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  1. Norwegian

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    The two countries, both with majority Sunni Muslim populations, are bound together by shared Islamic religious ties. PHOTO: REUTERS

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    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have long enjoyed close relations, but Islamabad’s new-found resolve for fighting the root causes of extremism has seen the Gulf state come in for rare criticism.

    The two countries, both with majority Sunni Muslim populations, are bound together by shared Islamic religious ties, financial aid from oil-rich Saudi and Pakistan military assistance to the kingdom.

    But a Taliban massacre at a school that killed more than 150 people in December, mostly children, has led the government to crack down on militants and talk of bringing religious seminaries under tighter control.

    Now the country’s media and even government ministers have begun to question whether support from Saudi Arabia for seminaries, known as madrassas, is fuelling violent extremism – bringing tension to the relationship for the first time.

    Last week the Saudi embassy issued a statement saying that all its donations to seminaries had government clearance, after a minister accused the Riyadh government of creating instability across the Muslim world.

    The Pakistani foreign ministry responded by saying that funding by private individuals through “informal channels” would also be scrutinised closely to try to choke off funding for terror groups.

    While the statement avoided mentioning Saudi Arabia specifically, it was widely interpreted as a rebuke.

    Away from the seminaries, there has also been widespread criticism of the decision to allow Saudi royals to hunt the rare houbara bustard, prized in the Middle East for its supposed aphrodisiac properties, in the southern provinces of Sindh and Baluchistan.

    Officials granted permission to hunt the bird, which is on the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s “red list” of threatened species, in defiance of a court order, prompting allegations that the government prized its lucrative ties to Riyadh over its own wildlife.

    Badar Alam, editor of Herald magazine, said the recent wave of criticism was unprecedented.

    “Saudi has vast commercial and economic interests in Pakistan. There are open questions being asked on this relationship,” he said.

    “Before, nobody would ask any questions in any manner. Now even the Urdu press is asking questions.”

    Donors in Saudi Arabia have long been accused of quietly funding terror groups sympathetic to the kingdom’s hardline version of Sunni Islam.

    Leaked diplomatic cables by then-US secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009 said Saudi Arabian donors were “the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide”.

    The cable cited the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Pakistan’s Sunni Muslim sectarian militants Lashkar-e-Jhangvi as examples of where funds were being channelled.

    Linked to the funding is Saudi Arabia’s long geostrategic struggle with Iran, the key Shia Muslim power in the region.

    Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s current prime minister, enjoys particularly close ties with the Saudi royal family, which hosted him during his almost decade-long exile from Pakistan following his ouster by then military ruler Pevez Musharraf.

    And last year the government said it had received a $1.5 billion “gift” from a friendly Muslim nation, widely thought by experts to be in fact a loan from Saudi Arabia.

    But Najmuddin Sheikh, a former foreign secretary and ambassador, said the December attack on an army school in Peshawar, which left 153 people dead including 134 children, had opened the door for criticism.

    “This has been triggered by Peshawar and a strong feeling that much of the terrorism that is here is being financed by outside countries,” he said.

    “Countries like Kuwait, UAE and Qatar must also do much more at home to curtail this.”

    But, he added, any efforts to cut back on foreign funding for extremist seminaries must go hand in hand with similar efforts at home.

    He said this would include the state dropping its links with proxy groups that have historically been used by the military establishment to further strategic goals in Afghanistan and Indian-administered Kashmir.

    “Our fund collection within Pakistan remains unimpeded. If you want more from abroad you need to do more at home,” he said.

    A senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, agreed.

    “We didn’t need the Saudis to radicalise us, we have geared ourselves to that,” he said.

    And while the current mood may be critical of Riyadh, the official said in the long run the relationship was too important and too beneficial to jeopardise.

    “There is no change in policy. Both the Sharif government and the military are very much on board with Saudis. Actual policy is not likely to change,” he said.
    Pakistan terror wave sparks rare criticism of Saudi Arabia – The Express Tribune

    Thank God, this "criticism" of "untouchable" Saudi Arabia was long overdue. Now I am pretty sure Pakistan won't be providing Saudis with nukes (as part of their holy deal) in case Iran acquires them first! :D

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    SAudi money continues to reach the LEJ and Jundullah. LEJ leaders themselves have admitted to this monumental fact. Saudi promotes terrorism elsewhere while at home it is extremely orthodox laws. I think this criticism is for once good.
     
