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    Pakistan using ‘thermal suits’ to dodge night-vision devices
    On May 18, BSF man was shot from close range


    New Delhi, May 22

    Security agencies have flagged a new strategy of Pakistan personnel wearing “thermal camouflage suits” to avoid detection by Indian night-vision devices, a design adopted by them to kill a BSF man along the border in Jammu and Kashmir amid the recent spate of ceasefire violations.

    The “disturbing” first-time instance, officials said quoting an electronic surveillance report, has rattled the top commanders responsible for ensuring security along the International Border and the unfenced Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

    Constable Sitaram Yadav (28) of the 192nd battalion of the Border Security Force, manning a forward post along the IB in the RS Pora region, was shot with a precise close-range aim either by a militant or a special service group (SSG) trooper around 1.30 am on May 18, they said.

    Official sources said grievously injured Yadav was evacuated by two other BSF men present in a nearby post but he later succumbed to his bullet wound that he took in his left eye.

    The BSF commanders initially believed the constable was killed by sniper fire from across the border. However, a close scrutiny of the local hand-held thermal imager (HHTI) showed that a grained black shadow-like movement takes place on the monitor and it comes very close to the BSF post and fires a shot, that is suspected to have hit the jawan leading to his killing, they said.

    The worry is that the HHTI, deployed in the border areas for night vision and surveillance, could not clearly pick up the black shadow of an approaching man as he might be wearing a “thermal camouflage suit” that insulates the body heat of a person, they said.

    The HHTI picks up body heat signatures of a living being — a human or an animal — and creates a silhouette that helps the security forces to check infiltration bids and attacks on their posts in the dead of the night.

    “The electronic surveillance of the incident is being analysed and nothing can be ruled out. It could be a new camouflage overall that the Pakistan side is using to take a close aim and hit Indian troops at the border or it could also be an indigenous way of wearing a wet-sack like clothing to evade the HHTI radar,” a senior officer in the security establishment said.

    He added that this “menacing stealth operation” carried out either by militants, the SSG or Pak regulars was worrying and was being investigated.

    Commanders rattled
    • The first-time use of “thermal camouflage suits” has rattled the top commanders responsible for ensuring security along the International Border and Line of Control
    • BSF commanders initially believed the constable was killed by sniper fire from across the border. However, a close scrutiny of the local hand-held thermal imager showed that a grained black shadow-like movement takes place on the monitor and it comes very close to the BSF post and fires a shot, that is suspected to have hit the jawan leading to his killing, they said — PTI
     
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    already posted...
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    famous last word!
     
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    leaving 30K dead indians with THIS end result:
     
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    Victories come with absolute sacrifice.

    They didn't fail the nation even though they lost their lives.
     
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    :woot:
    didn't fail your nation???? you call THIS a success? n!gga, we still control the highest peak in that region! :omghaha: if you call that a success then you are smoking some dangerous afghan hashish dude!!!
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    Well, I don't take Afghan stuff unlike you. :D The largest user in the world.

    Secondly, we captured point. P!gga we will control point 5310:enjoy: save it.
     
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    you "will" capture this, you "will" capture that, you "will" control this", you "will" control that, blah blah...

    stop barking and start acting! capture kar kay to dikhao na...bhonk na band kar aur kuch kar kay dikha!
     
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    We already captured point 5310 in April, 2000 itself which by the way, used to be on your side of the LC!!Oh and it doesn't stop there my friend, this peak actually dominates the entire Kabutar bowl which is the only way supply your precious point 5353, which was never physically occupied by the Indian Army to begin with since the peak actually sits on your side of the LC!!I bet you didn't know that, did you kiddo?? Ab haske dikha khotye!! :D

    There are several factual inaccuracies in your post.For example, there is no question of 'still' occupying it.As if it was ever in Indian occupation to begin with!!No!!It was always on your side of the LC and hence the question of of Indian Army having ever occupied that feature at any given point and at the same strecth your army having had wrested control of it from us doesn't even arise!!
    Secondly, contrary to popular beliefs, point 5353 is not the highest feature of the region, no.That title goes to a peak 5608 instead in the neighboring Kakasar sector, which by the way used to be on your side as well before the shit show called Kargil happened and which puts a large stretch of Palawar- Bunyal road to direct Indian observation and can be subjected to artillery bombardments pretty much at our will, if you ever try to finger us from 5353.
    So as you can see, the odds are far from one sided as the sheep like you have been led to believe!!
    This is why critical thinking is such important, the lack of which might turn you into a laughing stock of everyone.

