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Pakistani ICBM

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  1. Fawadqasim1

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    We need again5 type capability not to hit some target 8000km away but it will help us evade future Indian abms(ADD s500 and thaad to the list in next 10 years)it will give us a
    Higher apogee hence higher speeds and heavier payloads better mirv more penaids and so on.
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    1. ICBM are very expensive to develop and maintain; billions of USD needed.

    2. Ababeel prototype indicate a remarkable leap in Pakistani ballistic missile capabilities, but just a single test is far from conclusive: https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ababeel/

    Not sure when (2.) will achieve maturity.

    Pakistan's nuclear forces (2018) at a glance: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2018.1507796

    Now that WE have come this far, WE should continue to advance our defense-related options further, but WE need to be realistic in our views and expectations as well. ICBM + MiRV + PENAIDS = a bit early to tout about this level of prowess in our case.

    Pakistan's most pressing concerns are terrorism and a dysfunctional economy. India's strategy is to ensure Pakistan remain mired in these problems (4th generation warfare) and unable to transition into a developed country and have a credible shot at outgunning India in R&D programs and defense-related matters.

    Equation of innovation:-

    Strong Economy + Applied Sciences = Productive nationals + Industries + R&D programs = Desired outcomes

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    I hope India does not receive S-500 and THAAD systems in the near future, but if this happen, then God help us.

    S-500 is Russia's first true mobile BMDS and a major leap from S-400 in all aspects. Let us see how it will turn out in the end.

    THAAD is already capable of neutralizing very long range ballistic missiles and distinguishing actual warheads from potential countermeasures (PENAIDS). THAAD can also be optimized to defeat HGV types (rumored but not publicized yet).

    FYI: https://theaviationist.com/2017/07/...t-over-the-pacific-ocean-during-a-thaad-test/

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    Intercept envelope of THAAD is massive - greater than that of Israeli Arrow-3 and Russian S-500.

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    Related information in this discussion: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/after-s-400-more-contracts-on-the-way-rosoboronexport.580579/page-4

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    There are different ways to contend with a long-term adversary. WE should concentrate on surprising India at micro-levels via breakthroughs in the domains of AI, Hacking, Sensor systems, Drones/Robotics, PENAIDS, Engines, Stealth and War-fighting strategies in general. But refer to the 'equation of innovation' above.

    Nevertheless, continuous arms-race can be a major source of drain on the economic viability of any country and it is wise to seek resolution of outstanding disputes at some point. I am not sure for how long this madness will continue but one of the countries might BLINK at some point and the possibility of a major tragedy cannot be ruled out. God help us.
     
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    What is ICBM?
     
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  5. The Deterrent

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    Both short and long (intermediate) range counters to Indian BMD developments are in the works.

    Pakistan's development of its nuclear and ballistic missile arsenal will remain reactive to India's efforts of destabilizing the strategic balance of MAD in the region. Pakistan will not pursue intercontinental or very high throw-weight capable systems.
     
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  7. TeesraIndiotHunter

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    Any plans for consolidating Pakistani missile forces against indian threat?

    What I mean is, any plan of building true second strike capability with more powerful/longer range/bigger warheads nuclear cruise missiles or may be SLBMs with 1000km-2000km range even?

    I am not under any delusions like other fan boys about us building any "US deterring" ICBM program (lol at even the idea!)----However, I don't see much progress towards proper defence against indian threat as well. Pakistan's long range systems are still not adequate to cover indian military installments completely from Western depths of Pakistan. Won't you say Pakistan needs 3500km to 4000km weapon system similar to Ababeel/Shaheen III to properly cover indian landmass in case of all out war?

    Our current inventory won't reach indian bases in the Eastern-most parts of india unless we fire our missiles from extremely close proximity to our eastern international borders----which will leave us exposed militarily during any war effort concentrated on our Eastern borders.

    Surely, Pakistani planners don't plan to launch nuclear missiles under heavy indian artillery fire?
     
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    3500,4000 KM range BM are not needed Shaheen- III can cover every inch of India fired from Middle of Pakistan (Attock, Sarghoda, Sakker/Sibbi) can reach Andaman and Nicobar island of India in Bay of Bengal, if we consider your condition is true then we haven't SAMs/ and radars that covers these strategic Shaheen III TeLs @TeesraIndiotHunter :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::crazy::crazy::crazy:
     
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    S3 won't reach Nicobar Islands if fired from inland Pakistan. You are wrong.

    Try again
     
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    it can be reach from middle of Pakistan Nicobar island every respected defense site told that, if it is fired from our Eastern border it well protected by our SAMs, RADARs/PAF. and so what is the problems, and do research before you can posts here on PDF @TeesraIndiotHunter :blah::blah::blah:
     
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  11. TeesraIndiotHunter

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    :rofl:

    Your baby-like responses definitely show who really needs to do "research".....

    Stop replying to me. Thank you.
     
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    You're troll, look at you negative rating of 15 and only have posts of 600, i am did and doing lots of research on these subjects and how do you consider that Shaheen III TeLs doesn't cover by SAMs RADARs and PAF fighter jets along the borders in case of full fledged war with India Keep barking baseless @TeesraIndiotHunter
     
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    Babur-3 and follow-on SLCMs will form the majority of the submersible second-strike component. SLBM-based capability is unlikely at the moment, as it depends on the platform. We'll have to see how the "indigenous" nuclear sub project turns out.

    You're correct about Shaheen-III's inability to strike Andaman & Nicobar Islands from a considerable standoff distance. Pakistan has a requirement of a 4000km range system (both for range and ABM evasion), which can be (relatively) quickly developed by modifying Shaheen-III. Political go-ahead is the factor here, as it would make our friend in the West a bit uneasy. Shaheen-III was restricted to an exact 2750km for a reason.

    However, A&N are a secondary threat given the induction of IN SSBNs.
     
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  14. TeesraIndiotHunter

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    Well in that case, hopefully we will see improvements in range and increased payload capacity for our SLCMs.

    Yes, as I also wrote above....Pakistan definitely needs a 3500-4000km range system to effectively counter indian threat.

    In regards to uneasiness of our friends: 4000km won't threaten any major European capital. So why the unease? You can barely reach shores of Greece with 4000km range (if that!). Israel is already covered even with 2750km range. So what would be different to cause the unease?

    Or the mere fact of any improvement in current Pakistani capability causes "concerns" to our "friends"?

    Quite Worrying
     
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    There is no use with depressed trajectories you guys got.
    The altitude is entire thing here. Longer range missile won't evade Indian systems but a lofted trajectory can.

    Officially, India can intercept ballistic objects of even small size moving at speed of Mach 10 at an altitude of 1200km.
    It can even neutralize MIRV of all existing ballistic missiles in world.