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  1. WAJsal

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    True. I remember they would bring the ice from NangaParbat to one of our village near Chilas, man we just had to put some sugar on it and it was better tham any golla ganda. Good memories.
     
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    Haha, glad to hear that.

    And can't wait for the detailed account.
     
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    OK guys so here it is, since this thread was meant to be an information sharing platform so other people can plan their visits AND to ask questions about your upcoming visits, i will try and share the whole account in a way where i keep info sharing a priority.
    @WAJsal @WebMaster @fatman17 @krash @Rashid Mahmood

    TRIP TO FAIRY MEADOWS
    First thing first, we traveled with a tour organizer however that is absolutely not necessary. We decided this as we had a group of 9 friends and sometimes it gets a bit hectic to manage them all (since it will be one or two guys doing it). We calculated the budget for the trip earlier, it was coming out at around 18500 Rs/head (four days trip - ALL included). The organizer offered the same so we decided to try. Overall, it was a good experience. I share all this to inform that you can plan a trip by yourself as well, our plan was to rent a hiace as all of wanted to travel together, keep some cooking and BBQ equipment with us. It is all very feasible and do-able and if that is what you prefer, go for it.

    Back to the trip. So we left Lahore at around 11 pm on Wednesday night. Traveled via GT road as we had to pick someone up on the way but i will recommend you to travel via motorway as it is more comfortable. Via motorway it will take you some 3.5-4 hrs to Islamabad-Peshawar intersection. Below is the rough time chart/plan that can help you people:

    DAY 1
    Time Table (Lahore to Jaglot)

    Departure Lahore 11 pm
    Islamabad-Peshawar intersection motorway 3am
    From there to Havalian, 40min. You will be there by 4am max
    Abbotabat, another 40 min, we will make it 4.45am
    Abbotabad to Balakot - by 6am
    From Balakot to Naran you must keep 4 hours as it is likely that you will be taking some stops. Following this chart you can be in Naran around 9-10am
    Naran to Babusar (2hours), with stop over you can reach Babusar at around 1 pm
    Babusar to Chilas (2hours), again, you will be stopping on your way DOWN to Chilas so i will make it 4 pm
    Chilas to Raikot-Jaglot (2 -2.30 hrs), you can reach Jaglot by around 7-8pm (we were there at around 7.45)

    Journey details

    It is recommended you that leave Lahore around 11pm as it will give you a night time rush free drive and more importantly, following the above table you can cross abbotabad at around 5.30 - 6am in morning (that is BEFORE rush hours). If you get stuck in Abbotabad it can easily consume 2 hours + of you time on a 7 - 8 km stretch of road.
    There are some good road side restaurants in Balakot with a nice view of Kunhar, stop at one for early morning breakfast. DO NOT plan to delay it to Kawai or Naran.
    DO NOT STOP IN KAWAI, the place you are heading to is WAY MORE beautiful so not spend/waste time here on this trip.
    You will be in Naran at around 9-10am and if you choose the by-pass, park the car near PTDC resturants, it will be just 3 min walk to Naran bazar and you have avoided getting stuck in traffic. Can visit Naran bazar if you have to pick up some necessary food items or anything like that. Dry fruits, snacks, juices may be? But don't carry TOO MUCH LOAD however if possible, it is recommend you do get something to have for lunch later on. I prefer the Chappli Kabab and Naan packed together. You can eat it on your way to Babusar or at Babusar. AGAIN, IT IS RECOMMENDED AND YOU WILL SOON SEE WHY.

    From Naran to Babusar its a 2 hours drive on an EXCELLENT ROAD (same as the one you will be traveling on since you left Lahore). However there are some excellent sights you may want to take in. Batakundi, Burawai offer some stunning views of CLAM Kunhar River.
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    You can still get to Babusar by around 1pm easy.
    From Babusar Top, you start your downwards journey towards Chilas. Again, a 2 hours drive on an absolutely excellent road, but adding a 15min stop over in Babusar and another 15-20 min on your way down to give your car breaks a rest and to enjoy a beautiful stream of clean clear water.
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    You have to stop here to give your car some much needed rest (brakes especially since you are descending all the way down to Chilas) plus this is the last bit of good weather you will have for the rest of the day. Do not miss this. You can easily make it to Chilas at around 3.30-4pm and it is like HELL. It will be scorching hot (unless there are some clouds and rain) and it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that you do not try to enter the town as you may get stuck in traffic. There is nothing much to do here except the fact that by now, you are over due with your Lunch. Now that is why i suggested getting some Chapli Kababs from Naran and eat on the way. You cannot skip Chilas if you have to eat and it is recommended to get out of here soon as it is hot and not much lively. If you have eaten anything from Naran or Babusar, just do not enter town and keep driving on KKH.

