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Pakistan will be most impacted by US, NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan: Senior US military commander

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Let's start with whether Pakistan was able to act in its own interest during either or both or neither of these time periods. It might give an idea of what might happen in this third era beginning after the US withdrawal.
Is there prospect of 'sanctions' post withdrawl?
Because all i can see is relation between two former allies are on downward spiral since long now and with new admins in DC,I fear that it may happen.
 

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The US will use its proxies to destabilise Pakistan through terrorism but as taliban free up Kashmir and Americas darling India will be in our cross hairs
Why would taliban free up kashmir for you? What will they get in exchange?

Also, if your professional, motivated, well-trained PA can't do it, how can rag tag taliban do it?
 

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I am sure Pakistan will choose wisely to best serve its national interests, whatever it decides.
The prime reason for USA failure in afghanistan was confusing PAK AFG issues with India china issues

By giving leverage and free hand to india and it proxies it forced pakistan to change sides.

This along with refusal to talk in mid 2000s with taliban essentially steered a victory in afghanistan to an epic failure
Loool the 1st time Pakistan tried it took half of Kashmir....azad Kashmir
I would still consider that as a failure
Had we kept course all kashmir could have been taken..
 

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Is there prospect of 'sanctions' post withdrawl?
Because all i can see is relation between two former allies are on downward spiral since long now and with new admins in DC,I fear that it may happen.
There is ebb and flow of relationships in international geopolitics constantly. Both countries involved here will make their own determinations on how to best pursue their national interests, with or without sanctions, after considering the pros and cons of each situation. Pakistan may conclude that it can withstand any potential damage caused by sanctions with the help of its new supporters. Or USA may conclude that it loses more by sanctioning Pakistan than by trying to work with it.

Loool the 1st time Pakistan tried it took half of Kashmir....azad Kashmir
That is true, but I was referring to the 21st century mainly.


The prime reason for USA failure in afghanistan was confusing PAK AFG issues with India china issues

By giving leverage and free hand to india and it proxies it forced pakistan to change sides.

This along with refusal to talk in mid 2000s with taliban essentially steered a victory in afghanistan to an epic failure
Yes, now that Pakistan has defeated USA, the next steps taken by both countries will be important.
 

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There is ebb and flow of relationships in international geopolitics constantly. Both countries involved here will make their own determinations on how to best pursue their national interests, with or without sanctions, after considering the pros and cons of each situation. Pakistan may conclude that it can withstand any potential damage caused by sanctions with the help of its new supporters. Or USA may conclude that it loses more by sanctioning Pakistan than by trying to work with it.



That is true, but I was referring to the 21st century mainly.




Yes, now that Pakistan has defeated USA, the next steps taken by both countries will be important.
You send a million men to the border. Your soldiers killed each other. Not a single incident on our side. Then you tucked tail and ran home again.
kargil...we are still holding peaks
Feb 27....*** whooping

Am I missing anything

Anything else that I am missing in the 21st century
 

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You send a million men to the border. Your soldiers killed each other. Not a single incident on our side. Then you tucked tail and ran home again.
kargil...we are still holding peaks
Feb 27....*** whooping

Am I missing anything

Anything else that I am missing in the 21st century
No, you are doing everything perfectly. Please carry on as you wish. The costs for past actions will continue to accrue as they have been.
 

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There is ebb and flow of relationships in international geopolitics constantly. Both countries involved here will make their own determinations on how to best pursue their national interests, with or without sanctions, after considering the pros and cons of each situation. Pakistan may conclude that it can withstand any potential damage caused by sanctions with the help of its new supporters. Or USA may conclude that it loses more by sanctioning Pakistan than by trying to work with it.



That is true, but I was referring to the 21st century mainly.




Yes, now that Pakistan has defeated USA, the next steps taken by both countries will be important.
Eh? When did pakistan defeated usa?
 

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Many years ago, but USA announced its departure only now after the realization of its defeat sunk in at the White House. Clearly.
Its a partial defeat. USA successfully crushed Al-Qaeda and succeeded in spreading turmoil in the ME. It was unable to defeat the Taliban and floundered trying to nation build.
 

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Its a partial defeat. USA successfully crushed Al-Qaeda and succeeded in spreading turmoil in the ME. It was unable to defeat the Taliban and floundered trying to nation build.
That wasnt the objective ..it never tried
The objective was to spend a hell lot of tax payer money making several people rich in the process

Otherwise we would have seen eridcation of poppy and construction of atleast the ring road and tax free acess to usa market..all that were proposed and struck down

You can see the movie "war machine"..though only gives u a very small glimpse of the problem
 

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