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Pakistan Urges US to Refrain From Attacking Iran

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  1. Simurgh

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    Unfortunately we have an abundance of cuckolds in pakistan who care about every sh1thole country around them for various reasons and doctrines. The only country that doesn't matter to them is pakistan itself.
     
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    Top Ten differences between the Iraq War and Trump’s Proposed Iran War
    JUAN COLE05/15/2019

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    1. Iraq is 168,754 mi² and Iran is 636,400 mi²; that is, Iran is geographically 3.77 times bigger than Iraq, almost 4 times as big.

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    2. Iraq’s population when invaded was 26 million. Iran’s population today is 81 million.

    3. General Eric Shinseki testified before Congress prior to Bush’s invasion that based on the US military’s experience in the Balkans, 800,000 troops would be needed to provide security to Iraq. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld insisted on 100,000 troops, wrongly believing he could pull them out in 6 months. Bush’s viceroy in Iraq, Paul Bremer, later admitted that “we never had enough troops” in Iraq.

    4. Since Iran is 3 times as populous as Iraq, by Shinseki’s correct calculation, the US would need 2.4 million troops to occupy Iran.

    5. The US total military personnel count is about 2,141,900, of whom 1, 281,900 are active duty and the rest reservists.

    6. Iraq’s army was a conventional military force with four powerful tank divisions, which the US Air Force turned to black carbon dust. The US only ran into trouble when Iraqis opposed to the invasion turned to guerrilla tactics, which the US never was able to deal with effectively.

    7. Iran can already mobilize at least 1.5 million paramilitary “Basij” forces for guerrilla warfare. This is in addition to over 500,000 active duty military personnel.

    8. Iraq was largely ruled by a small Sunni minority of perhaps 17% of the population. Iran is ruled by the Shiite majority that makes up 90% of the population. That Iraq had a minority government allowed the Bush administration to make friends in the majority Shiite community by putting them in power. This step alienated and angered the Sunnis, but they were a minority and so could not do much about it. In Iran, the Shiite majority would mount a massive struggle against the US invaders.

    9. Bush found international allies for his war on Iraq, including Britain and Spain. No one in Western Europe would join Trump in a war with Iran, making the US isolated and causing it to look like a unilateralist bully.

    10. Whereas Iraq’s allies– Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia in particular– had been mauled by Saddam and so did not strongly oppose Bush’s invasion, Shiite Iraqis, many Syrians, the Hazaras of Afghanistan, and the some 40 million Shiites of Pakistan would support Iran.



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    PBS Newshour: “U.S.-Iran tensions continue to rise after apparent attacks, military deployments”



    https://www.juancole.com/2019/05/differences-between-proposed.html
     
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  3. LeGenD

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    Taliban will never get to Kabul with force for as long as American troops are stationed there. Mark my words. Taliban is negotiating a political endgame with US for this very reason alone and they have assured US of not supporting foreign elements in exchange for American withdrawal which will happen after the deal.
     
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    If these are your views you know nothing about war structure of Iran and US war doctorin. Iran works on IRGC war structure. Where as US works on business base foreign policy war structure. Iranian structure is best to defend it's country with IRGC as core body. Where as us foreign policy war based structure uses air Force as tool with navy as logistical support. In the end USAF and IRGC will deal each other least damage and Iran will play Kabul game.
     
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    Just like your IMF predictions came true - wishful thinking on your part. There is much beneath the waves you are overlooking because you are utterly sold to Iran and Taliban being infallible allies - you 'are' naive, my friend.

    Taliban are only strong in Afghanistan; they cannot challenge US and nor have any interest in challenging US in foreign lands. Taliban's fight is for its very survival and legitimacy in Afghanistan, nothing more.
     
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    What an interesting war "doctorin". Please do elaborate on this.
     
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    Lol
    If I speak the truth I am sold?
    My IMF prediction came true Pakistan spent a whole fiscal year without IMF loan and still the IMF money has not yet arrived into Pakistan. In the same way USA will fail in Iran war because Afghanistan is not in control of USA. Why did USA came into Afghanistan in the first place? Do you remember? To fight terrorism and now you are saying there will be deal with Taliban so what happened to word terrorist?
     
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    @xyxmt @LeGenD
    You are both right. But what @xyxmt is saying is not wrong. India might definitely covertly try to take over Iran's Sistan and Baluchistan Provence during the chaos or after Iran is destroyed to create a Baloch state with an army to forever threaten Pakistan, Similar to what US did in northern Syria with Kurds to threaten Turkey.
     
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    We want peaceful solution in Iran. As a neighbor, war will effect us too.
     
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    Business: sell weapons to middle East
    Base: keep military bases in foreign countries
    Foreign policy: contain countries with sanctions.
     
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    All in the pursuit of national interests, just like any other country. There is nothing special about that at all.
     
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    The way I see it. Iran bahana, Pakistan nishana.

    They yanks in afghni land planned to target Pakistan and unfortunately it didn't go as plan because the talib put an end to those plans!

    However I see this as another attempt to destabilise the region which WILL affect Pakistan.
     
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    BBC is in full propaganda mode. I just watch the UK channel, they are portraying US acting against ‘Iranian threats’ without any evidence whatsoever.

    I do feel sorry for Iran - one year ago they were peacefully implementing the nuclear deal. Israel ripped up the deal through puppet Trump - now they portray Iran as ‘aggressor’. This is how easy it is for Western media to change narrative.
     
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    It looks like in your world pakistan is the center of universe. Everything happening in this universe has a pakistani connection. :laughcry:
     
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    Sorry not like any other country but something USA learned from Nazi. No country kills other for interests. Only phycopaths do that.
     
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