    From Chilas to Raikot Bridge it takes about 2 hours and you get to drive with the MIGHT INDUS Flowing on your left side. It is a sight to behold, especially, if like you you get that dry barren giant mountains trigger a a feeling of diminutiveness in you. These mountains are a bit terrifying in a way, huge, dry, barren, with a monster of a river flowing at their foot, the rocks and sedimentation at the river banks gives the whole area a sense of grandeur and you get to know how insignificant you really are in the grand scheme of things.
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    From Chilas it will take about 2 hours to get to Raikot bridge. There is just one nice hotel choice in this area so if you can get a room there and PREFER to not travel any further, stay. However i will suggest that you cross Indus at Raikot, travel towards Jaglot. It is just about 20-25min drive. The road is excellent and you get to a less expensive and extremely nice hotel with SENSATIONAL view of the great Nanga Parbat or as they call it, the KILLER MOUNTAIN (Well it can really kill with its views and sheer beauty if you ask me).
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    The hotel is exceptional really, quite, calm, clean and the food is great. You will need a good nights rest after 20 odd ours of journey and what is coming up tomorrow.

    Continued . . .
     
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    DAY-2
    Try and get up early in the morning. Around 5-6am in morning. The breakfast again is great at the hotel, keep it light and try and get to move by around 8am. Fancy a little side tour and take a drive further up north, 10-12 min drive and you come up to "Junction Point" in Jaglot. The point where worlds three highest mountain ranges meet, Himalaya, Karakorum and Hindukush. A place to make you proud of being a Pakistani.

    Do this if you managed to wake up early, it will take just 20-25 min to go there and be back. If you can leave Jaglot by 8:30-9 you are FINE! It just takes 20-25min to get back to Raikot from where you can begin you journey to Fairy Meadows.

    Time Table (Jaglot to Fairy Meadow)
    Departure for Raikot 8:30am
    Raitkot 9:00 am
    Jeep Track from Raikot to Jeep Point/Fairy Point (1.5 - 2hours). Adding half hour more for any cross overs etc and you can get to Fairy Point by 11:30.
    Trekking to Fairy Meadow; depends on the person really. Can take from 2:30 hours to 4-5 hours even. Normally it is considered a 3 hours track for an average guy (not an athlete, not regular at exercise and with limited trekking exp) For our schedual, we will consider it a 3 hours track. Starting at 11:30 you can be at Fairy Meadows by 2:30 - 3pm.

    Journey details
    The jeep track from Raikot to Jeep point/Fairy Point is quite an experience. Narrow bumpy track with hundred of feet deep sheer drop on one side and hundreds of feet high dry mountain on the other, its a ride to remember. You look it up on google and there are many sources that will say it to be EXTREMELY dangerous, some calling it worlds second most deadliest and dangerous road. Its not saying its walk in the park really, sure is dangerous but not DEADLY DANGEROUS and you will survive InshAllah. If you have traveled to Siri Paye, you will notice that the only thing that makes it more frightening is that in siri paye you cannot see the bottom of the valley with all the forestation and stuff, plus they make you feel somewhat protected. Well, this one is barren and you get to see all the way down, some 1200-1500 feet down that is. Plus unlike Siri Paye, this track is all rocks so quite bumpy. Just pray it do not rains.

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    The track can be seen as the thin line on the right mountains.
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    All rocks so quite bumpy but the drivers are experts really.

