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Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts.

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You took a potshot at the military, disguising it as a recall of a devastating attack on the nation, over a post that is meant to showcase our military power. Your political views are very well known. You really think you were subtle ???
Its seems truth is hurting but its truth
You took a potshot at the military, disguising it as a recall of a devastating attack on the nation, over a post that is meant to showcase our military power. Your political views are very well known. You really think you were subtle ???
 

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Pakistan should produce Military Transport plane in Pakistan. It's time we produce one helicopter one and one military transport plane in Pakistan. And as we repaired the AWAC on our own it's time we develop a AWAC system on our own. That could be less capable as other systems but it would be our own and we can with time learn and improve it.
 

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Rumors were that ZDK03s would be upgraded to KJ500 standards but no confirmation...

Further, same sources claimed that PAF is in talks with SAAB to upgrade Erieys to Global Eye but again no confirmation...


PS: This is the same source that claimed that PN will order 2 additional Damen OPVs based on the evaluation of 1st 2 ships....
Well that Damen ship news have come to be true so let see how much of other two about AWACS prove to be true
 

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Pakistan should produce Military Transport plane in Pakistan. It's time we produce one helicopter one and one military transport plane in Pakistan. And as we repaired the AWAC on our own it's time we develop a AWAC system on our own. That could be less capable as other systems but it would be our own and we can with time learn and improve it.

Agreed, the expertise availed should be utilized and not be lost.
The same mistake of the French submarine assembling experience is not to be repeated.
 

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Pakistan should produce Military Transport plane in Pakistan. It's time we produce one helicopter one and one military transport plane in Pakistan. And as we repaired the AWAC on our own it's time we develop a AWAC system on our own. That could be less capable as other systems but it would be our own and we can with time learn and improve it.
To locally produce something, you need a large requirement to distribute the high upfront cost of the manufacturing line (overhead).

In the best-case scenario, the PAF would order 32 medium-weight transport aircraft. That isn't nearly enough to absorb the production overhead. Rather, Pakistan would do better by joining the production supply chain of an existing aircraft, like the Embraer C390. If the PAF committed to 32 C390s over a period of 12-15 years, I'm sure Embraer would consider the possibility of sending a serious chunk of the production work to Pakistan.

Now, when it comes to helicopters, the best route might be to work with Turkey on the T625 and T629. This is a common platform with the same engine, rotor, and other high-value parts that can result in both a utility helicopter (T625) or attack helicopter (T629).
 

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To locally produce something, you need a large requirement to distribute the high upfront cost of the manufacturing line (overhead).

In the best-case scenario, the PAF would order 32 medium-weight transport aircraft. That isn't nearly enough to absorb the production overhead. Rather, Pakistan would do better by joining the production supply chain of an existing aircraft, like the Embraer C390. If the PAF committed to 32 C390s over a period of 12-15 years, I'm sure Embraer would consider the possibility of sending a serious chunk of the production work to Pakistan.

Now, when it comes to helicopters, the best route might be to work with Turkey on the T625 and T629. This is a common platform with the same engine, rotor, and other high-value parts that can result in both a utility helicopter (T625) or attack helicopter (T629).
Sir everything needs money and every thing needs new infrastructure but that should not stop us from doing it. Sooner or later we would have to do this. We have to start and slowly build up things. But they have to be started we can't keep delaying these matters. We are not that big country but we are not that small country also.
 

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Sir everything needs money and every thing needs new infrastructure but that should not stop us from doing it. Sooner or later we would have to do this. We have to start and slowly build up things. But they have to be started we can't keep delaying these matters. We are not that big country but we are not that small country also.
Exactly, and we can't afford to put money into something when we need to spend it elsewhere, like on the NGFA.
 

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Pakistan should produce Military Transport plane in Pakistan. It's time we produce one helicopter one and one military transport plane in Pakistan. And as we repaired the AWAC on our own it's time we develop a AWAC system on our own. That could be less capable as other systems but it would be our own and we can with time learn and improve it.
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Please think of economy of scales. How many military transport planes we will need. Unless you are suggesting a dual use platform which can see functioning in Civilian usage as well. Secondly how many helicopters do we really need . What are your outlays and what benefits are there in developing these technologies ourselves. We are talking of 2 simultaneous projects which will be exhaustive on our meagre resources, take 10-15 years to develop. Where will we get engines from? Understand that neither China, nor Russia or the US/EU will provide you with engines as these will impact on their sales. We simply do not have the industrial base, nor the need for such programmes. Look at China, their military plane is still not ready and widely used. And their need is much more than ours. What we can do is take it in stages with a country which has an ongoing project and invite 2-3 other participants with an interest in procuring this project. However demand for these platforms remains low so i dont know how many we will be able to build to make it economically viable. However, I am sure it is not an economically viable project for pakistan to go alone on.
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