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  1. Owais

    Owais SENIOR MEMBER

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    Pakistani, Russian and Chinese firms sanctioned for Nuke supplies


    WASHINGTON (updated on: January 06, 2007, 10:28 PST): The United States announced sanctions on Friday against 24 foreign entities, including Russian, Chinese and North Korean firms, for allegedly selling banned weapons to Iran and Syria.

    The move drew a sharp protest from Moscow.

    Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboroneksport was among the highest profile firms hit by the measures, imposed under the 2005 Iran and Syria Non-proliferation Act.

    Three Chinese state-run companies, two other Russian firms and a Russian individual as well as entities from Iran, Sudan, Syria, Pakistan, Malaysia and Mexico were hit by the sanctions, published on Friday in the US Federal Register.

    The measures took effect as of December 28, a State Department official said. The government did not specify exactly what sales or transfers to Iran or Syria had prompted the punitive steps.

    The sanctions law, which dates back to 1999 for Iran and 2005 for Syria, bars US government dealings with companies, governments or individuals caught transferring missile technology, weapons of mass destruction of advanced conventional arms to the two countries.

    While the US measures are often largely symbolic, notably when they concern firms in countries such as North Korea, Iran and Syria, they can impact the international dealings of some firms and drew a sharp response Friday from the Russians.

    "The introduction of umpteen sanctions against us is a form of unfair competition targeting our company and all Russia," said Valery Kartavtsev, a spokesman of Rosoboronexport.

    Rosoboronexport was already hit with US sanctions in August for allegedly providing Iran with equipment that could be used in the development of weapons of mass destruction.

    Russian aircraft firm Sukhoi was also targetted by those measures, but the sanctions were lifted against the jetmaker in November after angry protests from Moscow.

    Kartavtsev told Russian television his company had doubled its arms exports over the past five years, notably with sales to lucrative markets in Latin America.

    He said Rosoboronexport adhered strictly to international and Russian law and had not yet received any official notification of the sanctions.

    The deputy chief of another group listed Friday, the Tula Bureau of Studies and Mechanical Construction, said: "Our high technology arms deliveries abroad are in strict conformity with Russian and international rules."

    Vassily Gryazev was quoted by ITAR-TASS news agency as saying the sanctions would only have symbolic value because his company had no business links with the US.

    Vladimir Pekhtin, Deputy Speaker of the Duma, or lower House in Moscow, said the real reason for the sanctions was that "the American administration is simply afraid of competition from Russian companies."

    The other Russian firm cited in the sanctions was the Kolomna Design Bureau of Machine-Building, while one individual, Alexey Safonov, was named without further information given.

    The targetted Chinese firms were China National Electronic Import-Export Company, China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Company and Zibo Chemet Equipment Company.
     
  2. lulldapull

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    All kinds of goodies are flowing into Tehran Owais....:lol:

    These hillbilly can't do jack ***** about it.:lol:

    Truth is that Russia and China are determined to make Iran their Fulcrum in the middle East. They are doing it via proxies, front companies and fake organisations, but the bottom line is that arms and technology is flowign rapidly to Iran.

    Any funny misadventure by these U.S. jokers or their British Lackeys......then they will get a destructive response....indirectly from Russia and China.;)
     
  3. Owais

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    well, a powerfull nuclear Iran is needed in order to maintain the balance of power in the region.;)
     
  4. GOD OF WAR

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    Nice !! any info about the Pakistani firm involved? my guess... Heavy Industries Taxila?!?! :P

    Wat kind of stuff could Pakistan possibly be giving to Iran wen she has China and Russia to bank upon? probably some logistic company for logistics support from china and or russia
     
  5. Owais

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    I think these are conventional weapons and spare parts of old US inventory that Iran possess.
    :)
     
  6. PakSniper

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    :yahoo: Good one U.S. loosers like they are going to listen to you., this just shows the U.S. pathetic state of affairs., like they are going to listen to the U.S. :rofl:
     
  7. Keysersoze

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    If it is flowing as rapidly as you claim why are they trying to pass off obsolete equipment as being technological breakthroughs? (rebuilt F-5's super-cavitation torpedo's or Zulfiqar tanks) I think maybe you should take a look at the current inventory of the Iranian army and air force.