    If all goes according to plan you will be at Jeep Point/Fairy Point (there is a small stream between these two but these are just 5 min apart) by 11:00 - 11:30pm

    From here the trekking to Fairy Meadows begin. Now here is the most valuable information. The first bit of track is the difficult part really. The path is narrow and you are going up, height making it difficult to breath so you will find yourself out of breath if you do not plan this part carefully with slow, small steps and breathing through nose.
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    First 40 minutes or so
    If the tack is 3 hours, it is the firth half hour that will really knock you down, may force you to hire a horse for 3000 Rs and you will regret doing it for the next one and a half hour (that part after the starting half hour is really nothing). You are not climbing up really, the track is very wide and you reach the forested area so it is cooler and nicer. If you had managed that first thirty to forty minutes, you will be refreshed in this part. If you had hired a horse, you will be regretting it now!!
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    The Easy Bit - Walking
    This is until you are 2 hours into your trekking. The last hour again is a difficult in a sense that you are climbing up the mountain on a relatively narrow track. Its scary as hell if you are riding! :lol:
    Anyway, it is not very technical and most of us can make it. Wont be a big problem. The key suggestion here is that you try and make it thought the first half hour or so. That is the difficult part and once you do that the next hour and a half will give you enough energy do do the last stretch.

    Anyway, 3 hours from Fairy point trekking on a path that can be divide as:

    Total Time: 3 Hours
    1. First 45 Minutes: Moderately Difficult with track gaining height, being narrow and all this being start of journey
    2. Next One and a Half Hour: Beautiful, rewarding and refreshing with very slight climb, wide path/track in the cool forest.
    3. Last one Hour: Difficult, climbing up a mountain, narrow.
    THIS is where you reach!
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    The Camp Site at Fairy Meadows is pretty nice and clean with exceptional view of Nanga Parbat. 10 min walk from there and you are in the actual Fairy Meadows.
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    The view is stunning, the reflection lake (which really is a pond) offers great view and photography opportunity. The stream to the pond is unbelievable clear, cold and refreshing.

    AND, you are looking at NANGA PARBAT!! What else you can ask for from a four day trip? ITS THE NINTH HIGHEST MOUNTAIN IN THE WORLD!! :yahoo:
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    Will update a link for more pictures later.

    DAY-3

    Spend some time at fairy meadows. You can also go further up to Beyal Camp in about two hours of fairly easy trekking and from there to View Point in about another 40minutes. The views are stunning. It is suggested that you wake up early, around 6, 7am max and go up to View Point. It will take around 5 hours to 6 hours for a round trip. You can also decide to hire a horse for this route and can be back in 3 to 4 hours plus half and hour or one our at the point. However it is suggested that you move so that you are back in Fairy Meadows maximum by 2:00 pm to begin return journey

    NOTE: This is a four day trip. If you have a spare day, just stay at view point for some more time, may be even try and get to base camp.

    If you begin your journey at 2:00 pm you will be down by 6pm. Stay either in Jalgot or Chilas (going to Naran might be difficult as that road is not allowed to travel on after 6pm). If you plan to get back to Naran, it is suggested that you leave Fairy Meadows by 10:00 Am. Get to Raitkot by 2:30PM, Chilas by 4:30 pm and then to Babusar by 6:30 and Naran by 9:00 pm.

    DAY-4

    To cut long story short, it will take you around 10 to 12 hours to reach Lahore from Naran. Now if you want to send some time in Naran, do it on you journey back (Not when you were going to Fairy Meadows) You can easily leave Naran after Lunch and still get back to Lahore by mid night. We left early so we can get back to home in time, take some rest and freshen up for the next days work.


    Expenses:
    Here is a rough cost idea for 8-10 person group.
    Hiace rent for four days 30000Rs (Very Comfortable Option)
    Fuel Charges 30000Rs approximate
    First night hotel in Jaglot (Good Hotel) - 2 rooms with 3 bed and one mattress each. 3500 x 2 = 7000
    Jeep to Fairy Point (Return Journey) 3000Rs x 2 Jeepts = 6000Rs
    Camping at Fairy Meadows - (Camps-You have to stay in camp in Fairy Meadow) Tent with sleeping bags, ground cover, etc - 3 person per camp - 2000 x 3 = 6000RS
    Third Night Hotel in Naran (Fair Hotel) - 2 Rooms 5500Rs x 2 = 11000Rs
    Total = 92000

    Food
    Breakfast 8 x 300 = 3200Rs
    Lunch 8 x 750 = 6000
    Dinner 8 x 750 = 6000
    Total = 15200
    Total Food = 4 days x 15200 =60800

    GRAND TOTAL = 92000+60800 = 152800

    Dividing on 8 or 9 people it is 17000 to 19000 Rs per head.

