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SYLVER-A43 supports CAMM, Mica, Crotale and Aster-15.

Two sets of 8 VLS tubes: total 16 tubes.
In case of CAMM:
Each tube can carry four missile.
Therefore,
16X4 = 64 missiles in total per ship.

In case of Crotale, Aster-15 and Mica,
One missile per tube, totalling 16 missiles per ship.
Is Turkey working on an equivalent to the CAMM? A Turkish equivalent (perhaps based on the Hisar series of missiles) would keep the ship sanction proof, and be a missile system the PN could fit to its F-22P as part of a midlife refit.
 
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Is Turkey working on an equivalent to the CAMM?
Yes G-40 project is very similiar to CAMM-ER.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Institute Director Gürcan Okumuş gave important information about the air defense system studies for ships in an interview with MaviVatan.net. Some key parts from his statements:


"TÜBİTAK SAGE has primarily worked on a NASAMS-like system using GÖKDOĞAN and BOZDOĞAN missiles and made a larger engined version pre-designing to increase the range and altitude value.

"The missile we call G-40 is an air defense missile that uses GÖKDOĞAN technologies that can reach 40 km range and 40k feet altitude. Although this missile can be used as a land based medium altitude air defense missile, it also has an ESSM equivalent structure as a Ship Air Defense Missile."

"The idea of developing the G-40 missile with the Flexible Vertical laucnch System, which includes a kind of cold launch technology, in an integrated manner has started with the developments in this area. With the Flexible Vertical Firing System (EDAS/FVLS), the G-40 missile will provide safe use from ships and can be used in land-based systems too."

"TÜBİTAK SAGE is not only developing the cold vertical launch technology, but also a similar technology called soft vertical launch with some differences. Our aim here is to develop alternative launch methods. Hot launch technology already exists in the industry and we focused on developing a non-existent capability rather than a technology that has been developed as usual. We started by making predictions about what the present and future needs of the naval forces might be. We set out on what could be the alternative domestic counterparts of our naval close, medium range and high altitude air defense systems. If you ask why the cold launch, this system is a better tech that will keep our ships relatively safe. You not to ignite the engine in the ship and you prevent possible accidents. In addition, the system will take up less space and will be lighter. This means more missile load on our ships."

sources- https://mavivatan.net/tubitak-sage-...enin-devam-eden-projeleri-ve-gelecek-vizyonu/
https://www.defenceturk.net/tubitak-sageden-savas-gemileri-icin-hava-savunma-ailesi-plani

While there is an ADVENT solution for the need for an indigenous modern combat management system in Turkey, integration and test activities on radar projects such as ÇAFRAD and CENK-S continue. So the most critical system in Turkey's air defense system needs for ships are: missiles, launching techs and launcher systems suitable for these missiles, which all are expected to be put into use gradually in the near term.
 

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Is Turkey working on an equivalent to the CAMM? A Turkish equivalent (perhaps based on the Hisar series of missiles) would keep the ship sanction proof, and be a missile system the PN could fit to its F-22P as part of a midlife refit.
CAMM-ER is an Italian funded project, we have had Italian equiptment on our platforms for decades now. Its rather sanction proof.
 

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Yes G-40 project is very similiar to CAMM-ER.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Institute Director Gürcan Okumuş gave important information about the air defense system studies for ships in an interview with MaviVatan.net. Some key parts from his statements:


"TÜBİTAK SAGE has primarily worked on a NASAMS-like system using GÖKDOĞAN and BOZDOĞAN missiles and made a larger engined version pre-designing to increase the range and altitude value.

"The missile we call G-40 is an air defense missile that uses GÖKDOĞAN technologies that can reach 40 km range and 40k feet altitude. Although this missile can be used as a land based medium altitude air defense missile, it also has an ESSM equivalent structure as a Ship Air Defense Missile."

"The idea of developing the G-40 missile with the Flexible Vertical laucnch System, which includes a kind of cold launch technology, in an integrated manner has started with the developments in this area. With the Flexible Vertical Firing System (EDAS/FVLS), the G-40 missile will provide safe use from ships and can be used in land-based systems too."

"TÜBİTAK SAGE is not only developing the cold vertical launch technology, but also a similar technology called soft vertical launch with some differences. Our aim here is to develop alternative launch methods. Hot launch technology already exists in the industry and we focused on developing a non-existent capability rather than a technology that has been developed as usual. We started by making predictions about what the present and future needs of the naval forces might be. We set out on what could be the alternative domestic counterparts of our naval close, medium range and high altitude air defense systems. If you ask why the cold launch, this system is a better tech that will keep our ships relatively safe. You not to ignite the engine in the ship and you prevent possible accidents. In addition, the system will take up less space and will be lighter. This means more missile load on our ships."

sources- https://mavivatan.net/tubitak-sage-...enin-devam-eden-projeleri-ve-gelecek-vizyonu/
https://www.defenceturk.net/tubitak-sageden-savas-gemileri-icin-hava-savunma-ailesi-plani

While there is an ADVENT solution for the need for an indigenous modern combat management system in Turkey, integration and test activities on radar projects such as ÇAFRAD and CENK-S continue. So the most critical system in Turkey's air defense system needs for ships are: missiles, launching techs and launcher systems suitable for these missiles, which all are expected to be put into use gradually in the near term.

The G40 will likely always remain a concept. I think Roketsan has customized Hisar RF for the needs of the naval forces.

