country has come so far in defense production in such a short period of time.



The impact of the JF-17 Thunder deployment can be heard far beyond Islamabad and Peshawar. Pakistan has now joined the ranks of the very few countries of the world that can design, produce and manufacture airplanes. This positions Pakistan on new geostrategic map. Within a few years Pakistani exports of the new fighter aircraft will exponentially grow into huge volumes. The revenue from the export of JF-17 Thunder will be ploughed back into research and development and the purchase of the best technology money can buy.

After the 1965 war the U.S. placed an arms embargo on Pakistan. Despite being a founding member of SEATO and CENTO, Islamabad faced the American sanctions. During the 1971 war Pakistan was under another American arms embargo. During the 1990s, after winning the cold war for the USA, Pakistan was under U.S. sanctions and an arms embargo.

All this is history.

Today Pakistan is capable of producing as many planes as it needs–subject to production capacity constrains which can be ramped up if and when needed. The exports to many third world countries will expedite and enhance the production capacity of the Pakistan Air Force.

Now the Sri Lankans can have as many planes they want to fight the Indian sponsored Tamil terrorists. And the Middle Eastern Air Forces can begin flying the JF-17 Thunders without begging the U.S. And the small countries of Africa can own their own JF-17 Thunders without selling their souls to the Europeans.

Pakistan has not only designed and jointly built the JF-17 Thunder, it now has deployed its first squadron in Peshawar–all in record time, one of the shortest time lines in the history of aviation. This is a major milestone for the Pakistan Air Force and brings it one step closer to becoming a major producer and exporter of planes around the world. About 17 countries are interested in the JF-17 Thunder which was a major attraction at the Pakistani IDEAS 2009 defense show this year. The success of the indigenous JF-17 deployment is a success story in many aviation failures around the globe. The American F-111, the Israeli Lavi and the Indian Tejas are notable examples of abject failures. The most recent victims of failure is the American F-22 Raptor which was recently canceled by the U.S. Department of Defense.

This success story of developing and manufacturing advanced weapons in Pakistan is not limited to the JF-17 Thunder. The Nuclear bomb, the missiles and the tanks were all produced in record time, considering that Pakistan had only one dysfunctional Textile Mill, one dilapidated University, and one archaic Jute Mill in 1947. No other country has come so far in defense production in such a short period of time.

It took the Japanese from the Meiji revolution of 1893 to 1940 to produce the deadly aircrafts that devastated Pearl Harbor. The first American missiles and the entire Apollo program was built on Von Braun’s German technology. The Russian program was similarly also based on the German programs. In fact the first V2-rockets in the Museums in Washington are simply German rocket painted red 9for Russia) and other colors for America.

The acidity of the comments from across the Radcliffe Line is palpable. The Indian press is noticeable only by its asphyxiated constipation. The silence is deafening.

Pakistan rebounding from volatile events faced issues with many of its “allies” who were also the suppliers. The USA did not want to sell any arms to Pakistan. The UK and Russia did the same. Pakistan evaluated her dangerous geo political situation as well as a belligerent international atmosphere and made some strategic decisions. The sons and daughters of Pakistan pledged “Never again” and developed a comprehensive strategy to be self-sufficient in her defense needs. It created a Nuclear deterrent, indigenous Al Khalid Tanks and a missile program that is the envy of South Asia. Neither the mercenaries sent from the across the border, not the blackmail can now harm the fabric of the country.

The Pakistan Airforce knew its needs, and prioritized its requirements. Both Pakistan and China had been jilted and were looking for plane to build. The new plane has exclusively been designed for Pakistani needs–deep penetration into India. The JF-17/FC-1 is designed to be a cost-effective plane which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of the Pakistani Air Force.The project was originally expected to cost about U.S. $ 500 million, divided equally between Pakistan and China. Each plane will cost Pakistan about US$ 15-20 million. The JF-17 Thunder initial development project was completed in a record period of four years. However, later improvements to the project has taken up more time.