    @Slav Defence @waz @Irfan Baloch @fatman17 @I.R.A
     
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    Very nice and inviting. Roughly 20K included everything including food etc. No hidden costs?
     
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    Noting Sir!
    We friends planned it our self initially and it was 18500 Rs. Organizer took the same amount. ALL INCLUDED.

    Here are the details for a 8-10 person group.
    Hiace rent for four days 30000Rs
    Fuel Charges 30000Rs approximate
    First night hotel in Jaglot - 2 rooms with 3 bed and one mattress each. 3500 x 2 = 7000
    Jeep to Fairy Point (Return Journey) 3000Rs x 2 Jeepts = 6000Rs
    Camping at Fairy Meadows - Tent with sleeping bags, ground cover, etc - 3 person per camp - 2000 x 3 = 6000RS
    Third Night Hotel in Naran - 2 Rooms 5500Rs x 2 = 11000Rs
    Total = 92000

    Food
    Breakfast 8 x 300 = 3200Rs
    Lunch 8 x 750 = 6000
    Dinner 8 x 750 = 6000
    Total = 15200
    Total Food = 4 days x 15200 =60800

    GRAND TOTAL = 92000+60800 = 152800

    Dividing on 8 or 9 people it is 17000 to 19000 Rs per head.

    PLUS, there is no way the food is going to cost you as much as i have included in this list. Our whole day expense for food never crossed 8000-9000 Rs (and we all love to eat). The reason is that when you have planned a trip like this one, you are always on the move and the focus shifts from food. But you can keep this money there and use it for other expenses on tea coffee snacks etc!!

    About expense, it really depends on who you are traveling with and your preferences. Last April i was with wife, we went ONLY up to Kaghan (covering Shogran and Siri Paye) and the costs for us two people was MORE than what it cost us 8 friends to go and visit Fairy Meadows for 4 days trip :lol:
    Priorities change when traveling with friends really.

    NOTE: have updated the estimated expenses in the above post as well.
     
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    can you provide name of the operator?
     
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    Well we traveled on bike,all these areas starting from gujranwala to murree,natia gali,abbotabad,so on naran kagan,babusar,chillas,gilgit,hunza,sost,khunjrab,then naltar valley ,then skardu,deosai,astore,just returned last week.
    HELL of ADVENTURE
    we had our own tents,brbq stuff we cooked our food....n jungle pani

    no need to hire any jeep.only advice.one bike one rider chahy 70cc bike kiyn na ho.
    in these areas only honda mechanic n spares.so no tension.only tyre panchar ka saman rakho.....me n my friends use 150cc bikes so we took spares also.

    no extras cloths take just parachute jackets n trousers. B612_20180624_153815_073.jpg View attachment 487198 IMG20180620185336-1.jpg IMG-20180629-WA0085.jpg IMG-20180629-WA0040.jpg

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    @Arsalan brilliantly done, my man. Not just the trip but your posts detailing it as well. Should the Hunzais now be expecting you next year?

    Haha, I haven't met a single person who's seen this place and not said the exact same thing. And this feeling never leaves you either.

    BTW, how hot was it? Did you get a temp reading? Last Sept, it was -5 C and snowing in Khunjerab, drove back to Karimabad, slept the night and then reached this stretch at around 4pm. The temp was 40C.

    You can actually manage it in less than 15k as well. I would not ever recommend it though, not if you can spare more.
     
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    Well just tried to motivate others to go and visit the place and sharing as much info as possible to make their trip easy. :)
    Next year, it most probably will be Deosai Plains! Most likely a similar 4-5 days single destination trip. Between that and now there may well be one with the family, to a much closer location. May go up to Babusar may be or perhaps the Swat side. Not sure yet.

    Yeah and that really is true. I mean, green forested mountains are full of life. The ones after Chilas are barren and just a bit enormous. The feeling is surely here to stay, if someone is a keen observer, it might change him a bit as well. Asaaab p hawi ho jati hein!!