    Iran's New Saegheh Fighter Enters Service

    There's been a bit of a kerfuffle in some quarters over the recent announcement by the Iranian news agency IRNA. It quoted the commander of the Iranian army General Attollah Salehi as saying their new indigeous Saegheh [DID: "thunder" or "lightning", reports vary] aircraft is "similar to the F-18 fighter jet, but it is more capable and has been manufactured domestically... designed, remodeled, optimized and made more capable by our engineers... no country has aided us in its production." Reports are also noting Iran's claim that it is developing a 5th generation "Shafagh" stealth fighter, oddly enough without appropriate laughter or ridicule.

    Readers may recall past Iranian claims re: "stealth" flying boats that obviously used stealth-killing propellers and other such nonsense. Perhaps we can help shed a more sober and reasoned light on this new development...

    The official FARS news agency article that touted the new aircraft as "more difficult to pick up on the radar systems compared with the normal version due to its higher maneuverability" was especially funny. The Saegeheh must be something special to be able to out-maneuver radar beams traveling near the speed of light.

    Risible claims aside, there is evidence that Iran has built a more effective domestic manufacturing base for aircraft and missile spares and modifications than they are commonly given credit for, in order to keep their existing fleet flying and armed. Readers may recall DID's citation of Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop's books "Iranian F-14 Units In Combat" and their more comprehensive but poorer publishing quality work "Iran-Iraq War in the Air 1980-1988," which provide information along these lines. Their original reporting re: Iran's ability to keep its F-14 fleet flying throughout the Iran-Iraq war and beyond, and adaptations like modifying US-made Hawk SAMS into air-air weapons, are useful indicators.

    The ability to modify and upgrade existing aircraft would be a natural development from that base. True indigenous production of the kind Iran is claiming, on the other hand, is a difficult endeavour indeed. Taiwan's experience with their **** fighters is instructive as a data point, and exemplifies the difficulties and trade-offs that even a more advanced nation with limited access to global suppliers faces. India's experience trying to develop its Kaveri engines for the HAL Tejas lightweight fighter is also worth pondering.


    Instead, the general consensus among more informed observers is that Iran's new fighter is a modified F-5E Tiger II fighter. the F-5E was an early 1970s era low-cost export fighter update of the 1960s-era F-5A fighter/ T-38 supersonic trainer, and it proved very popular with US allies. While Northrop Grumman's F-5 page doesn't mention Iran as an F-5 customer, the Shah's air force most certainly was.

    Twin tails, wings mounted above the intakes with the addition of leading edge strakes, and new avionics would appear to be the major modifications. The reports were careful not to tout new engines or the ability to fire medium-range missiles, for instance, and barring Russian assistance a radar that would be on par with even the AN/APG-65 of the 1980s vintage F/A-18As is highly unlikely.

    That last question is an important one, because the addition of the Kopyo radars to India's upgraded MiG-21 'Bisons', which allowed them to fire R-77/AA-12 "AMRAAMski" medium-range missiles, turned them into very effective interceptors when used in conjunction with AWACS assets during the COPE India exercises. The Sageheh, however, doesn't appear to reach even the level of its MiG-21 'Bison' contemporaries, let alone the bragged-of F/A-18.

    The real result would appear to be an F-5E fighter with slightly improved avionics and improved "low and slow" flight characteristics, but not much more. Iran's ability to modify and/or replace their F-5 E/F fighters and F-5B trainers is not entirely useless, as it will help them bolster their sagging force structure. Nevertheless, comparing the resulting aircraft to even an F/A-18A Hornet would appear to be just more of the usual bluster and overstretch as the clock ticks down on Iran's nuclear program and its leadership's subsequent plans.

    In other news, Iran is also boasting about developing a "2,000 pound guided bomb." DID would remind our readers that America was successfully using 2,000 pound GBU-10 Paveway laser-guided bombs in Vietnam against targets like the Doumer Bridge back in 1972.

