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Pakistan’s Jewish Doppelganger

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    JULY 24TH, 2014 8:41
    Pakistan’s Jewish Doppelganger
    By kkshahid

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    Pakistanis protesting against Israel’s aggression in Gaza

    A national security state, carved out in a British colony on the basis of a people’s religious identity following the culmination of World War 2, thanks to a 20th century ideological movement led by an apparently secular man, who had to deal with the clergy’s opposition to the creation of the state that has since relied on the US, its military and nukes for survival amidst constant insecurity and paranoia. Pakistan or Israel? We’ll let you decide.

    The similarities between Israel and Pakistan have been touched on by many a commentator. There, of course, are glaring differences as well, most notably in the respective paths that the two states have traversed since their inception. The parallels make for an intriguing study when one juxtaposes them with the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the overwhelming interest of the Pakistanis.

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    Demonstrators holding a placard during a protest against Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad

    When the lion’s share of the Pakistanis do not condemn global Islamist killings, most notably in Iraq and Syria, and virtually everyone remains shushed about the ongoing genocide against the Shia Muslims – one-fifth of Pakistan’s population – and the ethnic cleansing of the Baloch in the country’s largest province, but all hell breaks loose when people in Gaza die, obviously the outrage isn’t just about Muslims being killed. When ‘honour killings’, LGBTQ abuse and the barefaced apartheid against the ‘officially’ excommunicated Ahmaddiya Muslim sect are actually justified by the Pakistanis, condemning IDF’s aggression and Israeli settlements isn’t obviously about human rights. We’re just furious that it’s Jews killing Muslims.

    The double standards are even more conspicuous when one considers that unlike Islamist terrorism, Israeli aggression isn’t indiscriminate butchery. And this is where the Israel-Pakistan parallels come into the picture.

    Almost all of the Pakistanis that are castigating Israeli state’s action in Gaza are cheering on their military’s ongoing operation in North Waziristan, which has left a million people homeless. Putting the efficiency of the respective military operations aside, both the Israeli and the Pakistani forces are trying to protect their states from militant attacks from Hamas and the TTP respectively. Apart from the anti-Semitism, a Muslim-centric version of both domestic and global history that is spoon fed to us since birth, and the fact that Israel has intermittently occupied more land since 1948, the obvious distinction between the two is that Pakistanis acknowledge only one of the two state’s right to exist. This is despite the uncanny commonalities between the creation of Pakistan and its Jewish doppelganger.

    “So how would you feel if an outsider barges inside your house and takes over?” is often an inaccurately analogous question posed to condemn Israel’s creation that doesn’t do any justice to the complexity of the crisis and completely ignores the Arabs’ contribution to the issue’s exacerbation. And when it’s the Pakistanis who use this argument, after the creation of their country resulted in more ‘barging inside houses’ than any other event in the history of mankind, it obviously reeks of hypocrisy.

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    August 1947 – A refugee train on its way to Punjab, Pakistan

    That there is a multitude of similarities between Pakistani and Israeli inceptions, quite often depicting prodigiously larger scale of suffering in the former’s creation, means that Pakistanis questioning Israel’s existence quite often slash question marks over the raison d’etre of their own state. For no other state’s creation has resulted in a bigger mass migration than Pakistan’s. Around 700,000 Palestinians were displaced owing to Israel’s creation while Pakistan’s creation, as United India divided into India and Pakistan, left 20 times more people homeless – around 14 million, 7 million on either side. Pakistan’s creation led to around half a million deaths compared to the 25,000 that died in the immediate aftermath of Israel’s inception. Not to mention the fact that former president of Pakistan General Ziaul Haq supervised over the Black September operation in 1970 that led to the massacre of around 25,000 Palestinians in Jordon.

    If we are going by the argument that Israel ‘belongs’ to Palestinians, then by the same logic Pakistan would ‘belong’ to Indians. Both India and Palestine were under the British rule at the time of their partitions, and while there had been a sovereign entity called India before it became a British colony, there had never been a sovereign Palestine in human history, with the term only being used as a geographical expression. From the Ancient Egyptians’ rule to the Ottoman Empire before the British, Palestine had never been an independent entity.