    PS - You guys lost the Kargil conflict (just as you did in all the previous confrontations) and quite utterly at that, just accept it and move on.It ain't even funny anymore.
     
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    Lets recount, what Pakistan has lost to India, since India and Pakistan began fighting.

    1) The State of Jammu and Kashmir - When Indian forces entered the war, Pakistan forces were in Srinagar, now they stand hundred miles west.

    2) Entire East Pakistan, an area of 150,000 square kilometes.

    3) 80,000 square kilometers of land area on Siachen Glacier.

    4) 140 Peaks it captured in Kargil, now it holds but one.

    Now compare that 1 peak, few square kilometers in area, that Pakistan holds.
     
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    Even that is giving way too much credit to these folks as this mythical 5353 actually sits west of the LC!!So in essence, they never captured anything, at least as far as Google maps is concerned.... lolzz!!And by the way, 5353 has almost zero strategic significance as far its domination capabilities of the NH1 is concerned as a mere 500 meter stretch of the highway is visible from that position which is more than 11 km away!!Good luck hitting anything that moves.
    So all this was for nothing really.They lost a lot more than they gained, again.
     
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    @Osiris,
    Lets recount, what Pakistan has lost to India, since India and Pakistan began fighting.

    1) The State of Jammu and Kashmir - When Indian forces entered the war, Pakistan forces were in Srinagar, now they stand hundred miles west.
    Wah, what a typical indian twist. I'm not surprised. when that ruler of kashmir signed it over to kashmir, he sign over all of it. Your forces tried repeatedly to back AJK numerous times in 1948 and failed miserably at it. As a result, AJK is a glaring example of your defeat that stares at you in the face every day. but this is the typical indian response when they are defeated...:lol:


    2) Entire East Pakistan, an area of 150,000 square kilometes.
    big whoop! So we were in the middle of a civil war against the majority of Pakistan and you help them along, as if we were gonna be able to win against east Pakistan anyway since they were nearly 60% of both Pakistans combined!

    3) 80,000 square kilometers of land area on Siachen Glacier.
    Well possess that one critical pass where we can cause an avalanche taking your entire force over there while not touching us at all. Thanks to our idiotic politicians who are hell bent on showing the world that they are oh so peace loving! And besides, gusts to point 5353, we can choke your sole supply route at will and take it over and we will once uncle sam leaves afghanistan stay tuned.

    4) 140 Peaks it captured in Kargil, now it holds but one. Now compare that 1 peak, few square kilometers in area, that Pakistan holds.
    Brilliant strategy that at the cost of 3000 of our casualties, we made india suffer 30000 casualties in trying to take back smaller worthless peaks only to give up when it came to the biggest peak there.

    Read it and weap, it's from one of your own...
    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2000/08/11/stories/14115502.htm

    Pakistan still occupies key Drass point





    Praveen Swami

    DRASS, Aug. 10

    PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5,353 metres, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the official end of the Kargil war. At least some of them must had wry smiles on their faces, for although peak 5,353 metres is inside the Indian side of the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani troops held the mountain through the Kargil war and continue to do so today.

    Artillery observers on peak 5,353 metres can direct accurate artillery fire on to up to 20 km of the National Highway 1A, and cripple Indian defensive positions from Mushkoh to Bhimbet. Indian troops are being forced to compensate for this tactical blunder by engaging in a series of operations in the Batalik sector.

    Pakistani occupation of point 5353 means Operation Vijay's core objective in Drass, securing the highway,
    in effect failed. Officials in New Delhi attempt to argue that point 5353 is in an ambiguous location on the Line of Control, and that there are two peaks of the same height which are being confused, claims debunked by copies of the Army's own maps which are in Business Line's possession. (typical indian government's twist to make a fool out of its own people)

    Senior Army commanders in Drass are just as evasive. Asked if Pakistan was indeed in occupation of the peak, 8 Mountain Division Commander Major General Satnam Singh replied that it was ``too early to say''. Asked again, Gen. Singh said he would ``provid e authentic information'' during this correspondent's "next trip'". The strange story of peak 5353 began with the end of Operation Vijay, and the proclamation of a national triumph at Kargil. (
    What can I say except a hearty :omghaha: at your own senior military commanders who ate dodging around and hiding behind words to hide their own shameful defeat and ineptitude)

    Point 5353, like the features around it, had been occupied by Pakistani troops at the start of the Kargil war.
    Indian soldiers, however, were nowhere near its summit when hostilities were pronounced to have ended. All that had been achieved was the occupation of two secondary positions on the Marpo La ridge line, Charlie 6 and Charlie 7. (Yeah, you only managed to secure 2 pathetic little posts after sacrificing 30000 of your lives) Pakistani troops also remained on point 5240, some 1,200 metres as the crow flies from point 5353. 56 Brigade Commander Amar Aul, in charge of the operations to secure point 5353, responded by occupying two heights on the Pakistani side of the LoC, 4875 and 4251, just before the ceasefire came into force. (big deal, point 5353 directed artillery can take out those posts at will, they are at our mercy).