    Addendum and Additional Reading

    DID recommends the Washington Institute of Near East Policy's December 2005 report by Fariborz Haghshenass for a serious analysis of Iran's two air forces (yes, TWO), which includes organizational/command issues as well as its equipment. Among other things, it clearly describes the Saegheh as "based on the F-5E, but has a twin vertical tail configuration to improve takeoff and maneuvering performance".

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/09/irans-new-saegheh-fighter-enters-service/index.php
     
  8. vnomad

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    Today Iran. Tomorrow Japan and South Korea. Day after tomorrow Saudi Arabia and UAE, and before you know it everyone's on the boat and the boat's starting to sink. Iran developing nuclear weapons just gets us one step closer to a global nuclear holocaust.
     
  9. Owais

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    I am talking about mideast region. Israel have about 200 nukes. so threat of nuclear holocaust will be more if israel remains only nuclear power. if iran becomes nuclear, then this threat will almost vanish because both opponents have nukes at that time so no one will dare to start nuclear war.
     
  10. Bull

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    Israel has Nukes for years now,which country in ME was threatened due to that.

    Pakistanis clapping their hands on Iran developing a nuke has to realise that Pakistan is closer to Iran than Israel.Iran emergence wol dundermine pakistans importance in Islamic world and increase the tensions too.
     
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    Bull thats everyone knows who is or to be threatened.
    Israel is already trying to keep some ME countries under its tab on one or other pretext, Only Iran is left that is showing muscels.


    Oh you mean India will succeed in persuing Iran to attack Pakistan or US will do the trick :P

    Well true but it dosnt mean we had to stop any country from acquiring Nukes.
    And most importantly Iran had to become Nuclear sooner or later so why we had to worry it will lessen our importance in the Islamic world.
    BTW the most of the Arab countries and ME Muslim States are driven by their own intrest so our status as Nuclear Muslim country dosnt matter to them and this importance has not benifited us at all so why not to Welcome Iran as another Muslim nuclear state.
     
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    Answer me.Who was threatened by Israel with nukes.

    Iran is no Pakistan that it decides what to do on wimps of a third party.

    Do u remember what your leaders use to call your nukes,the islamic bomb.Now there would be two holding it.

    ha ha joke of the year!!!
     
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    Do u think verbal threats are more important thn planned ones?



    hahahh oh yeh and Iran is also no India who decides to betray it for nuclear deal on wimps of a third party ;)


    BTW Bull are u next president of Iran who had decided to attack Pakistan :P

    :) Bull it was the media of those who was having some Chull :P (restlessness) over our nukes that had termed it Islamic bomb ahhhhhhhhh Islamo Phobics.
    Even if we did so what no problem having more Islamic countries with Bombs.
     
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    U still havnt answered me still.When did Israel threaten a ME country with nukes?


    betray it? Betray whom?


    :wall:


    Now eat this!!!

    "When New Delhi tested its first atomic bomb in 1974, Islamabad stepped up its own efforts. The late Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was then Pakistan's Prime Minister, warned that "we will eat leaves and grass, even go hungry" to build the country's own weapon. "There's a Hindu bomb, a Jewish bomb and a Christian bomb," Bhutto once wrote. "There must be an Islamic bomb."

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920461-1,00.html
     
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    Well...its called future planning Jana, and it was in the national interest.

    India has a VERY VERY VERRY low amount of natural uranium, good for about 10,000MW's ONLY. That is very low. If we dont get this deal, our nuclear program would be useless till the time we develop technology to run reactors properly and efficiently on Thorium. We have 25% of the worlds thorium reserves.

    So it was smart planning by the government. What good is rhetoric when our nuke plants would shut off, producing no electricity and no bombs. We needed this deal. With it, we are free to divert our own Uranium for nuke research and bombs, our Fast Breeder Reactor being in research and construction.
    While for electricity, we can buy it off the international market. Even all this is temporary, the main thing being that all sanctions are lifted, and our in-house nuke RnD would get a huge boost from this. And whenever any country designs an efficient thorium nuke reactor, all we have to do is buy it, and then we have tech as well as fuel.

    So its not sell out, its strategic future planning.