MOIN ANSARI

Source: Pakistan's New Fighter Jets Can Change Balance The Impact Of Pakistan?s First Indigenous JF-17 Thunder | Pakistan Daily


Great article absolutely true.

I strongly believe Pakistan has reached a new height in it's power. Pakistan is living up to the words of Quaid e Azam, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

"A country without a strong Air Force is at the mercy of an aggressor. Pakistan must build up her Air Force as quickly as possible. It must be an efficient Air Force, second to none"

Quaid-e-Azam,
13 April 1948, during his visit
to the PAF Flying Training
School at Risalpur.


Indeed Pakistan new Fighter Jets will and can change the balance of power we see today in our favor. It is the start of a new era for Pakistan's Aviation capability.
 

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first of all congrats for pakistans sucess

and congrats for calling f-22 raptor as a failure just becoz production was stopped at 180 odd planes.....

yea pakistan developed everything from the ashes after partition ...the chinese were just sitting and cheering pakistan ....is this the kind of appreciation this author shows to the chinese for the technical cooperation .....no credit for them HA HA HA

Pakistan rebounding from volatile events faced issues with many of its “allies” who were also the suppliers. The USA did not want to sell any arms to Pakistan. The UK and Russia did the same. Pakistan evaluated her dangerous geo political situation as well as a belligerent international atmosphere and made some strategic decisions. The sons and daughters of Pakistan pledged “Never again” and developed a comprehensive strategy to be self-sufficient in her defense needs. It created a Nuclear deterrent, indigenous Al Khalid Tanks and a missile program that is the envy of South Asia. Neither the mercenaries sent from the across the border, not the blackmail can now harm the fabric of the country.

VERY NICE ARTICLE :undecided::undecided::china::undecided:
 

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first of all congrats for pakistans sucess

and congrats for calling f-22 raptor as a failure just becoz production was stopped at 180 odd planes.....

yea pakistan developed everything from the ashes after partition ...the chinese were just sitting and cheering pakistan ....is this the kind of appreciation this author shows to the chinese for the technical cooperation .....no credit for them HA HA HA



VERY NICE ARTICLE :undecided::undecided::china::undecided:

He does give credit to China...

"The Pakistan Airforce knew its needs, and prioritized its requirements. Both Pakistan and China had been jilted and were looking for plane to build. The new plane has exclusively been designed for Pakistani needs–deep penetration into India. The JF-17/FC-1 is designed to be a cost-effective plane which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of the Pakistani Air Force.The project was originally expected to cost about U.S. $ 500 million, divided equally between Pakistan and China. "

But the focus of the article is from a Pakistani perspective on the impact of Pakistan's new fighter jets...
 

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You must learn from Malay how to express your disagreement while maintaining decency.

lol congradulating pakistan is INDECENT ....this is new to me

and we all know this was not a 50-50 venture between pakistan and china ...did pakistan pay for the developement ????...i have no info on this....any othe source of pakistan paying china for developement other than this article????
 

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lol congradulating pakistan is INDECENT ....this is new to me


No, but your attitude here is.

You have had enough posts to get over childish a vs b and get into more mature stuff. Look at the forums as a place to learn from others and share your experiences rather that looking to confront people and have the last say at any cost.

Malay and you come from the same country. he also disagrees with us on numerous occasions and has engaged in several debates. But he has certainly earned himself some respect because of the attitude. You can disagree with someone but remain decent at the same time.

Just some advice ...Its entirely up to you how you choose to take things.
 

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No, but your attitude here is.

You have had enough posts to get over childish a vs b and get into more mature stuff. Look at the forums as a place to learn from others and share your experiences rather that looking to confront people and have the last say at any cost.

Malay and you come from the same country. he also disagrees with us on numerous occasions and has engaged in several debates. But he has certainly earned himself some respect because of the attitude. You can disagree with someone but remain decent at the same time.