    The counterargument presented is that the Hindus and Muslims were ‘already living there for centuries’, while the Jews were ‘shipped’ into Palestine from another continent. Unfortunately the Hindus and Sikhs that had to migrate to India, and the Muslims that had to migrate to Pakistan and modern day Bangladesh, hadn’t already been ‘living there for centuries’. Are the kilometres involved the only reason that migration from Warsaw to Tel Aviv is unfair, while one from Amritsar to Lahore is alright?

    Another counterargument is that the ‘European Jews’ weren’t the same people as the Palestinian Arabs, while the Indians and Pakistanis were one people. Ignoring the fact that both the Israelis and Palestinians share common hereditary roots, a lot of Arab and Central Asian invaders and every single proponent of the Pakistan movement would beg to disagree with the Indian Muslims and Hindus being peddled as the same people. The much touted Two-Nation theory was propagated, among others, by Pakistan’s founding father Muhammad Ali Jinnah who is on record as saying that the Hindus and Muslims had “nothing that linked them together”, and spent the entire decade leading up to Pakistan’s independence in 1947 highlighting the differences between the two religious communities. This has resulted in the majority of the Pakistanis considering themselves to be the direct descendents of the Arabs who invaded India. And hence, as they vociferously call for a Jewish exodus from Palestine, maybe they should consider moving back to Central Asia or the Arabian Peninsula.

    The city of Jerusalem has been usurped 44 times in the past four millennia by the followers of the three Abrahamic religions and the use of the argument by both sides that the land actually ‘belongs’ to them is one of the major reasons why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has become a never ending debate. This is precisely why none of the partition offers – from the 85% in 1937 (Peel Commission) to the 22% in 2001 – has been acceptable to the Arabs, because of their sense of entitlement over the entire Palestinian land.

    1946’s Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry had been designed to plan out a power sharing strategy once the British mandate expires in Palestine much like the Cabinet Mission Plan of the same year in India. Both the Committee of Inquiry and the Cabinet Mission vied to ensure that post British withdrawal neither of the two communities dominates over the other. This eventually led to the respective partition proposals, and while the Indians agreed to the creation of Pakistan – with both sides feeling hard done by – the Arabs vehemently opposed Israel’s inception, as the Arab military coalition invaded the Jewish state the very next day after its creation.

    [​IMG] It’s important to realise that people all over the world had to suffer the consequences of the Second World War, the global reshuffle and carving out of new boundaries, not just the Palestinians. Let’s not forget that while Pakistanis are touting casualties owing to Hamas’ open use of human shields as ‘genocide’, there is systematic ethnic cleansing of the Shia and the Baloch going on in Pakistan. And as we pray for those suffering the wrath of IDF’s military operation, there are a million IDPs awaiting our support in North Waziristan.

    None of this is to belittle the suffering of the Palestinians in the 1940s, or as things stand, but to highlight the collective hypocrisy of Pakistanis as we ignore both our present and our past while manifesting our anti-Israel venom. Just because time has relatively healed the scars of the Indian partition, and people have moved on, does not mean that it was any less painful for the sufferers than the Palestinian partition as that region continues to live in the 1940s. And just because our heart aches seeing Palestinian blood, does not mean that it should go numb when we witness Muslims eradicating other Muslims over sectarian differences.

    The writer is a Pakistan-based journalist. Email: khulduneshahid@gmail.com; Twitter: @khuldune

    Pakistan’s Jewish Doppelganger – Kunwar Khuldune Shahid - My Telegraph
     
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    What a load of baloney !

    Wait....achaa its that author !
     
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    Pakistanis date back to this land for 9000 years, we grew here, we are natives of this land who took 'our land' back from the British colonial thieves.

    Israelis are European migrants who were dumped in Palestine after the Christian Europe packed them in the gas chambers.

    Israelis are 'foreigners' to that land. They are NOT natives. They grabbed that land because they were better armed.