    HOT!!
    On our way to Jalgot we passed Chilas around 4:00 - 4:30pm, it was OKish. 34-36 C.
    On way back, we were there around 3:00 -4:00pm, it was HELL!! 40+

    Wont recommend staying night in Chilas. Jalgot is much better esp at night and offers some stunning view of Nang Parbat early morning. The junction point is also something one can visit. All plus, no down side really.

    With ease! However will have to make compromise on some things like hotel rooms, person per room, may be a bit on food as well. However one will still enjoy it and make it. 18k - 20k will actually give you a pretty decent experience.

    Sure, will PM.

    ANYONE ELSE WHO NEEDS NAME OF TRAVEL OPERATOR CAN LET ME KNOW IN PM. If you are going to plan the trip yourself, can share numbers of hotel etc too (PM as i cannot advertise them on forum).


    How many days you took to cover it all?
    Thank you for sharing the details (like bike recommendation, mechanics, parts etc). That was helpful. Can you also share road condition with all our members too? Also may be a detail time chart of the travel?

    Like breaking the journey in days??? How much time it took you to get to muree, how long you stay there, how much time to Abbotabad? How long you stayed there? All this will really help anyone who is planning a similar journey on this route.
     
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    When we go we have to stay in a village 20-30 km's from Chilas and it's like hell really, the shops are closed after 12 pm till like 5 or 6, as you walk towards the mountains they seem to be moving away from you, the terrain makes you dizzy and at peak times you'll feel like you are hallucinating, not kidding.
    Jaglot river is really nice man.
    Been there done that. :coffee:
     
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    Great ........ thanks for sharing the info.


    Yeh kaun say mulk ka hisab hy? :D
     
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    Why would you do that? Staying there?? You can easily go toward Raitkot or Jaglot or even further? Whats the catch?

    As for hallucinations, 100% agreed! That is EXACTLY the kind of terrain it is!

    hahaha
    Sorry bro, it was 400 x 8 :)
    400 put here because it will cover your morning breakfast plus an evening tea as well.
     
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    sorry late reply.well there is two things
    1.do u want adventure
    2.r do u.want to enjoy landscape
    we were on road for 13 days.bikers should travel daily atleast 6 hoursdaily,should start ur travel early in the morning.dnt drive in heavy rain.
    bro its diffcult for to tell u time wise.
    well our first stop was before on murree road for refuling.we took snacks from their shops then we stoped at nathia gali for lunch.stayed 1 hour.then again on bikes.we drive 2 hour constantly then tea break.
    at 11 we were at balakot.
    TIP:FIRST DAY ON bike.u should travel more.banday first r last day hemat marta hain.

    if ur going on bikes n rule is:one bike one rider rule....tu mera bhai roads are no issue.har tarhan ki terrain ho no.problem.
    my personal.advice take honda 125 due to spares n mechanic.use extra beam lights.
    we had a rule nobody will.go.beyound 80km speed.n we travel in a line
    most experienced biker will.be the.front man n most experienced technician type friend.who have tool kit n pencture stuff will be in the last.
    har bike 20 meter ka falsa rakhay ge dosrie bike.sa.
    agar kisi ko.masla ho tu full haran bajao so this way we signal each other ka rukho bhai.pechay issue.ban gya hai.bcz har jaga mobile signals nai.hota.
    its all about discipline

    our rides was suzuki 150cc har tarhan ka track ka liya ya best bike hai...but spares gilgit ka bad nai miltay...soapna sath la jao...tu is sa achi bike pakistan.ma.nai filhal jo reasonable price ma har trhn ki.comfort r power full engine ga.honda cbf 150 n others are no.match of it.
    last TIP:GROUP CHOTA RAKHO R IMATURE DOSTOUN KO.MAT LA KAR JAO.THEY WILL CAUSE YOU ALOT OF TROUBLE.like accident.de

    decisions latay ho.
    i will post my video soon.
    bike trip is more easy then on cars.bus hemat ho r discipline.
    ap hr jaga ja sakat ho.we are leaving for chitral on this eid....NEXT YEAR in summers
    IA....I AM LEAVING FOR IRAN OR CHINA on my 150 suzuki. IA
     
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    bro a tent for 2 people cost u 1300 rupees only.take carpet lining for tents floor.