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    Too little too late. Why didn't they seriously address this issue in the past 15 years??
     
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    Because 9/11 style terror didn't strike Pakistani soil until 16.12.2014! Our leadership thought Islamic terror was something reserved for Kuffar and Infidel lands, while we being a Muslim majority country were immune to this kind of radicalism.
     
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    Good start.. at-last some section within Pak has started calling spade a spade without succumbing to emotional & religious blackmailing. Keep up the good work & face up to the realities! End result may not be all that bad..
     
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    Saudi sponsors terrorism against Shias. It is a common fact that these nobles enjoy immunity because they live in a place which is dearest to the Muslims!
     
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    Shhh! Speaking too much obvious truth is bad for your health! :D
     
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    There is no free lunch, you knew exactly what you were getting from Saudis,you wanted Money from them.The Saudis knew exactly what they wanted to do in Pakistan with their Money,that is spreading of Wahabi Ideology.Pakistan is neck deep in it,they cannot go back now, Neither will there be Government control of Madarassas funded by Middle eastern nations.
    The aftermath of Peshawar is because, Kids belonging to Army men and officers kids were killed not some poor mans kids,as long as Poor mans dies Army won't care,they will keep playing "Good Taliban,Bad Taliban".
    Only when they were directly affected,did they gather resolve to do Zarb-e-Arb(that too is not sure how successful it was).

    One Lal Masjid which was small when compared to Zarb-e-Arb, created TTP and many splinter groups,think how many groups will be formed after this Zarb-e-Arb operation is over,the militants will bide time till the heat passes, then they will emerge out of the woodwork.

    It's upto Pakistan to decide what is a bigger priority first,
    1)Finish the border dispute with India recognize Loc as International Border and have a chance of setting their house in order and live in peace,looking after the welfare of its citizens.
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    2)Continue waging proxy war in India, while suffering setbacks at home from TTP and god knows which other groups in future with the risk of destabilizing its state and lose grip over its provinces.
    Their choice.
     
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    Until our leaders lose one of their own in a terrorist attack or suffer financial losses (they love money so much) they will never share in the pain and suffering of the common Pakistani.

    Despite the slaughter of the school children Saudi funding will continue and wealthy Arab sheikhs and princes will continue to be allowed to hunt Pakistani bird species to extinction and our leaders will continue to serve them.

    Only a revolution will change the status quo.
     
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    Pakistanis are not revolutionaries. Look how well they responded to calls of revolution from Imran Khan and Qadri!
     
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    Pakistan is a country with no leader .... a leader who put Pakistan first ... than everything ... that is why we been bullied by everyone , there are no strict laws against treason or traitors , that is why so many Pakistani's are ready to sell their Iman for some dollars ... all they care is to get USA or UK passport and shift their families there , and than get busy in looting Pakistan ..
    there is not a single country in this world who is running on Sharia law , but those Taliban are fighting in Pakistan .. why ? UAE , Qatar , Kuwait , Oman people go there to have fun and enjoy the prostitution .. but the problem , leaving the arab land aside , all Asshoels just want Pakistan to have Sharia law ... this argument of the mullah type Chutiyas is so lame ...
    hope Pakistan now learn its lesson , because if not , than wait till another 71 like situation happen .
     
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    US didn't know the real Saudi terrorism? How come there are no single drones striking on Saudi soil?
     
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    How come LOC got involved here? :D We are talking about Saudis not Indians!

    Hint = OIL :D
     
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    After more than 50,000 have lost their life regardless of the sect, finally some criticism. Am sure funding will continue but masters will be unhappy from now on.
     
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    Well, as they say, leaders are the reflection of their people. If the people don't want to rise up against puppet politicians then that can only mean the people are happy with such leaders because in these leaders they see their own mentality.
     
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    I wished Jinnah had called for Saudi-based Shariah Law in Pakistan, but thank God he didn't!