    Pakistan and Israel are not even close to being the same. We didn't occupy a land of other people, kicked them out of their lands, we don't besiege anyone, nor do we kill babies. This is only a European sport.
     
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    Whats the point of this article even? What similarity except the nations being founded on religion is there even? What is it about self-hating people looking for a new identity elsewhere?
     
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    Check his other articles - Especially the ones about Islam & Quaid-e-Azam !
     
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    My favorite "human-shields".

    The BBC's Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, has written, "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields."[149] The Independent reported that no Gazans have said "they had been forced by [Hamas] to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields", adding that "the outside is unaware of how small and confined the place is."[150] The Guardian reported as well that "claims [about Human Shields] have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza."[151]

    The assertions are also disputed by the Middle East and North Africa Director at Human Rights Watch, who said that "in most of the sites [that were bombed by Israel] we investigated so far (in this conflict) we found no valid military targets".[143]

    Amnesty International has reported in a statement that it "does not have evidence at this point that Palestinian civilians have been intentionally used by Hamas or Palestinian armed groups during the current hostilities to “shield” specific locations or military personnel or equipment from Israeli attacks".


    So, the Palestinians being killed is the fault of the Palestinian people suddenly? How deep is self-hatred and to what extent, the resulting useful idiots will go to justify/rationalize this?

    According to the Gaza Health Ministry, at least 1,376 Palestinians were killed and 7,677 were injured.[11] Among the dead were 315 children, 166 women,[46] and 50 elderly.[47] The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) estimated that 852 of those killed were civilians, of whom 384 were women or children.[6]

    and when the state of Pakistan actually confines the IDPs into an area, instead of warning them first, evacuating them to safe areas, providing shelter and other facilities for them in camps and starts to bomb them indiscriminately under the pretext of "self defense", you will be more than welcome to come seek a similarity with that too.
     
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    The jewish state is here to stay, so is pakistan..
    The only way these two states will go away if the people live there dont want a state for themselves. Not sure about pakistanis, but after holocust, no jew will ever trust a non jew / non jewish govt / non jewish country.
    The trust is broken forever, and many jews imagine that the world is out to get them. If I was jew, I dont think I would be any different.
     
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    Book shows similarities between Pakistan & Israel

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    Dr Faisal Devji talks to Young Leaders at Asia House

    21/11/13

    By Naomi Canton


    Pakistan is a nation founded on ideology rather than geographical links and in that way is very similar to Israel, an Oxford scholar has claimed in his latest book.

    Dr Faisal Devji’s book Muslim Zion: Pakistan as a Political Idea, explores how land does not define what either nation is.

    “We tend to think of nationalism in romantic ways as people connected by land or soil, or linked by blood or deep ties, but Pakistan does not have any of those things,” said Devji, University Reader in Modern South Asia at Oxford University, speaking at the Young Leaders Talk at Asia House this week.

    He pointed out that Pakistan was founded in 1947 as two parts, East and West Pakistan, separated by more than 1,000 miles of India. “There was no sentimental attachment to the land. Pakistan could have been anywhere,” he said.

    “If you look at the rhetoric of Muslim nationalism, there is no reference to the glorious Muslim past. Muhammad Ali Jinnah had no sense of history. He was a lawyer,” added Devji, who is also Director of the Asian Studies Centre at Oxford University.

    The comments he makes in his book are not the first time a comparison between Pakistan and Israel have been made. The Muslim nationalists campaigning for Pakistan had often compared themselves to Zionists, Devji told the Young Leaders.

    Pakistani school textbooks will quite often compare Israel and Pakistan

    “Pakistani school textbooks will quite often compare Israel and Pakistan as ideological states,” Devji added.

    The State of Israel was established as a homeland for Jews just a year after Pakistan was formed in 1947 as a homeland for Muslims.

    Devji insisted that his book did not label Pakistan or Israel as a success or failure but rather examined how both represented two very distinct logics and alternative models of nationalism. He said Israel and Pakistan were both “new world states” based on ideas and social contracts rather than blood, history and soil.