Just some advice ...Its entirely up to you how you choose to take things.

i am going off topic here ....you think i am all talk and no walk seriously ...i used to report every off topic post in the defence threads...i asked people not to feed trolls irrespective of nationality . ...but the mods are just sleeping ....but if a guy with a pak flag goes off topic there no one to keep him in check ....they show attitudes equal to extemists ...saying we will take down india while we go down ....and these kind of posts do not bring him any harm...this is what is happening ....i never went off topic in the first place ...yea i was not all that polite...i can give you 200 examples of my politeness of my 290 odd posts and the rest are not readable to the faint hearted
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Let us not be distracted from our objective and main point, trolls will be trolls they come and go, but we are here to stay.
 

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Isn't this the same over eager reporter who wrote in rupee news??
Well.. you cant argue his penchant for literal patriotism.
Other than that its mostly bloated achievements.
And as far as his bloating about the failures of the aircraft such as the raptor, he obviously hasn't heard of the American Congress, The F22 by far is beyond doubt a resounding success.. one can say that this guy is certainly the portrait of someone being blinded by the need for upbeat publications.
But.. I must say.. I find such articles a lot in Bharat rakshak, Key publishing and a hot of other sites displaying the same gung ho patriotism that this guy shows.
 

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F-22 is not a failure...present economic situation of US made the program halted for a certain period of time and it will be revived before the end term of Obama's administration...or as late as 2013-2014...
Indeed in coming years India will feel the balance to some degree changed once it gets state of the art avionics and weapons suites in pursuit already from China after 2012-2013 along with indigenous Chinese engine aligned Squadrons hoping to see 300 atleast..never under estimate ur enemy we never do but the opposition insist on underestimating...
 
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F-22 is not a failure...present economic situation of US made the program halted for a certain period of time and it will be revived before the end term of Obama's administration...or as late as 2013-2014...

While I believe that Moin Ansari has added up some icing in sensationalizing his recent articles, he is not alone in calling the F-22 a failure.

Apparently Pierre Sprey, a respecable and knowledgeable person and the man behind the F-16, also seem to think along those lines.

To quote Sprey,

At more than USD65 billion to procure the puny number being built, none of them used or useful in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the F-22 contributes mightily to the problem of the air force’s shrinking and aging aircraft inventory – at greatly increased cost. The F-22 is also a huge disappointment as a fighter – a likely failure in any hypothesized future air war against an enemy with a competent air force – unlikely as such an enemy seems in today’s world.

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Second, rejecting the combat effectiveness-based approach used on the F-16, the F-22 designers rested on the dream of radar-based, beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air combat. It was the same technological wishful thinking used in the1950s, the 1960s, and the 1970s, when the USAF spent billions of dollars trying and failing to develop effective radars, friend or foe identification systems, and radar-guided missiles to realise the BVR dream of killing enemies in the air at very long distances.
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As with all previous radar dependant fighters, the F-22’s big radar and avionics (and stealth) added major weight, drag, and complexity – thereby severely degrading combat essential characteristics, such as maneuvering agility and sortie rate. Worse, stealth fails to eliminate the Achilles heel of the wishfully named "low probability of intercept" radar and, indeed, all active radar BVR combat: alerting the enemy way beyond effective radar range, solving his friend or foe identification problem with a unique signal, and giving him a perfect beacon to guide his radar-homing missiles (a technology the Russians have specialised in for decades).

It is near delusional to ignore that all our stealth aircraft since the SR-71 have been routinely detected by ordinary ground radars around the world – and it is completely delusional to think that potential enemies and even friends have not figured out how to detect the spread spectrum signature of the F-22’s very powerful radar signal.

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You can read the complete, and very interesting , article by following this link.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you or calling the F-22 a failure, but just sharing the other side of the argument, which IMO cannot be rubbished aside.


What I think of the Raptor?
Well its neither a complete failure not as super as it is made to look. Strictly from a project management point of view, it looks more like a failure.
From the end-product in a war situation point of view, its still the best out there...but not as invisible and invincible as we are made to believe. But then again we are told some of its technology is secret so how can we judge what we do not know?
 

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