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Hopefully metro will come to karachiMeanwhile in Karachi
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Govt is in historical cash crunch but seems year 3-4 will be year when federal govt will have something in its pockets to spend
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The bus service looks pretty good with heavy usage. I believe it was nawaz Sharif who initiated this .
So why so much dislike for him , he seems to be giving actual useful facilities to ordinary Pakistanis ? I believe he was responsible for the excellent motorways in Pakistan with daewoo in the 90s. He might be corrupt but Pakistan seems to get pretty good facilities with him incharge.
Let's face it 150 jf17s at 30 crore a pop , equals 4500 cr and might find no use before being scrapped. India is wary of the f16s , jf17 just make up the numbers. The bus and motorways seem to be a much sweeter use of scarce funds.
Horizontal expansion have failed in Lahore, with 80% of plots being empty on city limits. Now trend of living in relatively cheaper flats and closer to city center. And with it many of these old houses are being demolished for high rise apartments.Read in other thread about the Lahore surroundings from the Orange Metro not looking good, this Orange line Metro passes through the old city area, and are north east of Lahore a rather old congested area mostly, and the area around is lower middle to lower class, with some area with small factories and Iron forgeries and other small industries.
Rest of Lahore in area about 70% is well planned and developed, with green boulevards, good grid and symmetrical planning of housing estates. Lahore is a bit like Delhi the old area and the new areas divided and different.
Check this video of Mall road Lahore...
An investment that will require 13 billion rupees Subsidies every year ? No thanks. Instead what we need is vehicle checks and balance, ban on vehicles older then 2000 and Metro Busses connecting every major road in a city.Fantastic!
Other major cities should demand similar investment in their overall infrastructure and also public transport.
The reason is a mushroom growth of housing societies, now in hundreds around Lahore, initially they were catering to the rising demand of the city Lahore, but now reached a saturation point with agriculture land purchased cheaply and developed with roads and infra and sold for huge profit.Horizontal expansion have failed in Lahore, with 80% of plots being empty on city limits. Now trend of living in relatively cheaper flats and closer to city center. And with it many of these old houses are being demolished for high rise apartments.
So much love for Nawaz from across the border. I have an idea that can benefit us both.The bus service looks pretty good with heavy usage. I believe it was nawaz Sharif who initiated this .
So why so much dislike for him , he seems to be giving actual useful facilities to ordinary Pakistanis ? I believe he was responsible for the excellent motorways in Pakistan with daewoo in the 90s. He might be corrupt but Pakistan seems to get pretty good facilities with him incharge.
Let's face it 150 jf17s at 30 crore a pop , equals 4500 cr and might find no use before being scrapped. India is wary of the f16s , jf17 just make up the numbers. The bus and motorways seem to be a much sweeter use of scarce funds.
We do not have a proper Urban Planning ministry. Apartments are cropping up without calculating how traffic flow will be impacted in surrounding areas. Traffic in Lahore is unbearable. Not a day goes by when your STATIONARY car doesn't get hit by motorcycles. It has come to the point where I do not give an F anymore about body damage to my vehicle.Newer areas need to be developed with not just plots marked and with roads and utilities, need to be sustainable, independent towns with schools/colleges, office areas, CBD, central business districts and self sufficient, with no need to come to Lahore downtown.
The new trend as you mentioned need to be regularized and planned, otherwise big apt. blocks and Plazas on Gulberg boulevard, elsewhere will ruin the areas.
So much love for Nawaz from across the border. I have an idea that can benefit us both.
Why don't you take him and install him as PM so he can give "actual useful facilities" for ordinary Indians?
We do not have a proper Urban Planning ministry. Apartments are cropping up without calculating how traffic flow will be impacted in surrounding areas. Traffic in Lahore is unbearable. Not a day goes by when your STATIONARY car doesn't get hit by motorcycles. It has come to the point where I do not give an F anymore about body damage to my vehicle.
I disagree. People always say this about major infrastructure projects and in particular about public transit and rail. It is expensive yes, but the economic benefits associated with it are equally huge and very hard to quantify.An investment that will require 13 billion rupees Subsidies every year ? No thanks. Instead what we need is vehicle checks and balance, ban on vehicles older then 2000 and Metro Busses connecting every major road in a city.
Replicate this in every city.
It has nothing to do with CPEC routes. CPEC projects are far, far more diverse and important than a route from Gwadar to Kashgar, most of the infrastructure spending is nothing to do with the route. You're complaining about this. Ever wondered what the dams and power projects have to do with a route? CPEC is not just some highway for trucks to drag race from South to North, it is a huge portfolio of projects that includes trade networks, local public transport and railways, energy and water infrastructure projects and industrial developments and initiatives.We all understand orange train is never make a sense a part of cpec route and what type of benefit will get it .only it politically benefit to nawaz and shahbaz in punjab election.
It has nothing to do with CPEC routes. CPEC projects are far, far more diverse and important than a route from Gwadar to Kashgar, most of the infrastructure spending is nothing to do with the route. You're complaining about this. Ever wondered what the dams and power projects have to do with a route? CPEC is not just some highway for trucks to drag race from South to North, it is a huge portfolio of projects that includes trade networks, local public transport and railways, energy and water infrastructure projects and industrial developments and initiatives.
I wish people would learn about CPEC before passing such misguided judgement, you can start here to clear any misconception:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-china-economic-corridor-details-and-implications.372408/
It is was initially harvested for political gain but as the new Gov set new political tradition by successfully completing the projects of the previous governments and did not let any project falling victim to political differences. We all as pakistani appreciated it help our local people.It has nothing to do with CPEC routes. CPEC projects are far, far more diverse and important than a route from Gwadar to Kashgar, most of the infrastructure spending is nothing to do with the route. You're complaining about this. Ever wondered what the dams and power projects have to do with a route? CPEC is not just some highway for trucks to drag race from South to North, it is a huge portfolio of projects that includes trade networks, local public transport and railways, energy and water infrastructure projects and industrial developments and initiatives.
I wish people would learn about CPEC before passing such misguided judgement, you can start here to clear any misconception:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-china-economic-corridor-details-and-implications.372408/
That's your takeaway and/or counterargument? Credit goes to the current government for completing it and not politicizing it? Come on.It is was initially harvested for political gain but as the new Gov set new political tradition by successfully completing the projects of the previous governments and did not let any project falling victim to political differences. We all as pakistani appreciated it help our local people.
That's your takeaway and/or counterargument? Credit goes to the current government for completing it and not politicizing it? Come on.
Well, as long as we recognize the benefits of such projects and aren't needlessly disparaging them, then fine, I can't complain.