    He said in both countries too, the vision upon which the states were founded, was escaping the past rather than evoking it, which could also be seen in the founding of the Soviet Union and Liberia.

    Both Pakistan and Israel “rejected history and integrity to territory” and the idea of both countries was actually created outside of the countries.

    “The population that existed in Pakistan had little say in the construction of the idea and Israel was conceived by a Zionist movement outside,” he said.

    Further comparisons between the two could be seen in how Israel was a state for all Jews globally and Pakistan was meant to look after Muslims in India and elsewhere, Devji said.

    Categories of a Hindu majority and a Muslim minority fell apart in a country like British India in which Muslims, despite being classed as a minority, formed a majority in two parts of the vast country and their total numbers were huge, he said.

    ‘Muslims were an impossible minority’ in British India

    This made Muslims an “impossible minority” and Hindus an “impossible majority” in British India, he said.

    At the outbreak of World War II, Muslim leaders who had hitherto been keen for Muslim autonomy in India, suddenly abandoned their plans and came up with the idea of creating a new Muslim state.
    “Pakistan was formed at a time when nation states were in doubt, being knocked out by fascism and communism was emerging,” Devji said.

    During that period Pakistan’s founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah said things like The League of Nations was dead and that Muslims in British India could not rely on minorities being protected by international bodies, Devji said. Jinnah went on to say that the idea of federations was falling apart, referring to Yugoslavia, so we must go for a nation state, Devji added.

    “The idea behind Partition was to reduce the number of Muslims in India and to create Muslims as a majority in Pakistan,” Devi explained.

    Devji said that Jinnah had thought that once British India had been split, people would cease to ally themselves to their religions and instead political majorities and minorities would emerge.

    “Jinnah thought he was a realist but Gandhi said quite correctly that Jinnah was an idealist and theory could not resolve this historical existential problem,” Devji said.

    No one predicted the Partition riots

    According to Devji no one, neither Jinnah, Gandhi, Mountbatten, nor Nehru, predicted the bloody riots that accompanied Partition.

    He added that whilst Pakistan was founded as a Muslim state it was ironic that Jinnah proceeded to say in his famous 11 August 1947 speech: “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan.”

    Devji ended his talk pointing out another irony — that Jinnah’s grandson and most his siblings were still living in India today and Jinnah had never sold his house in Mumbai.

    The Asia House Young Leaders Programme has been created for individuals aged 21-40 to bring together the next generation of individuals who will take forward the relationship between Europe and Asia.

    Book shows similarities between Pakistan & Israel | Asia House

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    I now see that this topic has been covered before on PDF:

    Similarities between the founding of Israel and Pakistan
     
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    Where else seriously?

    @Armstrong Andaman and Nicobar Islands? Lakshadweep? :D
     
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    What ? :unsure:
     
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    Where else could have Pakistan existed? On Islands?
     
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    It was our land & we decided it as such ! :unsure:

    I don't see why every now & then some numb-nut comes up with one of these Origins of Pakistan 101' kinda articles; its not as if a few dozen other former colonies including the US has to justify why they were created or have the act of their creation endlessly deconstructed ?

    Besides most of the above two articles are BS....anyone who's ever bothered to study anthropology, looked at the results of the '46 elections or read something on the Pakistan Movement & the Zionist Movement can figure that out !

    For starters we didn't come from Europe with the Scripture in one-hand & a Rifle in the other exclaiming that this was our land & ours alone 'cause our great-great-great grandaddies may or may not inhabited these lands a few thousand years ago - We are the scions of this land & have been for thousands of years & if we in '47 decide what to do with our own home - Who the foOk is anyone to ask justification from me ?

    At any rate if comparisons are to be drawn then Northern Ireland, South Sudan, East-Timor etc. have more in common with us than Israel ever did - But are they questioned ? No....only a Country for Muslims conceived by Muslims gets to bask in the spotlight - FOoking hypocrites !
     
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    interesting read,,,,,
     
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    sure n pigs fly at mach 6.