    Com. Aul's tactics, evidently under political pressure to bring about as quick an end to hostilities as possible, were designed to secure a subsequent territorial exchange. In mid-August, 1999, his efforts to bring about a deal bore fruit. Extended negotiations between the Brigadier and a Pakistani interlocutor, who called himself Colonel Saqlain, led to both sides committing themselves to leave points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875 unoccupied.

    Both Indian and Pakistani troops were now pulled back to their pre-Kargil position, leaving an arial distance of about a kilometre between the armies along most of the Marpo La ridge. The deal wasn't ideal, for point 5353 was of enormously more strategic importance to India than either 4251 or 4875 were for Pakistan, but it was better than nothing. (
    So you geniuses event emptied whatever little you had gained, morons! :omghaha:)

    Towards the end of October, things began to go horribly wrong. Commander Aul tasked the 16 Grenadiers to take point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles to occupy 5353, choosing to violate the August agreement rather than risk the prospect that Pakistan might reoccupy these positions again. While the 16 Grenadiers attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons which are still not clear, never made their way up 5353. When Pakistani troops detected the Indian presence on 52 40, they promptly launched a counter assault on 5353. Seven days later, in early November, the Grenadiers unit on 5240 watched Pakistan take up positions on the more important peak. (
    bas, parh liya? ab shup kar kay bsith jao).

    Pakistan moved rapidly to consolidate its position on 5353. Concrete bunkers came up on the peak, and a road was constructed to the base of the peak from Benazir Post, Pakistan's most important permanent position in the area. In the meanwhile, Commander Aul considered plans to retake the peak. He didn't have much choice. India's positions on 5240 were under threat, along with positions of the 2 Naga in Mushkoh, the 2 Grenadiers in Drass, and the 8 Sikh in Bhimbet. (
    yeah, they are at our mercy like sitting ducks) Offensives were discussed in January and February this year, and again in May and August, but had to be abandoned each time because of the risks involved. (in other words, you cowards CHICKENED OUT)!

    With 5353 and its adjoining area now linked by road to Pakistan's rear headquarters at Gultari, and defensive positions heavily fortified, any frontal attack would mean a full-blown resumption of hostilities in Drass.

    The Army's tactics in Kargil now appear to centre around forcing a territorial swap for 5353. The worst of the fighting has come in the Batalik area, to the east of Kargil, where Indian troops have been ordered to take any unoccupied positions they disco ver on the Pakistan side of the LoC.

    In one such operation on April 8, a company of the 14 Sikh Regiment occupied point 5310, an unheld peak roughly one kilometre air distance on the Pakistan side of the LoC. Subedar Bhatnam Singh and one soldier were killed in an avalanche during the operation.
    (so you didn't win it, it was already unoccupied since it is not strategically or tactically important and is surrounded by higher peaks).

    Pakistan retaliation has been prompt. On the night of July 27, a group of 24 porters and four soldiers carrying material for an offensive from Gol Tekri to Rock Fall, facing the key Chorbat La range, were ambushed by Pakistani troops or irregulars. One porter was killed, and three are still missing, presumed dead. There is little doubt that the Pakistani ambush was laid deep in Indian territory from Kalashnikov empties,
    (so we went inside your territory AGAIN and took up the adjacent peaks, oh well, so much for your claim of point 5310 :omghaha:) with a short range, were recovered from the ambush site. The incident followed the destruction, in May, of a new Pakistani post with a shoulder-held missile. (oh hey, congrats, you finally succeeded in destroying a post in kargil :lol:)

    While the Union Government's propaganda on the Kargil War has allowed it to score propaganda points, the end of the conflict is, clearly, not quite yet in sight.

    (typical crooked indian government lying to its people about this nonexistant "vijay")!


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    And I find it interesting gust you didn't mention 1965...is it because the problems you face today in kashmir started with that war? :lol:

    Now, lemme guess, the writer is a communist and anti government against bjp congressi, right? :disagree:

    @Omega007 lay tu bhi parrh lay! FACE IT...YOU LOST IN KARGIL!!!8-)
     
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