If you look at the diameter of the RF seeker coil in this photo, it looks very comfortable fit for the quadpack.


 

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In the PN MİLGEM Project, which includes the construction of a total of 4 corvettes to be shaped on the ADA Class Corvette design for the Pakistan Navy, two of the ships will be built at the Istanbul Shipyard Command and the other two at the Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) in Pakistan. The construction of 3 corvettes is currently underway and the first ship of the Project will be launched in July 2021 and delivered in Turkey in August 2023, and the construction of the 4th ship of the Project, which is expected to be delivered in Karachi in February 2025, will be completed in June 2021 by Karachi Shipyard and It is planned to start at the Engineering Factory. It was previously announced that there will be a number of differences in the design of the fourth of the PN-MİLGEM Corvettes. In this context, it was stated that Pakistani engineers and technicians who received on-the-job training during the construction of the first ship would gain the ability to make changes on the ADA Class Corvette design up to the fourth ship. With the PN-MİLGEM Project, Pakistan will gain the ability to design and build its own unique warship with the support of Turkish engineers. The new design ships that will be built as a continuation of the PN-MİLGEM Project are classified as JINNAH Class Frigates. The JINNAH Class Frigate concept, which is expected to be a joint design of Turkey and Pakistan, is expected to be introduced through the scale model to be exhibited at the IDEF '21 Fair, which will be held next August. When we examined the previously shared Computerized Images (CGI) of the PN MİLGEM Corvette, which will have a tonnage between the ADA Class of 2,400 tons and the STACK Class of 3,000 tons with a displacement of 2,926 tons, Leonardo (Oto Melara) product is right behind the 76mm Super Rapid head cannon HHQ-16 Medium Range Airborne. For the Defense Missile System, there was a 16-cell Vertical Firing System (VLS). HHQ-16/LY-80N, a medium-range, semi-active radar-guided air defense missile system produced by the Chinese China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp (CASC), is also used in Type 054A/P Frigates (which are under construction in China) for the Pakistan Navy. with 32-cell VLS). With a maximum range of 42km (the extended range version of the missile, the HHQ-16B, has a range of 70km), the HHQ-16 has a 70kg warhead and is claimed to be able to intercept at altitudes between 15m and 18km. One of the Type 345 (NATO code MR-90 Front Dome) Illumination Radars, which is part of the HHQ-16 Medium-Range Air Defense Missile System, was deployed just in front of the mast and the other just behind the chimney. With the preference of the MBDA product Albatros NG System, a different 16-cell VLS will be placed behind the bow gun for CAMM-ER/Albatros NG missiles. CAMM-ER/Albatros NG missiles, which have their own unique launch canister, can also be used as a 'quad-pack' (ability to place 4 missiles per cell) in Sylver, ExLS and Mk-41 VLS Systems. The CAMM-ER missile is basically a version of the CAMM missile with a booster (ejection motor) and the 3.2m long, 166mm diameter and 99kg CAMM missile has a range of 25km, while the 4.2m long, 190mm diameter and 160kg weight CAMM-ER has a maximum range of 45km+ The prevention altitude is estimated to be 10 km. Missiles have Active RF (radar) guidance and bidirectional data link, and they do not need target illumination radar (SMART-S Mk 2 3BAR data on the ship will be sufficient). Engagement information about the target (position, altitude, speed, etc.) can be transferred to the missile via the data link. As the need for illumination radar has been removed, Type 345 (NATO code MR-90 Front Dome) Illumination Radars, which were previously included in the PN MİLGEM Corvette drawings and were a part of the HHQ-16 Medium Range Air Defense Missile System, will be removed and two data link antennas will be installed on the ships. Thanks to the throw-and-forget-type CAMM-ER/Albatros NG NBAD System, PN MİLGEM Corvettes will be able to engage more air targets at the same time compared to the semi-active radar-guided HHQ-16 Medium-Range Air Defense Missile System and will be able to perform missions with a higher performance in the EH environment. . In MİLGEM-PN MİLGEM Class Corvettes, a total of 6 Harbah Anti-Ship and Land Attack Cruise Missiles (ASCM) are located at 90 degrees to each other, hidden behind the cover on the port and starboard sides (used to reduce the RKA/RCS value of the ship) in the pool section just behind the main mast. /LACM is estimated to be able to reach a range of 450km to 750km) or another missile system, whose name is still under development, and 2 Aselsan products 25mm Stabilized Gun (STOP/GUARDIAN) Systems (port and starboard sides) and the SKYDENİZ Close Air Defense System (CIWS) , its use is finalized) will be used. Main Propulsion System (ATS) to be used in PN MİLGEM Corvettes with a length of 108.2m, a width of 14.8m and a draft of 4.05m, LM2500 gas turbine and 4,300kW/5,766hp each.

Original Turkish link
https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/ic...albatros-ng-nbad-sistemi-ile-donatiliyor-4601

Link to MBDA's contract the article talks about
https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=19928
 

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Meanwhile, according to Turkish sources, Chinese missiles will not be used on board. Albatros NG is expected to be the first platform of Pakistan's ADA. It is stated that the fire control radars will also be removed.
Here is the link,
The deal has already been signed with a 'undisclosed customer'. Deliveries by 2024.
Excellent choice by Navy ...

@Bilal Khan (Quwa), it's Quad packed, right? 🤔
 
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